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On March 20 2013 05:20 zarepath wrote: I don't know if this means much, but the creator for the QT I'm in now is DRHEL. For some reason I doubt that the host would allow someone to make their own QT. I've played more newbie games than not; is it ever a practice for the players to make their own QT in a normal game? Well it does mean much, cause layabout says VE and GK confirmed that the logs were correct, they can't know if they were correct if you aren't in the same qt GK wrote in. Your versions conflict with each other. On March 20 2013 01:46 layabout wrote: Misread this first point, VE and GK confirmed the logs were correct so if BH is fabracting the logs they are deliberately supporting the lie. Zarepath also supports it but we haven't seen logs. | ||
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How is layabout supposed to know that the logs were correct based on what VE and GK say, the argument is complete nonsense if you start from the assumption that: 1. GK would be scum anyway. 2. VE isn't in the same qt as GK As for the mason qt, why does BH need the hosts to make the last two if he was able to make one by himself first? Doesn't that mean that, by rules, the qt has to be created by the hosts? Or else he could simply open the last two by himself as well. How reliable is it that he's blaming his first qt on the host? | ||
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On March 20 2013 08:20 Wade Fell wrote: They didn't drag their feet for the other 2, they responded immediately to my PMs and opened the QTs. DrH explicitly told me via PM to make the GK mason QT myself. The fact that the hosts' shittiness is making me look bad is infuriating but that's all there is to it. Your post suggests you were expecting a new qt to be opened. Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment. "so I'll drop some stuff in here" is just, meh, it shows you were expecting to drop some other stuff elsewhere and you say you were in a hurry. Why post you're dropping stuff in here cause you're in a hurry and the host didn't open it when you're already in the right qt. You said the hosts agreed on you opening it first, you make it sound like there's still a problem and you have to get rid of a post cause you can't wait for them (probably so GK could prepare the response to it) I don't believe you, but I'm fine with lynching my other reads for the moment, whoever gets the majority first. Cases already written here above and here I would have probably given a chance to your version if you first opened a qt on your own then got the permission to share it, but you said you opened it after getting a PM so that post doesn't sound right in my ears. I also noticed you wrote some stuff against me, funny cause you say I'm inconsistent between here and here which isn't scummy at all, one is D1, one is N1 and for my N1 post all the reasoning is laid out. Never forgot what I thought, just made new reads after the flip. | ||
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On March 20 2013 08:46 Wade Fell wrote: I did not expect a new QT to be opened It looks like you wrote that post up in a qt and posted it in your scum qt while waiting for hosts to open up the mason one. Was it prepared beforehand or did you write it on the go while in the mason qt? | ||
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Hey BH, you're a pretty quick writer you wrote that post in the mason qt in just 1 minute after a gigantic post in the thread but you say you wrote it there. THREAD: + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote: Your vote is literally meaningless. Coag's meta is to do this. He's well known, and in time we will have a chance to better discern his alignment. You think based on a couple meaningless posts we have grounds to lynch him? He's clearly just joshing around. What I find scummy is an attempt to contribute and write big posts that are actually meaningless, or an attempt to look like you're contributing when in fact you are not. I didn't like your low-quality posts on setup speculation (nonvaluable, looks like you're contributing to the untrained eye) and I like your attack on Coag here even less. What's your reason for voting coag? He made some worthless posts, but unlike you, he took no efforts to make the sewage exploding from his mouth look useful. He might be shit, but at least he's honest about it. What you're doing here? This is a policy lynch of Coag. That's literally what this is. You're saying "coag's style doesn't sit well with me, and even though others have told me about his meta, I'm going to disregard that and just lynch him anyways cause i'm bad or scum" Like, you say coag is scummy and worthless based on a lack of interest int he game 24 hours in, and also this is fucking coag. You know this wagon won't work, but here you get to look "principled" and appear to contribute to town without giving reads on the cases that matter. Why no weighing in on Geript and his scummy play (though he's simply an idiot afaik) or GoodKarma, who although he is playing to his town meta from NMMXXIV and not like scum as he was in LVII, is lynchbait since he posts slowly and poeple don't know him? They're absent from your filter. No thoughts on VE's hilarious but ultimately unuseful plan? It's more and more obvious. You're opting out of the town discourse. It would have fooled a lesser town. But this town has me. You die today, thepeashooter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has another thing coming. QT:+ Show Spoiler + 03-17-2013 09:07 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment. My power works on a per-phase basis and I was hoping to mason you for D2 but the chance you can be lynched is too high, so instead I'm masoning you for D1 so I can work with you while you're still alive. In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push, besides my tiff with Testsubject and with TPS (which I need to step back from due to emotional issues, at least for today). I suggest we pool our thoughts and reads since you are a pretty good scumhunter when you have someone to bounce ideas off of. Mainly I am concerned with Mr. Wiggles. He is an aggressive scumhunter and a capable asset as town, but his scum play isn't as good, and I'm pretty sure this is scum Wiggles. He didn't seriously follow-up on his attack on you, and only when prodded has he posted in the thread. When he DOES post, he composes his posts quite well-- they look and smell like cases-- but he doesn't back them up and press them the way a town player who really wanted to lynch his target would. For example, he calls up Coag's meta to defend coag, then utterly ignores meta to attack you. I jumped through all kinds of hoops to deflect it and even now he's trying to get a mislynch off on you, despite admitting you're playing to your town meta. The other player that bothers me is Geript, but I think I might be emotionally against him and seeing things I shouldn't-- I'd like you to check my logic here. Geript has been actively opposing attempts of town to organize and scumhunt, but not in a way that relays concerns for town complacency or other dangers of VE's gambit. furthermore, he is focusing his attacks on the most productive and useful townies rather than try to develop cases or even push his main targets. Whenever there's pushback, he changes who he's attacking. Normally I'd be on him like white on rice, but I mislynched him last game and am worried I am misreading him now. I'm going to be rolling out an attack on Wiggles shortly. Do you have any thoughts? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + It's a guy who says these things to a guy who asks questions to a claimed veteran. Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. | ||
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Now he does the same stuff with zarepath, he completely forgets about him and basically tells him what he does wrong about his posts before doing so. No pressure, no questions, just telling him how to play. Fitting for scumbuddies. + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2013 09:28 goodkarma wrote: Okay I'm back in thread now. I'm slowly going through other people's filters. But the first one I'd like to bring up is Zarepath, since it seems Vivax is eager to see what I have to say about him. First off, before anything else, I would like to say (and I believe others have said it too) to Vivax that an association based case on multiple unflipped players is flat-out bad. Putting that aside though, Zarepath is a player I put in the category of newer, less experienced player. When such a player is town he tends to be easier to mislynch, as he has not adopted his own solid playstyle yet. Looking into Zarepath's filter, he's been quite lazy about sharing his reads. His excuses have been "I'm new to this format," and "I'll be far more active during the week." Well, he should have at least gotten orientated to the format by now, and it is now a weekday. As such, I expect to see an explosion of activity from him. I believe the concerns about him are valid, and that he indeed is acting very scummy. It's also worth noting he does seem to be much more involved in his past town games, and as such I'd say I'm leaning scum on him. Certainly, he needs to be sharing his reads much better than he is right now so we can get better insight into his thought process. On March 19 2013 09:42 goodkarma wrote: Leaning scum is a read. And encouraging people to post to get a better read on them is hardly scummy... If you think I'm scum make an actual case, or use your time more productively. On March 19 2013 11:00 goodkarma wrote: One reason for that might be that you spoilered the entire thing... Looking at it, as best I can tell you point out that Hopeless hasn't really provided much substantive content, and that his complete flip on his stance on Darth is odd. I could see some potential scum motivation for these actions, but honestly your case is pretty thin. You can't just go through a guy's post history and say "this and that are odd..." What we're interested in is scum motivation. As in: Why is it that this particular post is more likely for scum Hopeless to make than town Hopeless? As it stands your recent case posts sometimes read like summaries of the guy's actions. Which is just fluff that makes it ten times harder to read, and doesn't add any value... The Hopeless case was not that substantial imo, which is part of the reason people probably didn't say much about it. With a rather sparse filter and a replacement coming in, we'll have a better read on him after Ace subs in. | ||
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Since we don't seem to have vigis I support a layabout lynch over a Coagulation lynch. His last case was D1 if I recall correctly. | ||
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Since you guys all despise my reads I'll endorse a TPS lynch (he has been defended by my scumreads and is currently playing in a way I find openly and purposedly useless for scumhunting purpose, still feel it's more of a policy lynch if he gets lynched before my other scumreads) or a layabout lynch (openly scummy and anti-town too, doesn't give a fuck and doesn't cooperate). + Show Spoiler + On March 18 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: VOTE COUNT! ThePeashooter (0): goodkarma (1): Coagulation (0): GreYMisT (12): testsubject893 (0): Sandroba (0): zarepath (6): DoYouHas (1): TranceStorm cosmicomics (0): DarthPunk (3): Vivax (0):: VisceraEyes (0): Voting is compulsory | ||
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I also checked his filter from LX where he was town, and after reading a little I realized a few differences, I also noticed he mentions many points about people doing "null" things, which isn't really something you try to pay attention to as town. In LX he talked much more about lynch candidates, as rule of thumb. Won't make an extended case though since there are already enough out, will post something that would be funny if he flips red though: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2013 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I did the same thing..... (I do!) | ||
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On March 20 2013 22:12 Mocsta wrote: Vivax Thanks for joining the Wagon of Justice To more pressing matters a couple posts above, I wrote some light (i.e was on Tablet) commentary about the mason logs (that I reformatted for easy reading on p74). Care to share some of your insight? After, you had the right reads as town in Personality 2.. lets hear your feedback on those logs pl0x I think I already said something similar here as response to WoS actually. I need to doublecheck the WoS wagon still, didn't even read all the new posts that popped up since I went to bed. The strongest point in his favour is that he joined the Greymist wagon last when there was no point since he was set to be lynched anyway. If you're scum, why join a bandwagon on someone you know is a townie about get lynched anyway? So yeah, my decision is subject to change, I do notice differences in his play though. But then again they might be just that, in different games even when he might have the same alignment. Still would prefer to lynch someone like cosmicomics, layabout or TPS. Cosmicomics fits into the profile of lurky scum. And TPS + layabout seem more careless to me than Coag tbh. | ||
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WoS if you have a role don't claim it. It will make it useless for the following nights. Leave scum in the dark. I'll jump off your wagon anyway if I can get one of GK/TPS/cosmic/layabout lynched, work on convincing people about them instead of talking about yourself. Mocsta nightmare can only talk during the night I think, that masoned guy should know about WoS being likely scum in that case, so I don't think he's that. | ||
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You die, it becomes useless, you survive after claiming, it becomes useless. | ||
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Mocsta another thing: During N1 and early D2 you were on zarepath calling him scummy about a lot of things (remember how he asked about the rolename?). Now you seem to have lost track, what's your current read of zare? | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:11 Mocsta wrote: Can i call that a delurk? lol actually my primary suspect hasnt chagned since my first read of p7-p20 the other day and my read now of p7-p15 tonight. If it wasnt clear who that was since I joined the thread, its BH I thought it was GK. + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2013 03:09 Mocsta wrote: Im only up to p13. but GoodKarma is scum yo On March 19 2013 03:24 Mocsta wrote: I agree DYH Im up to p15 and my two strongest reads are: GoodKarma + zarepath zarepath already from his first 10 posts, is posting completely different to the 3-4 games I played with him in the past 1 to 2 months (he was town in all of them). 3rd read = weak is Vivax from his first post.. very odd reads, but will reevaluate as i read more of the thread. | ||
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Can we lynch cosmicomics/layabout/GK please? | ||
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(I know.. its embarassing, but in short. so far, i dnot see zarepath as scummy anymore)
