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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On March 31 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote: Agree in full. I think I commented a similar thing in the obsqt. Im still not sure whether layabout knew he would re-convert though? my theory is that he didn't and kitaman actually pulled a fast one on him | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
& im shocked, it went so easily i mean.. there wasnt even a sense of concern from layabout? odd, because I thought i read that once layabout converted he lost the mason ability with cosmicomics. Hence? "HOW" could Kitaman mason him; and why was this never questioned? The whole thing is convoluted.. regardless.. well earnt win, and good adaption to the day4 lynch environment. | ||
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Blazinghand
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VisceraEyes
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Ace
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
also thanks DrH and Oats for the great game! | ||
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
And no, it doesn't change the fact that you weren't third party but it does NOT excuse the way you played. The Vet claim was bad, the Mason thing was foolish, and you yourself even hopped on my wagon when I had no case on me until Wiggles showed up. If you were trying to get something out of CC then I don't see how I had anything to do with it. You're lying  | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
But don't listen to me. I'm just the noob. | ||
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Ace
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 31 2013 15:44 Keirathi wrote: This whole argument: "The other guy played bad so I was justified in my vote". How about stop thinking like that, eh? But don't listen to me. I'm just the noob. not true, but VE really has no ground to stand on here. On March 31 2013 15:05 Mocsta wrote: weirdest thing is.. i read that log between kita/layabout & im shocked, it went so easily i mean.. there wasnt even a sense of concern from layabout? odd, because I thought i read that once layabout converted he lost the mason ability with cosmicomics. Hence? "HOW" could Kitaman mason him; and why was this never questioned? The whole thing is convoluted.. regardless.. well earnt win, and good adaption to the day4 lynch environment. layabout lost his mason ability with cosmic, but was still able to converse with scum (kita) kita lied and said he had been masoned by cosmic that cycle. Obviously no way for layabout to confirm since mason contact was broken. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 31 2013 15:54 RyuSuzaku wrote: not true, but VE really has no ground to stand on here. layabout lost his mason ability with cosmic, but was still able to converse with scum (kita) kita lied and said he had been masoned by cosmic that cycle. Obviously no way for layabout to confirm since mason contact was broken. Thats one of the whole things that is broken about this conversion thing, in my opinion. Officially, if layabout converted and changed win-con.. he should not have access to the QT. Thus, Kita should never have been able to communicate with him. Obviously, scum will know if this is the case. I just think the mechanic is broken. If you can not convert mafia... how do you tell the converter, who he CAN and CAN NOT convert? That breaks the game as well. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
or Recuiter dies the night they try to convert Mafia. If this happens they either get a new recruiter picked from the existing ones in the faction (broken for obvious reasons) or the better but more controversial way: everyone in the faction dies when the leader dies. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 31 2013 16:01 Ace wrote: Recruiter gets notified their conversion failed not knowing why (Priest type roles that block conversion or trying to convert Mafia) or Recuiter dies the night they try to convert Mafia. If this happens they either get a new recruiter picked from the existing ones in the faction (broken for obvious reasons) or the better but more controversial way: everyone in the faction dies when the leader dies. I think that is what sl0osh/cosmi assumed was the case. (star crossed lovers IIRC) If the priest is a one-off blue role, than the chances of failing on mafia >> failing on a priest. So I am not a fan of the failed conversation method. Perhaps this whole situation could have been averted if layabout still had mason access to CC. He could have held off the discourse with kita, to confirm first with CC? Recruiter becomes a bit like zerg then.. continual psionic link | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
we'll have to wait on Dr.H to chime in on what he wanted to accomplish. I don't think it was that bad as the game was still fun, and I don't think it outright ruined the game (and layabout seemed to like it, dont know if CC was really that upset either). Just something for the future when dealing with recruitment/cult roles and the potential pitfalls. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
This game specifically confirmed my love for Night Cycle - 23hr action submission deadline. Considering the 24hr deadline was "fluid"; it was frustrating that the validity of vig claims be questioned purely due to a moving deadline; or BH final words require to be deleted etc I have only seen the 23hr submission deadline in newbies, so uncertain why it is not apparent in the normal league? Any context I am missing? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Blazinghand
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 31 2013 16:24 Ace wrote: hmm? If you mean 48hour day/24 hour night cycles I think that was the standard for a long time. its still 48/24 cycle but the submission deadline is 48/23 thus there is a 1hour deadzone, where you can post freely without consequence. (i.e. change to actions both town and scum) Allows "final words" to be made with confidence of not influencing the night actions etc. Also means, ppl can go to sleep 1 hr earlier | ||
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