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On February 22 2013 16:54 Mocsta wrote:

Awesome, will mean when I lead the lynch on you Day1, will be even EASIER!!

On February 26 2013 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
I SUMMONED CHEZINU AND EVERYTHING COME ON

On February 26 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Geript, what makes you unlikely for NK if you fulfil A + B properly?

lol

On February 26 2013 10:25 MilkSuckler wrote:

Here you now say "newbie"

I did not take anything out of context.
Try harder next time Dear

On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you?

A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you?

Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach.

Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway?
Case and point: a newbie.

I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach.

On February 26 2013 19:51 Aquanim wrote:
You claim that WoS is speaking in "different tones". What is your actual point?
And do you claim that being excited makes WoS scum?
In fact what are you saying here at all besides spraying inconclusive, uncommittal suspicion at WoS?

On February 26 2013 20:13 Aquanim wrote:

Why not?

On February 27 2013 07:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and as for Soniv, he's super busy all the time, so lack of contribution on his part is probably expected except for specific times during the day.
That said if he doesn't post during those specific times I will be on his ass....still waiting on a reply from him.
AND FUCKING GERIPT.

On February 27 2013 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript, I don't know what horseshit you're spouting but nowhere in your filter do you address my buddying concerns.

On February 27 2013 08:07 MilkSuckler wrote:
Geript

Do you still feel that way now WoS has increased his post count? + the question in the quotes pls

On February 27 2013 06:02 Wade Fell wrote:
If that's still your opinion at the deadline, you can count on my vote. Given that we're both going to lynch the same guy and one of us wants to be mayor and the other doesn't, I'm going to see if I can't win this election in your stead, though.

On February 27 2013 09:21 Wade Fell wrote:


geript I want you to think about the logic of a disinterested self-lynching martyr as being someone you wouldn't lynch and think about where following this policy will lead you

On February 27 2013 05:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What if I just ran for mayor? I don't like blqzinghand and don't trust him to not change his mind. If you wanna vote me in go ahead, scum will kill me anyway

On February 27 2013 11:04 MilkSuckler wrote:

My problem stems from Geript. I decided to read his filter from NMM37

On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?

On February 27 2013 09:25 geript wrote:
Also, regarding the pardoner role and Dr. my concern stems from the fact that it feels as if he was feeling out whether or not the plan was to remove the pardoner as to see whether or not it's safe to 'run' for it. I just find that fact that it appears that he's more interested in pardoner than mayor concerning as that role is more powerful in scum hands.

On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history.

On February 27 2013 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Nothing hard, its just illogical. I have zero interest in being pardoner.

On February 27 2013 14:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Experiment time. I'm not quoting people anymore. Call it an exercise in reading the thread. If you want to know who I'm talking to, read the thread. ^^

On February 27 2013 15:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript. The only thing I have left to ask you is this. Your suspicion of me is based on the fact that all of my actions, according to you, are made with the intention of becoming pardoner - a role which I have myself said is inherently anti-town and you would seem to agree. This being said, what reason would you possibly have to believe that I am town? You seem completely convinced that I am basing my play right now around an admitted and extremely anti-town intention yet are unwilling to push me or actually call me scum. I can't wrap my head around that. What is the point of your pressure then?

On February 27 2013 15:05 MilkSuckler wrote:
So what is the difference with VE or Wade Fell; or any of the other mayor candidates - 2nd place is pardoner regardless.

On February 28 2013 08:13 layabout wrote:

you know why
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 28 2013 09:47 Mocsta wrote:
K bad timing. Sorry milkman

On February 28 2013 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
garmpit respond please - I want to hear you use the words "My mistake VE is not trying to take credit for the Prom lynch"

On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:


geript is scum so fear him you should not

On February 28 2013 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote:

Not even to mention the fact that...you know...I'm mayor...and I lynched Prom. That's just icing.

On February 28 2013 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote:

Which is exactly why I didn't mention it. Did you want to respond to the post above that one? I didn't want to be mayor FOR THAT REASON. I tried to NOT be mayor FOR THAT REASON.

On February 28 2013 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote:

Not even to mention the fact that...you know...I'm mayor...and I lynched Prom. That's just icing.

On February 28 2013 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:


First you argue that I'm bitching about Toad killstealing Prom. Now you're arguing that I was trying to NOT lynch Prom. Make up your mind dude - it makes blending in a lot easier. *nod*

On February 26 2013 17:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone should feel free to vote me but I don't like my chances. Thread sentiment is something of a specialty of mine and I think the best I can hope for is Pardoner - which is fine with me, though I'm not really inclined to use it. Simply knowing it's not in scum control is absolutely fine with me.

On February 28 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
For what it's worth, I feel like any kind of "building up to not lynch Prom" you're seeing Milk is nullified by the fact that I've been pushing since yesterday to get DocH elected. I did my best to not get elected, I even capsraged. The veteran players didn't want me as Mayor so I wanted to oblige them. Unless for some reason you think that DocH was unlikely to lynch Prom, then your point about me "building up to not lynch Prom" being a problem is moot. At no point did I not want today's lynch to be Prom. Ever.

On February 28 2013 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Which is exactly why I didn't mention it. Did you want to respond to the post above that one? I didn't want to be mayor FOR THAT REASON. I tried to NOT be mayor FOR THAT REASON.

On February 28 2013 08:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like this is the only guy who's given reasoning as to why I make a better Mayor than Pardoner. Everyone else has just silently voted me and watched or been AFK during this, our most stressful hour.

On February 28 2013 03:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Exactly the reason I'm telling people to make DocH mayor. What was the point of saying that exactly?

On February 27 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:


Yeah okay.

Well here's where I'm at.

MilkSuckler, Toadesstern, Promethelax

Clearly you've seen how Toad is trying to take credit for the Prom lynch. Milk did the same thing directly after WF's case. They have both been downright indignant about it.

What do you make of that? For my part I take it as scummy. I'm town, and my thoughts when others agreed was "whew" not "That bastard is trying to take credit for what I DID!" The scrambling for acknowledgement of their contributions to the upcoming lynch reads as trying to soak up town cred to me.

On February 28 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
I still oppose trying to put Prom as pardoner. Too many variables. Too many lurkers. Too many people who don't want to budge their vote. It's not feasible.

On February 28 2013 17:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
The reason I felt DocH should be mayor 3/4 through the cycle yesterday was because Promethelax was my prime candidate, but because town was in such agreement about him, I considered switching the lynch to someone else, thinking we could reach an easy as fuck majority D2 on Prom. Anyone who has played with me as town knows that I have no fear of doing unorthodox things based on my reads, and no one knows that better than me...so I made a post stepping down to let DocH run the show. DocH would have lynched Promethelax 100%.

On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here.

On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end.

On March 01 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation.

On March 01 2013 05:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
It is possible they did this to try and mafia dayvig him at a later date or something (since a NK will be difficult with medics and such), but that seems too dangerous to me; for a scumteam the longer DrH is left alive the harder it becomes for them.
This is all a little WIFOM-y but I'm trying to get behind your point of view here, and it doesn't quite work.

On March 01 2013 06:10 Vivax wrote:
Hey VE I'm sorry to tell you, but some guy who worked in high risk psych for so long thinks there's something wrong with you.

On March 01 2013 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Where does that put your ability?

On February 26 2013 09:23 Toadesstern wrote:
Yes. I'm thinking about combining the lynch with getting rid of the pardoner by making the most likely lynch come in 2nd on purpose.

On February 26 2013 09:40 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah I guess. I thought about it pregame a bit and came to the conclusion that it's too hard to pull off and at the same time is restricting us timewise because we'd have to set on a lynch way ahead of time to make sure everyone knows what's going on, which basicly makes the day a 24h day instead of a 48h day. Wanted to see people's thoughts though and I don't exactly like your response to it unlike other ones.

On March 01 2013 07:44 Wade Fell wrote:



See, I think you're intentionally ignoring me because although your so-called "logic" should indicate that you ought to attack me, you know I am unassailably townie and staying alive is your #1 objective, not hunting scum.

To put it clear: your goal isn't to find scum, it's to find reasons to find VE scum, and you just slipped up real bad cause those reasons should/could apply to me and you're not doing so. Opportunistic.

Even more reason to think you're scum

On March 01 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript #1 reads NA.
Can we lynch him yet?

On March 01 2013 06:33 geript wrote:


Wait a second. You think about it. You conclude it's too hard to pull off. You still bring it up?

On March 01 2013 11:31 MilkSuckler wrote:

Lol

please dot point 3 things that are similar

On March 01 2013 10:53 MilkSuckler wrote:

This... i really agree with

Shall we vote Toad?

On March 01 2013 11:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I had a longer case that was very clear about that which I accidentally deleted. Yes, I am fairly convinced that Toades is scum and that VE was hit by mafia to avoid him being pushed on Day 2.

On March 01 2013 11:58 MilkSuckler wrote:

u realise your spammy quips is a complete deviation from your town meta....

and your current play is aligned with everything you said you openly detest as town.

On March 02 2013 05:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Is it true that 2 people claimed nightvig? I would be ok with lynching chez then

On March 01 2013 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm with you but I'm kinda under direct attack right now. I doubted it before but the absolute tenacity of this reeks of "I'm just under orders".

On March 02 2013 10:15 Wade Fell wrote:


yeah geript y u no vote chez

On March 02 2013 13:43 Wade Fell wrote:
also geript is clearly chez' scumbuddy

On February 26 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think Geript is a stupid newbie and OO is my best guess at scum (jcarlsoniv maybe). Day 1 crapshoot and all but why would you wait like 8 posts after your "read" (talking about how you don't have any reads/reasons in between it) then after there's pressure on you you finally have an explanation?

I'd hope to see people putting more effort into their accusations beyond "lol this guy is mafia". I'm not sure why he would throw in such a half assed "vote for me" post as mafia, but that's all WIFOM bullshit anyway.



Gerpit is the top scum read because he would make a bad lynch regardless if he's town or scum? That's not a reason, you're just calling him stupid more or less. Mafia like to jump on stupid townies don't they? OO has been immediately antagonistic to anyone disagreeing with him also. That's not really indicative of alignment but it certainly isn't protown. Convince me you aren't scum, don't bother trying to explain how Geript is a great scumread because it's not.

On March 02 2013 15:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So what, you wanna die just to prove a point to me that I'm an idiot or something?

On March 02 2013 13:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How could he possibly not conclude I am scum earlier than now? There is absolutely no town reason to do either of those 2 things, yet he was unwilling to call me out on either point.

He does not talk about Prom at all and makes no effort to push his original scumread through out the progression of Day 1. As though making his case was enough contribution to blend in.

Doesn't see the martrying as scummy (most unbelievably scummy thing a player can do) and misses the incredible scumslip logic in Prom's farewell. Never mentions it until asked.

It is an attempt to assure Promethelax is lynched.

Why would a town player be actively opposed to being pardoner anyway? I'm never going to use the power so it ends up meaning nothing to me as an individual.

It doesn't matter. He can't explain what is town about what I'm doing, just that he is able to follow my logic. But he clearly doesn't accept or believe that I'm not just trying to steal pardoner. Later he calls me a liar.

Town players here's a multiple choice question:
1. Player X is making a clear attempt to steal the pardoner role. He is lying about the intentions of his mayoral campaign and trying to stop a popular town candidate from getting mayor. What conclusion can you come to:
A. This player is scum
B. This player is third party
C. This player is town
D. Null

Anyone who doesn't pick A or B is lying to themselves.

Never again pushes WoS. He is not at all concerned about who is lynched Day 1, but very concerned with making sure people are suspicious of me.

Again with the pardoner conspiracies, not attempting to push scumreads. I thought this guy was gonna filter dive all game?

VE dies that night as town. Irrelevant, as mafia I would not ever avoid attacking a town player I accused of being scum.

A liar who tried to steal pardoner isn't enough for a lynch? Huh? How could that lie possibly be useful?

On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:


I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.

---

I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip.

On March 03 2013 02:32 TestSubject893 wrote:


Ok, I'll read the guide. The fear I have with pushing null reads is that if they turn out to be town it makes me look scummy, and wastes the town's time by making them go after me next. For example, early in this game, when my read on you was null and I pointed that out. You've had me pegged as scummy ever since.

On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does no one pay attention to my cases.

On March 03 2013 04:14 layabout wrote:
geript if dr.h is scum why did Vayesh(bc) who we know is town and Dr.h have nearly identical reads?

On March 03 2013 09:10 Wade Fell wrote:
"blazinghand how are you so good"

"i was wrong all along and blazinghand was always right"

On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end.

On March 03 2013 17:51 Mocsta wrote:
It is the way he chooses to push his agenda.

I think there is a clear difference in that behaviour.

On March 03 2013 18:31 Wade Fell wrote:
geript my soldier my friend my half asian half black half-eskimo half-werewolf half-brother from another mother you gotta take a chill pill and chillax instead of going all redonkudonk on the mocster

don't worry about defending yourself right now, formulate your cases and reads

On March 04 2013 12:36 MilkSuckler wrote:
Until that moment is reached.. this reads as a diversion ploy and conspiracy theory (akin to your entire Day1 Filter)... i really hoped we moved beyond this point.

On March 04 2013 12:57 Wade Fell wrote:
At this point it seems to me that geript is legitimately attempting to troll and be unhelpful, despite the attempts of many to bring out the good in him. huehuehuehuehuehue

On March 04 2013 13:07 Wade Fell wrote:


Look, I never said I didn't think you were scum. I think I was pretty explicit: I have had a scumread on you. That doesn't mean I was totally sure, so I tried to coax you to talk a bit. You talked, I became more sure you were scum, and every horrible shitbad post you make today only confirms it. Everything I said last night is still true now: if you are mislynched, then as a townie you have a responsibility to use your time wisely. I see you have no interest in doing so. I won't pay any more attention to your whining.

On March 04 2013 13:28 Wade Fell wrote:
Also geript my friend let me tell you this

If by some stretch of the imagination you flip town, I will peruse your reads, and "cases", the ones you made last night, as well as the other things in your filter, as I do for any flipped townie, in search of the truth. Of course, all this discussion is just academic since you will flip scum.

On March 04 2013 13:38 Wade Fell wrote:


What like IRL? I don't play mafia except on TL and IRL.

On March 04 2013 13:59 Wade Fell wrote:


You know the answer to this question.

On March 04 2013 14:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh yeah and just to be sure I don't have to listen to him for another day,
##Vote: Geript

And I will not be switching my vote: I've made it clear that scum or town, he is messing up the game for the rest of town right now and he needs to be gone.

On March 04 2013 15:44 JungleJorge wrote:
If I can prove to logic that someone is scum or sk why should I bother making a case? If I'm a claimed watcher and saw someone making a kill must I do it too?
Anyway just go ahead and lynch geript. I see nothing whatsoever that warrants suspicion on him. When he flips town, maybe you will drop your cocky attitude. I see that RO flipping scum has done nothing to your reading abilities towards my posts.

On March 04 2013 19:55 Wade Fell wrote:
Geript has no tools, no day vigilante shot to wave around, and unlike Prom he is the 4th of 5 scum and cannot afford to go quietly into the night.

So he feigns anger, but he does it carefully-- no additional information or cases given out, just lashing at the two strongest townies remaining in the game. And geript is no ordinary anger-feigner, he is a skilled technician who works with mental patients-- he can feign anger like no other.

On March 04 2013 20:10 Wade Fell wrote:
As a final note, and this must not be ignored: as it became clear his lynch today is unavoidable, geript has stopped trying to lynch his scumreads and is instead doing anything to avoid getting lynched. If we remember, as N2 drew to an end, geript stated (link) his three scumreads were Aqua, WoS, and one of Hassy/RO/DrH with TMM as potential third-party. As D3 dawned and he realized I was truly against him, he decided that I too was scum.

On March 05 2013 05:25 layabout wrote:
seems that way

geript you better not be town

On March 05 2013 06:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
There is absolutely plenty you could have done and said to change peoples minds. I feel 100% comfortable in saying that vets looking in and watching on this game would agree with me.

On March 05 2013 07:01 layabout wrote:geript if another player was acting the way you are are you seriously saying you wouldn't lynch them?

On March 05 2013 10:55 The Macho Man wrote:
i guess we should just wait

howeer geript lasts posts seem to be testing the waters in whether he should bother in making a case or not.
that is scummy to me.

On March 05 2013 13:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sorry if you're going to hate me forever for getting you lynched. I don't look down on you at all and I'd hope you can just keep on playing and improving.

On March 05 2013 13:58 WaveofShadow wrote:

Wait now I'm confused. Do you hate me too?

On March 05 2013 15:44 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yeah last time I sniveled away when under pressure because I had no idea what else to do. This time I'm not.
BRING IT MOCSTA
BRING IT HARRRRDDDDD

On March 05 2013 23:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Why would you flipping town implicate me at all?

On March 06 2013 00:59 layabout wrote:
Milksucler,
sk must shoot and shot can't be blocked
day1
scum KP 2 vivax kp 1, sk kp 1??
2 townies die,
protect on toad vivax roleblocked
day2
scum KP 1 vivax kp 1 sk kp 1??
1 scum dies,
no town protects that we know of

but what if vivax is the sk?

well if that were the case vivax has given scum the power to get him lynched whenever they want.

On March 13 2013 09:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I've also started to think we need to punish bad town play more. People like grush57 surviving to endgame is an atrocity and having this attitude of "Well, that's just what he does" is really hurting TL Mafia as a whole. If the level of play is going to increase, resulting in better and more entertaining games, there has to be punishment for effortless and bad play and not permissiveness. If not lynches, then temporary bans or forcing these players to play with a coach/shadow in their next game.