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On March 27 2013 13:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well fuck I wrote up a post and it got deleted. Essentially what layabout just said though was what I was getting at.
I find the claim fairly believable actually since I don't see scum getting two mason roles while we only get one. Layabout does your role have a name as well?
And as far as a kita lynch goes, it doesn't feel good to me at all...I gotta look into this.
I began a fool i became a reflection if my dreams are shattered i may become a loser and a fool again.
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kitaman27
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On March 27 2013 13:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
I find the claim fairly believable actually since I don't see scum getting two mason roles while we only get one.
What incentive does a non-mafia player have to pm VE, trick him into thinking he has been recruited, and then push for a mislynch once VE reveals the mason logs.
If the mirror was simply a third party survivor, he could use his mason to help town and scumhunt, then use the town cred to not get lynched. There is no reason to worry about a hit because he has a bulletproof vest.
Are you really willing to ignore player analysis which showed that cosmic was scum in favor of setup speculation, that we have no proof of?
On March 27 2013 13:24 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:03 kitaman27 wrote:On March 27 2013 11:36 cosmicomics wrote:
Ok so all creepyness aside, I'm the Mirror and layabout is my star crossed lover. I'm almost positive that he is town. I picked him because he seemed like he was a low focus player who can survive mislynches / shots till LYLO with me. That's my, and now layabout's wincon. We just have to make it till LYLO. If one of us dies, the other dies too. We get a 1KP bullet proof vest a night, but I have to choose whether it is on me or layabout, and once it absorbs a hit it's gone. We still have it. cosmic clearly doesn't win by surviving with town. This is all nonsense. Remember on day two how he manipulated VE into thinking he was being recruited? And then he proceed to push for his lynch? He made no effort in clearing the suspicions that VE was third party. He pushed a mislynch for the "lulz". This isn't play indicative of a player that wins with town. A survivor with a bulletproof vest uses his mason ability to scum hunt and then use the town cred to never be lynched. They don't push mislynches for their own amusement. I tried to chat with him 1:1 in real time to get a read on him, but he dodged me at everyone opportunity. He claims to have been trying to figure out my alignment, yet every opportunity I requested to chat, he brushed off.After writing a case against me which proved how sure he was that I am scum, now that people agree I am town, he backtracks and jumps on another player with DarthPunk. He claims to have reread the thread to discover that I was mafia earlier, now he admits he hasn't been reading the thread very closely at all. cosmic and layabout were almost certainly going to be lynched the next two cycles. I pegged them as scum, they couldn't misdirect the lynch and this is their last ditch effort to swing things. Notice how they waited until only a few hours left in the cycle to pull this stunt. They're hoping that we buy into their story and do a last minute panic switch without thinking things through. It's also possible that this ploy would allow their kp to remain at two for another night.cosmic needs to be lynched this cycle. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:16 kitaman27 wrote:On March 27 2013 13:12 DarthPunk wrote:On March 27 2013 13:09 kitaman27 wrote:
dp, your number one mafia read in layabout suddenly comes up with a fake claim, wants to lynch you, and you buy into it? Why would you believe a word they say if you thought he was scum prior to the claim? Because there is absolutely ZERO reason for scum to fake claim right now. They are clearly winning. So why just throw away two scum members for no reason? It makes no sense at all for mafia to fake claim. It makes perfect sense for 3rd party to help town right now because we are in an awful position. That is why I believe the claim. No one should not believe the claim. Yourself and Ryo are basically claiming scum right now. ##Vote: Kitaman27 Are you kidding me? There were 5 votes on cosmic and 3 votes on layabout before this claim. One of them was most certainly going to get lynched this cycle. There is only a couple hours in the cycle remaining. Do you expect that we were going to suddenly decide to all swap to WoS or something? They have every reason to fake claim for survival right now.
The moment cosmic flipped scum, everyone was going to lynch layabout the next cycle. This is their only chance.You say that cosmic wants to work with town, but ignore the fact that he trolled VE and tried to push his mislynch? Bold is kitaman trying to lynch me for being 3rd party. Red is kitaman trying to lynch me for being scum. Nowhere does kitaman actually try to evaluate what I actually am or the repercussions that lynching me will bring.
Where do I call you third party in bold. This is a lie.
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On March 27 2013 13:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well fuck I wrote up a post and it got deleted. Essentially what layabout just said though was what I was getting at.
I find the claim fairly believable actually since I don't see scum getting two mason roles while we only get one. Layabout does your role have a name as well?
And as far as a kita lynch goes, it doesn't feel good to me at all...I gotta look into this.
Just look at how he has flown under the radar. All his contributions have been giant crafted cases on townies or 3rd party.
Also he never interacts with blazing hand ONCE this game. He defends his mason claim and taht's about it. He never mentions a read on BH at all DESPITE BH having such a large impact on the game. aside from one post defending BH's mason claim. he has no interaction or mention of BH until after the vig shot where he says BH was spammy and nice shot.
I got One. Kita is scum.
##LYNCH: KITA
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All townies. Read kita's filter and look for mentions/interactions with Blazinghand. Realize we have caught scum, and lynch this kid.
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So, DP is really scum after all?
loooool
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On March 27 2013 13:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
So, DP is really scum after all?
loooool
You are scum and you are next.
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An argument that someone is scum is something like this:
"He is scum these actions show scum agenda he is scum"
Implicit in what kitaman said in the bold is
"He might be 3rd party but definitely isn't town-aligned 3rd party".
Explicit in what kitman said in the bold is stuff about survivors. You don't hash out explanations to rule out the possibility of town aligned 3rd party when arguing that someone is scum.
Clearly kitaman is panicking and trying to do his best to get me lynched instead of acting like everyone else, who is taking a step back and carefully re-evaluating.
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On March 27 2013 13:32 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
So, DP is really scum after all?
loooool You are scum and you are next.
nope.
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So a Dreamer?
Can you confirm that you die if cosmic does, because that's not what your last post makes it seem like.
Reading through kita's filter I've noticed that aside from myself, glurio and the recent business with cosmic, every single case that kita has made has been against townies, and very early on as well.
Now considering how misdirected we have all been this game I'm not sure if that means anything, especially since I have sheeped onto all of the mislynches eventually as well (except Wriggles, I claim partial responsibility for that as I wanted him dead for ages), but I wasn't the one creating the cases....
There's still time. This is going to be a really hard one for me because I have had a huge townread on kita ever since his case on me, and I've had a townread on DP for much of the game as well. Also interesting you've mentioned BH's effect on the game, DP, because I don't think we're done looking into that.....
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The above is directed at Layabout.
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I'd also really like to hear Kenpachi/glurio/zare/geript's thoughts on all this.
Maybe TPS as well since he signed up for this game for some reason.
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kitaman27
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Do I need to remind you guys how hard cosmic pushing to get VE lynched while defending BH?
What incentive does a third party player have to frame VE via mason chat, push his lynch hard in the thread, and defend a player that is scum.
If you guys are going with the "each alignment has one mason" approach, then think about this:
With greymist flipping town mason, and cosmic being a mason himself, he would come to the conclusion that BH would be a scum mason.
Rather than pushing him, he defends him and pushes a VE lynch.
cosmic is mafia, he has used his mason ability to push a mafia agenda.
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kitaman27
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On March 27 2013 13:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
So a Dreamer?
Can you confirm that you die if cosmic does, because that's not what your last post makes it seem like.
Their fake claims don't even line up.
cosmic claims that when one of them dies, they both die.
layabout claims that he was town, was converted to third party, and would be converted back to town if cosmic dies.
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Wow, so TPS just voted Layabout without even posting in here.
I'm so sorry I checked him guys, I wish we had mislynched him instead of someone actually useful.
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Sorry for my apathy. There were a certain few parts in this game that completely destroyed my will to play. Based off the most recent set of posting it looks like LayAbout is scum to me. I really don't think the WoS claim or my rolecheck can be questioned if you actually care to look at the evidence and he seems to just be trying to cause chaos.
My apathy caused by certain players this game combined with me actually being really busy the last couple of days lead to me playing an extremely lackluster game. I really did intend on delivering more and better analysis but I just didn't have the time to do it the last few days.
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On March 27 2013 13:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
So a Dreamer?
Can you confirm that you die if cosmic does, because that's not what your last post makes it seem like.
Reading through kita's filter I've noticed that aside from myself, glurio and the recent business with cosmic, every single case that kita has made has been against townies, and very early on as well.
Now considering how misdirected we have all been this game I'm not sure if that means anything, especially since I have sheeped onto all of the mislynches eventually as well (except Wriggles, I claim partial responsibility for that as I wanted him dead for ages), but I wasn't the one creating the cases....
There's still time. This is going to be a really hard one for me because I have had a huge townread on kita ever since his case on me, and I've had a townread on DP for much of the game as well. Also interesting you've mentioned BH's effect on the game, DP, because I don't think we're done looking into that.....
Name is Mirror Image, i got it d2
before that i was The Fool
I don't think i can tell you what happens if cosmic dies. I will lose though.
must sleep
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On March 27 2013 13:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow, so TPS just voted Layabout without even posting in here.
I'm so sorry I checked him guys, I wish we had mislynched him instead of someone actually useful.
I voted and then I posted. I will admit it's my own fault for signing up for a game and not realizing the true reason I stopped playing mafia. This disgusting spammy play style that developed that just ruins games if you can't be on literally 24/7.
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On March 27 2013 13:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
So a Dreamer?
Can you confirm that you die if cosmic does, because that's not what your last post makes it seem like. Their fake claims don't even line up. cosmic claims that when one of them dies, they both die. layabout claims that he was town, was converted to third party, and would be converted back to town if cosmic dies.
generally Mafia fake claims do not have all the perceived inconsistencies that this claim has. This claim makes no sense for scum. It makes sense for third party. Do I think that they win with town. NO. But I believe that they realise that without their help town loses. So for the moment it is in our mutual interest to work together.
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On March 27 2013 13:41 ThePeashooter wrote:
Sorry for my apathy. There were a certain few parts in this game that completely destroyed my will to play. Based off the most recent set of posting it looks like LayAbout is scum to me. I really don't think the WoS claim or my rolecheck can be questioned if you actually care to look at the evidence and he seems to just be trying to cause chaos.
My apathy caused by certain players this game combined with me actually being really busy the last couple of days lead to me playing an extremely lackluster game. I really did intend on delivering more and better analysis but I just didn't have the time to do it the last few days.
If you are town then fucking do something with us and kill cosmic.
I've basically been in the same position as you. On day 1 I was sure greymist was scum, and I had a town read on WF. Since then I've realized how completely wrong many of my reads are.
Cosmic+layabout+DP need to die. Let's start with cosmic today.
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TPS uses his greencheck to help mafia win.
TPS is probaly the ___father.
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