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On February 22 2013 16:54 Mocsta wrote: Awesome, will mean when I lead the lynch on you Day1, will be even EASIER!! Not likely. My sporadic activity > all your activity | ||
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On February 26 2013 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: I SUMMONED CHEZINU AND EVERYTHING COME ON See what happens when there's no sacrifice involved. | ||
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A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players. My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read ## vote geript | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote: Geript, what makes you unlikely for NK if you fulfil A + B properly? lol Being an unknown is likely to have some minor advantages, for example seeing if I can be manipulated and utilized instead of having to waste a night action on killing me. My posting style and case formulation is different than most which will likely make me a case target more than not. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:27 geript wrote: Being an unknown is likely to have some minor advantages, for example seeing if I can be manipulated and utilized instead of having to waste a night action on killing me. My posting style and case formulation is different than most which will likely make me a case target more than not. That answer or this one? + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? As of now I would also consider VE for mayor. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:25 MilkSuckler wrote: Here you now say "newbie" I did not take anything out of context. Try harder next time Dear Sorry but that is a direct question regarding Vivax stance on me. Perhaps you should be reading more than just my filter. | ||
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On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote: A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much? | ||
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First off, there are three distinct tones in WoS key post and I'm going to separate them out. A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? All this says is that whatever you are about to propose is absolutely retarded. All it says is, "ignore this post." This tone is returned to at the end. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. The second tone is the analysis tone: Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. Basically this says, "trust a newbie to be pardoner." The problem is that his argument falls apart when you really analyze it. You don't want pardoner in the hands of a newbie because it's a free pass for when they get caught for them unless they're lynched D1. I agree with previous analysis, best to put pardoner on the mayor's lynch target. Next the general plea: I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. This section is especially out of tone for him. I feel like I'm watching C3PO talk to Jabba here. This paragraph especially feels forced; the diction is all wrong for him. His posts are little more than mimicry than anything else in general but this paragraph is nothing of the sort. Next, I actually have to agree with what Prome said. The difference between Vivax response and WoS response is that Vivax actually attacks the argument (If you do A+B then no way you get to C). WoS response was essentially, "You got NK last game." WoS is playing excited this game. Even when he's grabbed a touch of heat, he's not been the slightest concerned about it and continues to "counterpressure" with bleh. I'm going to reread the thread a few times before I head to bed and sleep on it but for right now Vivax and WoS are on the top of my list but I'd need a flip to make a strong case. | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:51 Aquanim wrote: You claim that WoS is speaking in "different tones". What is your actual point? And do you claim that being excited makes WoS scum? In fact what are you saying here at all besides spraying inconclusive, uncommittal suspicion at WoS? My point is that I think his posts are a combination of scripting and mimicry. No. Being excited makes him excited, but emotional state gives a read on the reasons behind the actions and thus the goal of the actions. I'm saying I think WoS is scum and I want everyone else to keep an eye on him. | ||
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Ok, so in poker how I made my money was reading emotional states. You find out how a person is feeling and that gives you their state of mind. Once you get their state of mind you can see the choices their making and learn why they're making the choices they're making. My point with being excited is that it also is uncharacteristic; he doesn't run on adrenaline, that's not his shtick. He's a fly by the seat of his pants guy. Prolonged excitation doesn't make sense from a town role. | ||
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Because town doesn't naturally evoke a stressor response. | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and as for Soniv, he's super busy all the time, so lack of contribution on his part is probably expected except for specific times during the day. That said if he doesn't post during those specific times I will be on his ass....still waiting on a reply from him. AND FUCKING GERIPT. Just woke up and reading. You should read my filter for your answers as I've already said. | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript, I don't know what horseshit you're spouting but nowhere in your filter do you address my buddying concerns. One of the quotes you quote I even stated I was on my phone. The next one, I commented on how I got caught up at work. 1+1=2. Posting from work = less time. Posting from work = posting on phone = autocorrect. You're reading into things too much. Quite frankly the fact that you try and bring up the buddying aspect is ridiculous. You don't even make a solid case for why I would want to try and buddy up him instead of say, anyone else. You're grabbing straws at best. | ||
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On February 27 2013 08:07 MilkSuckler wrote: Geript Do you still feel that way now WoS has increased his post count? + the question in the quotes pls I still feel the post was artificial. But otherwise I'm less strong on him after reviewing the rest of his filter, more null minus instead of scum. That said, I think that WF's post here is very interesting. On February 27 2013 06:02 Wade Fell wrote: If that's still your opinion at the deadline, you can count on my vote. Given that we're both going to lynch the same guy and one of us wants to be mayor and the other doesn't, I'm going to see if I can't win this election in your stead, though. It does in many regards feel like Dr. is soft running in the possible attempt to backdoor the pardoner role instead. | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:21 Wade Fell wrote: geript I want you to think about the logic of a disinterested self-lynching martyr as being someone you wouldn't lynch and think about where following this policy will lead you The difference I'm seeing between RO and Prome is that Prome has an underlying agenda; I don't see Prome as being disinterested. | ||
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On February 27 2013 05:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What if I just ran for mayor? I don't like blqzinghand and don't trust him to not change his mind. If you wanna vote me in go ahead, scum will kill me anyway Can you really say that this is an actually attempt to try and move the mayor role from VE? | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:04 MilkSuckler wrote: My problem stems from Geript. I decided to read his filter from NMM37 So still have problems or do you have a point to bring up? | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then? On February 27 2013 09:25 geript wrote: Also, regarding the pardoner role and Dr. my concern stems from the fact that it feels as if he was feeling out whether or not the plan was to remove the pardoner as to see whether or not it's safe to 'run' for it. I just find that fact that it appears that he's more interested in pardoner than mayor concerning as that role is more powerful in scum hands. On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. I don't see how I haven't honestly represented your post history. You have shown little to no desire in being elected mayor. You have shown mild interest in garnering votes. That means you have vested interest in being pardoner. I stated that fact as being concerning to me. What's so hard to read about that? | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Nothing hard, its just illogical. I have zero interest in being pardoner. Another question, what is your current interest level in being mayor? | ||
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On February 27 2013 14:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Experiment time. I'm not quoting people anymore. Call it an exercise in reading the thread. If you want to know who I'm talking to, read the thread. ^^ Why obfuscate? | ||
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I have considered town actions for DrH, but a soft campaign makes far more sense as scum than as town. I see little other intent that makes any sense. | ||
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@WF I'll answer you then too when I'm a bit more clear headed. | ||
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On February 27 2013 15:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript. The only thing I have left to ask you is this. Your suspicion of me is based on the fact that all of my actions, according to you, are made with the intention of becoming pardoner - a role which I have myself said is inherently anti-town and you would seem to agree. This being said, what reason would you possibly have to believe that I am town? You seem completely convinced that I am basing my play right now around an admitted and extremely anti-town intention yet are unwilling to push me or actually call me scum. I can't wrap my head around that. What is the point of your pressure then? Because there are conflicting reads imo; I actually like many of your posts as I can follow them and see where your head is at an a general direction. I'm just not sold that I'm not being played. In the case of conflicting reads I want more information so I can make a better informed decision and I want to try and remove any confirmation bias. On February 27 2013 15:05 MilkSuckler wrote: So what is the difference with VE or Wade Fell; or any of the other mayor candidates - 2nd place is pardoner regardless. This is why I'd strongly prefer to soft force the Mayor to lynch the pardoner. They want Prom out, fine; force them to follow up on that. Having him sit around to be town-lynched makes little sense unless they actually think he's town. If people want to pull "shennannies" then I have no interest in them being mayor as they are more likely lying to us. Since most everyone seems at least ok with Prome being lynched, I suggest moving secondary votes on him to force them to lynch him or risk giving him pardoner long-term. | ||
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On February 28 2013 08:13 layabout wrote: you know why + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 08:10 geript wrote: ##unvote vote wadefell On February 28 2013 08:1o geript wrote: absolutely nothing to explain the above post If my goal of getting people to force the mayor into lynching the pardoner prome isn't dead in the water at this point then I don't know what is. I already stated that I didn't want DrH as pardoner. What's so hard to get? | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:47 Mocsta wrote: K bad timing. Sorry milkman I want the suckler back. | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote: garmpit respond please - I want to hear you use the words "My mistake VE is not trying to take credit for the Prom lynch" Not until I get the chance to dive you again. My read was that you were mad that he was 'kill stealing'. But odds of me changing my mind on that are pretty slim. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: geript is scum so fear him you should not Fine, then investigate and/or vig me. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Not even to mention the fact that...you know...I'm mayor...and I lynched Prom. That's just icing. No, lynching someone who not lynching would get you lynched is nothing. Not icing, nothing. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Which is exactly why I didn't mention it. Did you want to respond to the post above that one? I didn't want to be mayor FOR THAT REASON. I tried to NOT be mayor FOR THAT REASON. On February 28 2013 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Not even to mention the fact that...you know...I'm mayor...and I lynched Prom. That's just icing. Yah, you did. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: First you argue that I'm bitching about Toad killstealing Prom. Now you're arguing that I was trying to NOT lynch Prom. Make up your mind dude - it makes blending in a lot easier. *nod* I made no such argument. I stated that selecting someone who you've run your campaign on being mayor is worth nothing. Being waffly on him earlier was worth less. I also agreed that you weren't trying to run for mayor... Other positions however... I also pointed out that you lied about not mentioning selecting Prome as being worth something. You're a lying liar. Day vigs, wait until dawn please. | ||
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@OO Is the bipolar an actual diagnosis you have received? If so which exact diagnosis if you don't mind. Or is it just self diagnosed. | ||
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On February 26 2013 17:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Everyone should feel free to vote me but I don't like my chances. Thread sentiment is something of a specialty of mine and I think the best I can hope for is Pardoner - which is fine with me, though I'm not really inclined to use it. Simply knowing it's not in scum control is absolutely fine with me. On February 28 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote: For what it's worth, I feel like any kind of "building up to not lynch Prom" you're seeing Milk is nullified by the fact that I've been pushing since yesterday to get DocH elected. I did my best to not get elected, I even capsraged. The veteran players didn't want me as Mayor so I wanted to oblige them. Unless for some reason you think that DocH was unlikely to lynch Prom, then your point about me "building up to not lynch Prom" being a problem is moot. At no point did I not want today's lynch to be Prom. Ever. On February 28 2013 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Which is exactly why I didn't mention it. Did you want to respond to the post above that one? I didn't want to be mayor FOR THAT REASON. I tried to NOT be mayor FOR THAT REASON. On February 28 2013 08:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I tried to step down. People ain't hurrin it. On February 28 2013 08:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Like this is the only guy who's given reasoning as to why I make a better Mayor than Pardoner. Everyone else has just silently voted me and watched or been AFK during this, our most stressful hour. On February 28 2013 03:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Exactly the reason I'm telling people to make DocH mayor. What was the point of saying that exactly? So VE, why were you so interested in becoming pardoner? Also, if you didn't care about who stole the town cred then why did you so voraciously attack almost everyone else (Wade Fells seemingly excluded) for bringing up cases or points they made on the subject? Why not just admit that you're scum and make it easy? Sorry Mocsta but I don't care about Dr.H much right now. I also don't understand why'd you have me change the subject off of VE when he's a lying so much. | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay. Well here's where I'm at. MilkSuckler, Toadesstern, Promethelax Clearly you've seen how Toad is trying to take credit for the Prom lynch. Milk did the same thing directly after WF's case. They have both been downright indignant about it. What do you make of that? For my part I take it as scummy. I'm town, and my thoughts when others agreed was "whew" not "That bastard is trying to take credit for what I DID!" The scrambling for acknowledgement of their contributions to the upcoming lynch reads as trying to soak up town cred to me. I'll admit that voracious isn't the right word to use, but you did attack them. People should read your filter again. | ||
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1. He's a liar. He's lied about almost everything he's said. He's running for mayor, but he doesn't want to be mayor. I documented this quite well in my previous post so I'm not going to bother continuing with it here. 2. He didn't want to remove the pardoner position at all. As of 7:03 we had 7-6-6-5 vote distribution. Not only is there what like 2 hours to consolidate votes on Prom, but we get a clear leader of VE with 9 within 15 minutes. Right before this post: On February 28 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I still oppose trying to put Prom as pardoner. Too many variables. Too many lurkers. Too many people who don't want to budge their vote. It's not feasible. Plus Dr. H adds his vote around 7:30. Didn't VE say that he never wavered in wanting to lynch Prome? Didn't VE say he wanted to be pardoner to keep it out of scum's hands? Why not try and force the issue of getting to solve both goals? Lynch Scum, prevent pardoner shennannies. But no, he's wholly against any reasonable attempt to remove the pardoner. That's right folks, there's a clear pro-town plan to wholly remove pardoner and Prome in one fell swoop and VE doesn't want to go for it because it required getting 3 people at max to put votes on Prome. There were multiple people on. There were multiple people paying attention. No reason to think that this plan wouldn't work. VE wanted to keep the pardoner in the game solely so he could be pardoner. Any bull about vote switches to move Prome into Mayor are completely insane as those people would be vig'd and/or lynched ASAP. 3. He has made multiple attempts at trying to grab the most pro-scum role. 4. He's playing scared. On February 28 2013 17:36 VisceraEyes wrote: The reason I felt DocH should be mayor 3/4 through the cycle yesterday was because Promethelax was my prime candidate, but because town was in such agreement about him, I considered switching the lynch to someone else, thinking we could reach an easy as fuck majority D2 on Prom. Anyone who has played with me as town knows that I have no fear of doing unorthodox things based on my reads, and no one knows that better than me...so I made a post stepping down to let DocH run the show. DocH would have lynched Promethelax 100%. I want to highlight this section in particular. Other than the blantant lies, Prome brings up two separate points: A. That he's not afraid of doing unorthodox things B. The town majority on Prome was there (aside: even if there were more people like myself who were null-to-null-minus leaning on him, most everyone in the least thought the case had merit and it was an acceptable lynch) His solution to this situation is to "step down"? Stepping down isn't in VE's personality at all; he's Type A personality all the way. He wants to be in the driver's seat. He wants to flash his epeen and gloat left and right. He wants to not only be able to have his pick of the litter and still be able to lynch Prome later. So why not take his target where he pleases? Is he not going to trust his reads? That's pretty easy to rule out due to personality. Is he trying to bend to the will of the people? Maybe, but as he stated, that doesn't fit him. He doesn't give a fuck what other people think of him. Is he scared of the repercussions if he didn't select Prome? Damn right. His goal is survival; nothing less, nothing more. When he got 'stuck' with Mayor he chose the option that would put the least pressure on him. He's avoiding. Day vigs wait to do your job until morning. | ||
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Yes I thought about both of you being scum, but both of you being scum makes very little game play sense in the long term as I would expect (as town) you'd be likely to be targeted early or reasonably early. I forget which game it was that I had read previously, but it's like the unwritten rule about Marv; in LYLO, lynch Marv. Makes very little sense in any regard to have 2 people run, passively or actively, for mayor/pardoner. Of the two, VE looks far more like scum to me than you. | ||
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On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here. It's still in the works. I will unveil it when I feel like it's strong enough to bring. As the last game pointed out, association cases aren't strong enough to merit things on their own especially without a flip on either of you. And no, I haven't yet revealed why I was making an association case on you two so you can feel free to believe whatever you like. On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end. But how does that make me scum? On the Meta case: If you knew what my IRL was right now you'd understand. Here's a hit. My brother's in the DR; his pregnant wife and 2 daughters (4,2) are at my place currently; I'm in Nursing School full time while still working 40hrs a week. I'm doing all of that and playing this game. So my day involves 3-4 hours of sleep; 2-3 hours of babysitting, 4-8 hours of class and 4-8 hours of work. | ||
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On March 01 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation. So are you trying to say now that your capsrage wasn't a planned move to try and move Dr.H into the mayor slot intentionally? | ||
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On March 01 2013 05:56 WaveofShadow wrote: It is possible they did this to try and mafia dayvig him at a later date or something (since a NK will be difficult with medics and such), but that seems too dangerous to me; for a scumteam the longer DrH is left alive the harder it becomes for them. This is all a little WIFOM-y but I'm trying to get behind your point of view here, and it doesn't quite work. I'm unclear on your antecedent's here. Are you referring to trying to setup VE or DrH to be dayvig'd? Also are you trying to say that this was setup so that I (scum geript) could call for a dayvig on VE/DrH? Because that's a pretty lousy plan. My thoughts on the bus plan. I think it was a planned bus and that one of the people leading the bus is scum. I think that VE was the driver trying to use it to gain town cred. Clear? | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:10 Vivax wrote: Hey VE I'm sorry to tell you, but some guy who worked in high risk psych for so long thinks there's something wrong with you. I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on this. This is blatantly false and reeks of just trying to stir the pot. Type A personality is just that; there's nothing right or wrong with it. While sociopaths tend to have type A personalities, there's been no direct links or clear causation (just correlation). Saying someone is Type A is no more a slam or saying that something's wrong with him than saying someone is meek and mild. | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:12 WaveofShadow wrote: If that's the extent of how far you think the bus goes that's not enough. I don't like that you're hiding reads directly about me as well I'm pretty sure that I've been upfront about all of my reads on you. Am I revealing all of my Vivax/WoS association case that isn't much good without a flip? No, but that would be wasting everyone's time. You're still playing excited (in the biophysical/pscyholgical sense to make it clear). If anything, I think I'm going to revisit and update my case on you when I have the chance. | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Where does that put your ability? Being wrong means I can be wrong. Is there a real point here? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:23 Toadesstern wrote: Yes. I'm thinking about combining the lynch with getting rid of the pardoner by making the most likely lynch come in 2nd on purpose. On February 26 2013 09:40 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I guess. I thought about it pregame a bit and came to the conclusion that it's too hard to pull off and at the same time is restricting us timewise because we'd have to set on a lynch way ahead of time to make sure everyone knows what's going on, which basicly makes the day a 24h day instead of a 48h day. Wanted to see people's thoughts though and I don't exactly like your response to it unlike other ones. Wait a second. You think about it. You conclude it's too hard to pull off. You still bring it up? | ||
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On March 01 2013 07:44 Wade Fell wrote: See, I think you're intentionally ignoring me because although your so-called "logic" should indicate that you ought to attack me, you know I am unassailably townie and staying alive is your #1 objective, not hunting scum. To put it clear: your goal isn't to find scum, it's to find reasons to find VE scum, and you just slipped up real bad cause those reasons should/could apply to me and you're not doing so. Opportunistic. Even more reason to think you're scum Ok, let's pretend for a second that it is a slip, what's the actual purpose in attacking VE and DrH then? | ||
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On March 01 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript #1 reads NA. Can we lynch him yet? NA? | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:33 geript wrote: Wait a second. You think about it. You conclude it's too hard to pull off. You still bring it up? Brought it up at night. Anyone have a reason why he'd agree with BH/WF that it was too hard to pull off and have found that answer in the pre game but still decided to bring it up? | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:31 MilkSuckler wrote: Lol please dot point 3 things that are similar No | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:53 MilkSuckler wrote: This... i really agree with Shall we vote Toad? Why u need his permission bro? | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I had a longer case that was very clear about that which I accidentally deleted. Yes, I am fairly convinced that Toades is scum and that VE was hit by mafia to avoid him being pushed on Day 2. Lets assume for a second that this is the case, does that give anymore suspicion to people who followed me into trying to get Prome elected pardoner thus forcing VE's hand in the selection process. | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:58 MilkSuckler wrote: u realise your spammy quips is a complete deviation from your town meta.... and your current play is aligned with everything you said you openly detest as town. Notice how my spammy quips are aimed at you? | ||
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I wasn't arguing for town cred from the Prom pardoner push. My argument is that VE was in the lead (and VE ie honey badger does what he wants) wouldn't scum want to force Prome's bussing? Interesting that Toad shows up here too hunh? | ||
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I will admit that this doesn't look great for me (as I made the follow up push), but its something to think about. | ||
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On March 02 2013 05:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is it true that 2 people claimed nightvig? I would be ok with lynching chez then This looks like a scum slip to me. Like someone in scum QT wrote there are 2 vigs (referring to Chez/Vivax) and he came over here with the assumption of 2 night vigs. On March 01 2013 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm with you but I'm kinda under direct attack right now. I doubted it before but the absolute tenacity of this reeks of "I'm just under orders". I had the feeling before that WoS was scripting things. After thinking about Chez more, I buy him as town day big. I think he's right on with his list. | ||
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I don't think he's scum. I think WoS and Dr are. | ||
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On March 02 2013 13:43 Wade Fell wrote: also geript is clearly chez' scumbuddy Are you dumb? You think I'm Chez's scumbuddy aye? Then why aren't you voting for me instead? You're a good enough player to actively think. If Chez had a second shot (as scum), then he likely would've taken if it were available. As there is nothing in the rules that I see against firing twice in one day (you can correct me if I'm wrong), then I think he would've taken it as scum. If you think that we're scum buddies, then you SHOULD be voting for me. I thought you were a good plaery BH? If Chez is scum and out of bullets, then you should be removing my scum role from the game. This is pretty shady either way. I'm suspicious of almost everyone at this point and quite frankly I don't give a fuck about this game anymore; all this game is is a vet circle jerk anyways. I still think the Doc's not town; I dropped the Doc case because I thought I had a much stronger case on VE. I was wrong. Who cares; I don't. I was happy when I got 1 case right in the last game. I still think WoS is scum. I still think VE was talking about talking about WoS. The tend to push what's my strongest read at the time. You don't like it, deal with it. Since the only way I see to push my reads at this point is prove their reads wrong, then PLEASE VOTE FOR ME!!!!! Note: If you think that Chez is scum and I'm not, then you need to vote for Chez. But if you think that we're both scum, then VOTE FOR ME! | ||
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On February 26 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think Geript is a stupid newbie and OO is my best guess at scum (jcarlsoniv maybe). Day 1 crapshoot and all but why would you wait like 8 posts after your "read" (talking about how you don't have any reads/reasons in between it) then after there's pressure on you you finally have an explanation? I'd hope to see people putting more effort into their accusations beyond "lol this guy is mafia". I'm not sure why he would throw in such a half assed "vote for me" post as mafia, but that's all WIFOM bullshit anyway. Gerpit is the top scum read because he would make a bad lynch regardless if he's town or scum? That's not a reason, you're just calling him stupid more or less. Mafia like to jump on stupid townies don't they? OO has been immediately antagonistic to anyone disagreeing with him also. That's not really indicative of alignment but it certainly isn't protown. Convince me you aren't scum, don't bother trying to explain how Geript is a great scumread because it's not. Lynch me now. Enjoy it Dr.H. I'm even helping you lynch me nor am I in any way intending to move my vote to anyone other than you or WoS. | ||
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On March 02 2013 15:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So what, you wanna die just to prove a point to me that I'm an idiot or something? No, I want to get you lynched/shot. | ||
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On March 02 2013 13:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How could he possibly not conclude I am scum earlier than now? There is absolutely no town reason to do either of those 2 things, yet he was unwilling to call me out on either point. I already said that I previously liked a number of your previous posts. I was back and forth on you. Not anymore. He does not talk about Prom at all and makes no effort to push his original scumread through out the progression of Day 1. As though making his case was enough contribution to blend in. When people don't like my initial post, I went back re-read. Though more and started working on making it better while tabling it to look at other players. I don't mind waiting as I'm generally quite patient. Doesn't see the martrying as scummy (most unbelievably scummy thing a player can do) and misses the incredible scumslip logic in Prom's farewell. Never mentions it until asked. Am I not allowed to be wrong? I didn't agree with it in my read. It is an attempt to assure Promethelax is lynched. Isn't this the point that I brought up? Funny, I bring it up AND point out that it made me look scummy. Reasonable to as scum give you the bullets to shoot at me? Why would a town player be actively opposed to being pardoner anyway? I'm never going to use the power so it ends up meaning nothing to me as an individual. When there's a safety play at IMPs in bridge, only an idiot doesn't make it. MPs is different, but at IMPs you make the damn safety play as the risk of gaining 1 IMP at the cost of 11 IMPs just isn't worth it. That's my take on it at least. Perfect town victory doesn't matter and doesn't happen. With a clear safety play available, I made the attempt at it. It doesn't matter. He can't explain what is town about what I'm doing, just that he is able to follow my logic. But he clearly doesn't accept or believe that I'm not just trying to steal pardoner. Later he calls me a liar. Town players here's a multiple choice question: 1. Player X is making a clear attempt to steal the pardoner role. He is lying about the intentions of his mayoral campaign and trying to stop a popular town candidate from getting mayor. What conclusion can you come to: A. This player is scum B. This player is third party C. This player is town D. Null Anyone who doesn't pick A or B is lying to themselves. You've admitted to being back and forth to some extent on things in your head... Am I not allowed to be mixed in opinion? Never again pushes WoS. He is not at all concerned about who is lynched Day 1, but very concerned with making sure people are suspicious of me. So now I'm guilty for pushing people I'm suspicious of or pushing my suspicions so that other people see them? What's wrong with that? Again with the pardoner conspiracies, not attempting to push scumreads. I thought this guy was gonna filter dive all game? So me attacking VE for my opinions of him isn't trying to create an argument? VE dies that night as town. Irrelevant, as mafia I would not ever avoid attacking a town player I accused of being scum. WIFOM either way. While I agree that (verbally) attacking or making a case against someone who you intend to kill isn't bad scum play, it doesn't make it great scum play either. A liar who tried to steal pardoner isn't enough for a lynch? Huh? How could that lie possibly be useful? You're right. It couldn't. You're scum. Also, if you're allowed to misread the thread, then I can do it too. Especially when I got to read the thread around 9, 2, 6, 8 and now. | ||
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On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote: I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm. | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:32 TestSubject893 wrote: Ok, I'll read the guide. The fear I have with pushing null reads is that if they turn out to be town it makes me look scummy, and wastes the town's time by making them go after me next. For example, early in this game, when my read on you was null and I pointed that out. You've had me pegged as scummy ever since. Who hasn't he had pegged as scummy at one point or another. | ||
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You bring up my game meta, yet still haven't answered how Mocsta's playing different from his meta. You're indifferent all over the place. You're more than happy to give out your town reads yet don't give a damn about anyone else's and attack Prome for being focused on town reads. | ||
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On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Why does no one pay attention to my cases. Because some people are more focused on jerking each other off and picking on newbies than anything else. I can't wait until I get to be a vig, I'm only going to shoot out of spite. | ||
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On March 03 2013 04:14 layabout wrote: geript if dr.h is scum why did Vayesh(bc) who we know is town and Dr.h have nearly identical reads? Why did he and VE, who we know is town, have some different reads? That's a retarded question. | ||
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No, scum can 'arrive' to the same reads as town. Crazy talk I know right... | ||
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"Oh we were totally on the same page about Prome/Geript/whoever else. That must mean that we're all on the same side." I'm going to go ahead and say that this is the absolute dumbest logic I've seen employed ever in a game. | ||
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Nope, you're logic is bad. It completely ignores the fact that people can come to the same reads from different perspectives. It's just bad. | ||
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On March 03 2013 09:10 Wade Fell wrote: "blazinghand how are you so good" "i was wrong all along and blazinghand was always right" Well 2/3 ain't bad I guess. | ||
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If I find anything productive to say then I'll post it then. Odds are though that I'm just going to stay out of discussion entirely as I think that's likely the most productive thing I can do at this point. | ||
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On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end. There have been lots of little things that have bugged me about WoS. Call it tunneling, call it confirmation bias, call it whatever you want. Now I'll admit that the bolded phrase could be taken to mean, "VE is clearly town." But isn't the simplest way of saying that as doing just that. This phrasing makes it sound to me like he knows the right place to be looking. More to come. | ||
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On March 03 2013 17:51 Mocsta wrote: It is the way he chooses to push his agenda. I think there is a clear difference in that behaviour. Look, there's really not a point. Honestly. My filter looks different at points and in some regards. He can point to size/vets/coaching, you can point to the fact that there's a difference. I can point to the fact in 12 games, I've gotten LVT in 10 of them (one of them I was mafia). Either way, I think that barring something completely crazy I can put the 11nth on the mantle with the rest. So I'd appreciate it if you'd just shut the fuck up about my play entirely as you're literally judging me on the best game I've played and there's no real way to defend myself this game. | ||
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I'm also going to leave alone Dr.H because I'm way too invested (personally) to be able to get an honest read on him. I'll put that my initial thoughts on him were positive until the perceived mayor/pardoner stuff. | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote: If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. [/QUOTE] Yup, I still think WoS is scum. | ||
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On March 03 2013 18:31 Wade Fell wrote: geript my soldier my friend my half asian half black half-eskimo half-werewolf half-brother from another mother you gotta take a chill pill and chillax instead of going all redonkudonk on the mocster don't worry about defending yourself right now, formulate your cases and reads do I know you from somewhere? I have this strange feeling like I know exactly who you are and I hate you, but I'm not quite sure you're who I think you are. Like do you fly around in the middle of a plane sightseeing? | ||
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On March 04 2013 12:36 MilkSuckler wrote: Until that moment is reached.. this reads as a diversion ploy and conspiracy theory (akin to your entire Day1 Filter)... i really hoped we moved beyond this point. Am I the only one who hasn't moved past my day 1 filter? | ||
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So I repeat: [b]LYNCH THEM WITH FIRE[/u] | ||
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On March 04 2013 12:57 Wade Fell wrote: At this point it seems to me that geript is legitimately attempting to troll and be unhelpful, despite the attempts of many to bring out the good in him. huehuehuehuehuehue So the whole "Go be helpful" into "J/K he's totally scum!!!" is a legitimate attempt to bring out the good in me? Nah dude that's total bullshit and you know it. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:07 Wade Fell wrote: Look, I never said I didn't think you were scum. I think I was pretty explicit: I have had a scumread on you. That doesn't mean I was totally sure, so I tried to coax you to talk a bit. You talked, I became more sure you were scum, and every horrible shitbad post you make today only confirms it. Everything I said last night is still true now: if you are mislynched, then as a townie you have a responsibility to use your time wisely. I see you have no interest in doing so. I won't pay any more attention to your whining. As far as I'm concerned getting you lynched is the #1 best use of my time. Barring that I have very little interest in this game. | ||
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2. Seen BH toy with people's emotions before (myself included) to get them fuck shit up in the thread 3. No reason townie reason to play nice then take the hard lynch him with fire approach | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:28 Wade Fell wrote: Also geript my friend let me tell you this If by some stretch of the imagination you flip town, I will peruse your reads, and "cases", the ones you made last night, as well as the other things in your filter, as I do for any flipped townie, in search of the truth. Of course, all this discussion is just academic since you will flip scum. Do you even remember what I flipped last time? | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:38 Wade Fell wrote: What like IRL? I don't play mafia except on TL and IRL. I find that answer highly suspect considering a previous one. | ||
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Final answer? | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah and just to be sure I don't have to listen to him for another day, ##Vote: Geript And I will not be switching my vote: I've made it clear that scum or town, he is messing up the game for the rest of town right now and he needs to be gone. Why do you feel the need to justify your vote when you've been pushing me the whole game? | ||
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Ps. This one doesn't count. | ||
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On March 04 2013 15:44 JungleJorge wrote: If I can prove to logic that someone is scum or sk why should I bother making a case? If I'm a claimed watcher and saw someone making a kill must I do it too? Anyway just go ahead and lynch geript. I see nothing whatsoever that warrants suspicion on him. When he flips town, maybe you will drop your cocky attitude. I see that RO flipping scum has done nothing to your reading abilities towards my posts. Will you promise to quote Mars Attacks, "This is the president of the United States. I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of 3 branches of the government working for them and that ain't bad." | ||
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On March 04 2013 19:55 Wade Fell wrote: Geript has no tools, no day vigilante shot to wave around, and unlike Prom he is the 4th of 5 scum and cannot afford to go quietly into the night. Well you're at least right about me having no tools. So he feigns anger, but he does it carefully-- no additional information or cases given out, just lashing at the two strongest townies remaining in the game. And geript is no ordinary anger-feigner, he is a skilled technician who works with mental patients-- he can feign anger like no other. Hmmmm, we'll see about how much I've been feigning if I ever become a vig. On March 04 2013 20:10 Wade Fell wrote: As a final note, and this must not be ignored: as it became clear his lynch today is unavoidable, geript has stopped trying to lynch his scumreads and is instead doing anything to avoid getting lynched. If we remember, as N2 drew to an end, geript stated (link) his three scumreads were Aqua, WoS, and one of Hassy/RO/DrH with TMM as potential third-party. As D3 dawned and he realized I was truly against him, he decided that I too was scum. No, my lynch became unavoidable halfway through D2 at the latest. No, at D3 I realized who you are(or who I think you are). Well you're partially right I have stopped trying. So since you're so interested in me doing something productive, I'm not going to. I'm not interested in doing anything that could possibly help someone who is intentionally making a case for a retributive lynch. Quite frankly, the fact that you're making the case should help me when I say: LYNCH THIS MOTHERFUCKER WITH FIRE!!!!! | ||
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What assumptions are you making that you refuse to believe that I'm town? Why do you think that I would be able to fake or feign anger well due to working with psych patients when anger is rarely their primary response? Why would you think that my response would be rational? Why do you feel the need to feel the emotional pull of how I would act as scum in my position but completely shutdown the emotional pull of how I would feel as town? If I'm town isn't lynching anyone preferable to lynching me? How would you feel if multiple people said your play was too stupid to not be scum? How would you feel if its not the first time? How would you feel if the first and last time you got a blue role, you roleclaim because you got roleblocked and would be killed so you roleclaim and people lynch you because there's no way you could be telling the truth? Tell me how'd you feel if in said game you identified the godfather 30 minutes in after 3 posts and no one would believe you? I don't give a damn what you think I am, but I'll be damned if I let you get out of this one unscathed. You'll feel this one because you've wasted my time. | ||
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On March 05 2013 05:25 layabout wrote: seems that way geript you better not be town Why not? You guys have proven that you don't care what I think at all. So I'm not going to give a damn. At least 2 people have thought I'm town. They don't have a reason to defend me. Since the defacto mayor and assistant have shown no interest in when I put in effort, I have no reason to help. If you don't want me to flip town then don't vote to flip me. My bad play is on me. You sticking in your thinking is on you. There's been nothing I could've said for a day and a half now that would change this. Nothing. So you want to get mad at me for flipping town? Get the fuck over it. | ||
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On March 05 2013 06:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Can we have a 24 hour day please? I object to this strongly. | ||
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On March 05 2013 06:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There is absolutely plenty you could have done and said to change peoples minds. I feel 100% comfortable in saying that vets looking in and watching on this game would agree with me. I'm going to go ahead and put all the internet points on a big fat no to that. Perhaps you should count how many people and how many times people flat out said I was the next sure lynch even before Chez had flipped. Trust me, my play was pretty bad this game but it's not all my fault. Hell, most of this D3 is literally because WF asked me to spend time and reinvest in the game with the sole intention of me still being lynched. Why should I do that? Why would my reads matter? Nope, it would've been far better for everyone involved if you guys had just move discussion on and lynched me. | ||
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Mods. Please do not speed up the day as I fully intend to utilize that time to present my case on WoS whether or not the town wants to hear it. If you want to allow them to speed up the day, then you can make that decision as you want. | ||
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On March 05 2013 07:01 layabout wrote:geript if another player was acting the way you are are you seriously saying you wouldn't lynch them? I didn't say that at all and I don't mean that at all. And I'm not blaming you guys for wanting to lynch me OR for voting for me. I'm saying that how I would approach them going into the lynch would've been different. BH's N2 approach would've been perfectly fine had he been upfront about still wanting to lynch me. There's no reason to make it sound otherwise. You guys have (in general) actively or passively been keen to lynch me since what early-mid D2? Don't ask someone to invest into a game that they've already played terribly only to browbeat them for it at each attempt. I've been doing as well as I can to hold it together--and yes, I haven't held it together well at all--and yes, I've lashed out at points. You can still be aggressive in responding to an escalating person; I've done it countless times. But as I said in the previous post game, I find stepping off the gas to be far more effective at reading people than gunning it up to 60. | ||
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1. This is a game of logic and the emotional side should be completely burned down 2. After working in a psych ward and with psych patients/kids, I likely have more skills regarding manipulating people and their emotions I would argue that the game is far more than just pure logic, much like poker it's also a game of psychology. Reading and understanding people's intents. Yes, I'm appealing to emotion, but is there any logical defense of my play? Is there any logical defense of bad play whatsoever? An illogical, nonsensical plea is my best defense right now. I'm asking you to trust me for absolutely no reason and move to lynch your #2 target. For once just don't wholly shut down your emotional side. Regarding 2, it is true that I've gotten better at manipulating people. I'm still not anywhere near as good as the kids whose whole survival has been determined by their ability to read people and give them what they want. Plus, if you really thought that I was as good at playing on people's emotions then I ask you to consider my play. Do you really think that my play has been skillful manipulation of feelings whatsoever? Have I been anything other than a mad bull in a china shop? Can you really think that my play has been anything but the rumblings of an emotionally charged and escalating person? | ||
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On March 05 2013 10:55 The Macho Man wrote: i guess we should just wait howeer geript lasts posts seem to be testing the waters in whether he should bother in making a case or not. that is scummy to me. Is there an actual reason behind this post? | ||
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Please don't treat this as an attempt to delynch myself or try and read into this in any other specific way. | ||
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On March 05 2013 13:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Sorry if you're going to hate me forever for getting you lynched. I don't look down on you at all and I'd hope you can just keep on playing and improving. I'm actually quite sure it has nothing to do with getting me lynched. If that we're the case then if dislike VE and Vayesh as I was on their lists. | ||
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Besides, everything I've written at this point has been ripped to shreds in one way or another. The only thing which anyone even liked was the fourth point re: VE which Doc liked and then dropped once VE made a simple bland response. Doc has essentially made it clear nothing I post is worthwhile. BH says he'll go back and read my thoughts, but considering how my thought process in my experience is rather unique I don't think it would help him at all. Other than just the sheer time commitment it takes me to write up cases (due to the long editing and confirmation process), it's just not worth putting the effort in to just have it rejected. Not to mention the fact that I'd rather not have to revert back to the first or second stage again So eh. | ||
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On March 05 2013 13:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait now I'm confused. Do you hate me too? No, but I still think you're scum. Also, fwiw if I had to wager my 5 internet points, then I'd put them on Hassy flipping 3rd party far before putting them on Hassy flipping scum. | ||
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*buddying *+1 *desire to not be looked at *desire to appear engaged *desire to be noticed without discussed *never taking an actual hard stance *making a case but not pushing it whatsoever *displaced emotions *natural defensiveness without showing same/similiar responses to previous pressure (NMM36) There you go, enjoy. Now I concede and you still have 2 scum and a possible 3rd party to catch. | ||
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On March 05 2013 15:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah last time I sniveled away when under pressure because I had no idea what else to do. This time I'm not. BRING IT MOCSTA BRING IT HARRRRDDDDD Ummmm... Looks like he really wants it Moc. And he wants you to be hard when you bring it. | ||
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On March 05 2013 23:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: Why would you flipping town implicate me at all? I don't get that either. No effect just as my flip has no effect on anyone else. | ||
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On March 06 2013 00:59 layabout wrote: Milksucler, sk must shoot and shot can't be blocked day1 scum KP 2 vivax kp 1, sk kp 1?? 2 townies die, protect on toad vivax roleblocked day2 scum KP 1 vivax kp 1 sk kp 1?? 1 scum dies, no town protects that we know of but what if vivax is the sk? well if that were the case vivax has given scum the power to get him lynched whenever they want. Please tell me why a SK can't attack themselves at night? They can't die and it doesn't hurt. | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I've also started to think we need to punish bad town play more. People like grush57 surviving to endgame is an atrocity and having this attitude of "Well, that's just what he does" is really hurting TL Mafia as a whole. If the level of play is going to increase, resulting in better and more entertaining games, there has to be punishment for effortless and bad play and not permissiveness. If not lynches, then temporary bans or forcing these players to play with a coach/shadow in their next game. All for this, even if it forces me to shadow for a while. | ||
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