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TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
March 20 2013 23:56 GMT
#1881
@Vivax, hold up. I'm dealing with the 'flavor of the day' issues at the moment!
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 20 2013 23:57 GMT
#1882
On March 21 2013 08:37 Vivax wrote:
Don't think TestSubject is scum, I like his early contributions. But I agree that the read isn't too reliable cause I have to go with so few, that only means that he has just commited himself to posting more in the future.

Please stop spamming the thread and put huge quotes in spoilers thanks. You doing conversation like that only makes you both look like idiots and doesn't get anyone lynched.
/moderation

While I think VE is 3p by now I think we should try to hit scum today, but w/e


So what you're saying is you think TestSubject is town but don't trust your reads. COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS...

And now multiple times you've asked people to stop spamming, something you are especially guilty of...

And then you say you're indifferent about lynching VE EVEN THOUGH YOU FEEL HE ISN'T SCUM.

This post alone is scummy as fuck.



And I'm ignoring for the moment the wild association-based theories you tend to like to spam...

So here's the TL;DR: Push a fucking case and stop being a hypotwit.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 20 2013 23:59 GMT
#1883
On March 21 2013 08:56 glurio wrote:
Ok i'll go with my gut feel and vote for Mocsta.

I thought about the VE 3rd party situation and i can't convince myself he's scum.
In my eyes most likely "the Mirror" is a scum mason and his line (3rd party join my cult and i'll get stronger) is just some well thought out scam to confuse town.
No clue why he accepted the claim, that is the part that does not make sense,

His vet claim seems legit, since (setup speculation) scum has most likely 2 KP with this many players and no one else claimed getting hit. (or saved, or jailed, or blocked)

Since lynch time is really terrible for europeans (4 AM i think), i'll vote for mocsta and go to sleep.

##Vote: Mocsta

Go on. lets hear some legitimate reasons for my vote Glurio

All your points raised before, you already excused as I was busy.

So enlighten me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22168 Posts
March 21 2013 00:00 GMT
#1884
Glurio VE is a confirmed liar. I have shown that his timestamps weren't from the last night like he claimed, and he stopped posting since then. You not reading the thread is concerning.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 00:01 GMT
#1885
On March 21 2013 08:56 glurio wrote:
Ok i'll go with my gut feel and vote for Mocsta.

I thought about the VE 3rd party situation and i can't convince myself he's scum.
In my eyes most likely "the Mirror" is a scum mason and his line (3rd party join my cult and i'll get stronger) is just some well thought out scam to confuse town.
No clue why he accepted the claim, that is the part that does not make sense,

His vet claim seems legit, since (setup speculation) scum has most likely 2 KP with this many players and no one else claimed getting hit. (or saved, or jailed, or blocked)

Since lynch time is really terrible for europeans (4 AM i think), i'll vote for mocsta and go to sleep.

##Vote: Mocsta

I honestly don't think there's any point in entertaining this.
All he has done this game is throw out one case/accusation per day then disappears for 24 hours.
Where are our fucking vigs....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 21 2013 00:02 GMT
#1886
Hmm it looks like Wave gets a pass for a cycle. If we're both around after tonight, then I'll reevaluate.

I have no clue what VE is doing. The part that doesn't match up with the thought process of a town player is that if VE was truly trying to out the mirror's identity to the thread, he wouldn't immediately break off contact. What's the point of "fake" joining to learn the mirrors identity, if you stop talking to him the moment you try to gain his trust.

I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 00:03 GMT
#1887
I'm not a confirmed liar - anyone accusing me of such is actually accusing me of being a "confirmed truth-teller" because they're referencing something in my mason logs that I said. I have lied to no one in the thread. Ever.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 21 2013 00:03 GMT
#1888
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 21 2013 08:54 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:44 DoYouHas wrote:
On March 21 2013 07:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
I want to apologize for my inactivity. Since I was last active I was shortly in the hospital and had to unexpectedly drive my sister across the state. I've got some things to say after my 30-page-read-a-thon.



1. So like 30 bajillion people claimed. WoS did so in just about the scummiest way possible and if he is town needs to think a little bit before acting that way next time. It seems to me we have no choice but to believe him for now, but if a scum were going to fake claim to save themselves WoS's claim is about as good as it gets for scum.



2. VE was on the scum list for me before any of this stuff went down, but something about his interactions with "The Mirror" just doesn't add up. I think the most likely scenario if that he is some form of anti-town and we've caught him in a lie. No matter what's actually going on, I don't think we have much choice but to kill him today.

##Vote: VisceraEyes



3. I find the fact that my inactivity caused BH to be less suspicious of me a huge scum tell for him. All game long I was in his top 2 for scum and then all of the sudden the time comes that he has to justify his reasoning and I'm no longer there. Its clear that he chose his targets before he came up with his reasoning and this makes no sense as town. BH is scum. Town BH is too talented to peg someone as scum for disagreeing with them on a single point during day 1.

I'm sure BH will rebut this point by pointing out how he's listed me since then and tell us all about how my inactivity is scummy, but none of those are excuses for having me in his top 2 scum all of D1 without being able to back it up. If he were a sincere town player he'd have been able to make a case on me to back those feelings up from D1 alone, but he couldn't even muster a paragraph.


1. - WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible. 2 sentences later, it is about as good as it gets for scum. Either we have two very different interpretations as to what those things mean, or you just said that WoS's claim is both very bad and very good, barely a breath apart. Not to mention the ridiculously begrudging language you are using to describe believing the claim. Strike 1.

Apparently my wording is unclear. "WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible." and "as good as it gets for scum." both mean the same thing to me. WoS's claim was summy. I use begrudging language, because it reflects my begrudging acceptance.... I'm not sure any of this counts against me in any way....

Show nested quote +
2. - VE was on the scum list? Go into that more please. What originally caught your eye about VE? Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day?

You seem to agree with me about 'The Mirror' not adding up. Why would you state your 'most likely' scenario without even referring to the extended conversation VE and I just had about possible explanations. Again you use the phrase 'no choice' as if you want no part in the blame for the VE lynch if it happens. YOU THINK that the most likely scenario has VE as an anti-town role, YOU cast your vote. Justify it, explain your logic, lead us in your thinking. If you have a most likely scenario, that means you considered less likely scenarios. What were they? by what criteria did you dismiss them? Strike 2.


I talk about this a here:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote:
VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true.


It took him 40 pages to respond to DP's repeated questioning about that post and his logic has been inconsistent throughout the game.

Show nested quote +
3. - You have a huge scum tell on BH, this scum tell is that he hasn't been consistently referring to you in his top scum reads while you essentially haven't been playing the game. This is your only reasoning. This isn't a case, this doesn't convince anyone you are right that are not already thinking BH is scum. You want to take the firm stance on BH, but you don't want to do the work, that is scummy. Strike 3.


No, the post I reference happened during night one. I had not been inactive very long at that point. And even if I had, my point still stands. He had me as his top read day 1 and can't justify it.


Ok, so I am guilty of the lazy case making in this instance (which by extension I can't get butt hurt about Coag's comment). However, I very much would like you to answer my questions and explain yourself on each of your sections much more thoroughly. Show me just how wrong I am.
Guts? Determination? $5?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 00:03 GMT
#1889
On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Hmm it looks like Wave gets a pass for a cycle. If we're both around after tonight, then I'll reevaluate.

I have no clue what VE is doing. The part that doesn't match up with the thought process of a town player is that if VE was truly trying to out the mirror's identity to the thread, he wouldn't immediately break off contact. What's the point of "fake" joining to learn the mirrors identity, if you stop talking to him the moment you try to gain his trust.

I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment.

Oh don't worry kita, I won't be. Thanks for the help with that. *glare*
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 00:04 GMT
#1890
Wiggles case makes itself Kita, help me lynch Wiggles.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 21 2013 00:05 GMT
#1891
seems like half this thread is people trying to get each other lynched off of grudges.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 00:06 GMT
#1892
On March 21 2013 09:05 Ace wrote:
seems like half this thread is people trying to get each other lynched off of grudges.

This is very very common in games these days sir.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 00:07 GMT
#1893
Hey so now that lurkers are quietly making their way into the thread for 2 posts before they all disappear again, maybe we can get some decent reads out of the people who otherwise feel they don't have to contribute and still feel they should be viewed as town.
Kita, fuck re-evaluating, I viewed you as town after your case last night. What are your thoughts on being wrong?

Seriously though, will you be voting to eliminate possible 3rd party tonight or scum (ie Wriggles) and why?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 00:08 GMT
#1894
On March 21 2013 09:05 Ace wrote:
seems like half this thread is people trying to get each other lynched off of grudges.


I wouldnt mind lynching you
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 00:10 GMT
#1895
And where the fuck is TPS. I hate the fact that I found out he's town, I almost want to lynch him for his uselessness anyway.

GK, thought re: questions I asked kita?
Sciberbia what about you?
How in the FUCK is town supposed to win this game when nobody DOES anything.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 21 2013 00:12 GMT
#1896
On March 21 2013 09:00 Vivax wrote:
Glurio VE is a confirmed liar. I have shown that his timestamps weren't from the last night like he claimed, and he stopped posting since then. You not reading the thread is concerning.


I give you the timestamps of the first three posts in the log. All of which happen the last night. You used the last 2 timestamps.
3 The Mirror 03-19-2013 11:52 PM ET (US)

2 VisceraEyes 03-19-2013 08:23 PM ET (US)

1 VisceraEyes 03-19-2013 08:17 PM ET (US)
Guts? Determination? $5?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 00:13 GMT
#1897
doyouhas... what is your conclusion
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 21 2013 00:14 GMT
#1898
On March 21 2013 09:13 Coagulation wrote:
doyouhas... what is your conclusion

Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 21 2013 00:14 GMT
#1899
EBWOP: On testsubject?
Guts? Determination? $5?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22168 Posts
March 21 2013 00:15 GMT
#1900
As pointed out with the Bureaucreacy slip in the qt, The Mirror is probably layabout. This also is displayed by his lack of involvement in the game and certain anti-town traits I noticed.

I am still confident zarepath, GK and cosmicomics are scum. However, as I see it as of now there are the 2 wildcards I mentioned earlier:
Given Trancestorm's latest entrance and a look at his filter I feel he is a good candidate for one of the spots, in the other spot I see fitting either Coag, WF or kita. Coag obviously the guy I'm least sure about.

Fairly confident in saying that scum is pushing the Wiggles wagon currently, and VE is grasping at the most likely lynch according to common opinions to save his own hide right now.
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