This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia - Page 90

On February 26 2013 06:07 zarepath wrote:
I'm going to be mostly AFK for the rest of the Night so here are some reads/suspicions for the moment.

Hapa
The very first thing he does is claim town, which I really dislike.
Proposes a policy.
Suggests that all Cora wants to do is call Sylencia a dick... stoking the flames
The 180 on iamp with not a lot of justification

In the end he makes a fairly good defense (last post in his filter). The iamp 180 does look awful, but I can see the reasoning behind it.

Oats
Super spastic. Tons of questions. The other game I've played with Oats, this is how he played Day 1 in order to get information/discussion flowing. I am pretty sure that is his tactic now. But if literally zero cases or reads come out of it, his behavior is going to look scummy in retrospect.

Keirathi
Somebody else who soft-claimed town immediately, a thing I hate. Supposedly caught up with the thread but hasn't made his presence known in any substantial way. He needs to have opinions or something.

Dienosore
I feel like he is the stuffed animal of this game of mafia. He is cute and friendly and makes sweet pictures and hard to hate, but when night strikes he turns into an Agent of Evil and creepily plots our demise. Okay, so not really. His picture is potentially helpful/useful, and I like his tone, but he has really gone out of his way to talk about how friendly he is, which strikes me a little bit of Stranger In An Unmarked Van syndrome. He opts to be the nice welcoming guy to Cora when everyone else is finding excuses to hate him, and it just makes my heart swell. Then in his defense of his defense of Cora, he mentions multiple times how friendly he is. Why is he so concerned with looking friendly? Town doesn't need to worry how they look, just what they accomplish. Note that he also went out of his way to express how he is NOT good at catching scum. Why would town advertise that? Don't they want their arguments to hold sway?

I want to see more of his conclusions from his mapping; undoubtedly several occur to him while he does the research.

Adam
What does Adam think about people not named Dienosore? Hard to tell.

Snarfs
Unless Snarfs has been mafia a million times in a row, his first line was a super annoying soft-town-claim that is not justified, in my opinion. Now that he's caught up I wonder what his other thoughts are.

Sylencia
I mentioned this earlier, but Sylencia looks the scummiest right now of all of the players. Others have contributed less/none, but the few things Sylencia has popped in to post fall easily under the Scum Motivated category. He has more work to do to stop looking scummy than anybody else. Just check his filter and the case makes itself.

iamperfection
His player list comment (assuming town will have the good players for some reason) sounds awful but when looked at, I can understand how it's simply just saying that there are so many good players we're bound to have at least one as town. His logic fails to account for the fact that mafia will also have good players, so it's not like town will now have it easy .

He calls someone town REALLY early in the game, which something you can usually only do with confidence when you are scum.

He calls Snarfs scummy also very early in the game, then tells other people to discuss it. I think this is kind of null, but worth bringing up because it was a unique read.

He goes out of his way to answer for corazon, tell him who is scum. I don't know that I can see scum acting this... forwardly. He is unforgiving in his opinions and doesn't really bend at all to town, and he just has this weird vibe. I get a sense of unique thoughts coming from this man. He gives a bunch of town reads, which is apparently something he just does.

This man is a Wild Card. I think I like him. (And I can also understand how someone would be certain that he's scum and then suddenly decide he's no longer scum.)

On February 26 2013 23:35 zarepath wrote:
I can't believe this happened. This seems far from the best duel we could have set up today. Thrawn switches his suspicions YET AGAIN:



And then he bounces from hapa/acro to FOR SURE wanting to duel... Keirathi? But not to the point of ACTUALLY dueling him... just to the point of asking what OTHER people think about him dueling him. And his case came down to Keirathi only having a case against Thrawn based on meta... but isn't that, like, every single person in the thread? Everyone is surprised at Thrawn's performance this game based on his meta. Why isn't Snarf's tenuous Thrawn case scummier than Keirathi's?



So why Keirathi? Why all the bravado about volunteering to be a duelist? No townie should want to be a duelist unless they feel super confident in their read -- at which point, they just ##Duel, not ask "DAE think my latest/greatest soft read is scum???"

And in the end, he doesn't even have to do it. Thrawn made out like a BANDIT with this duel.

I know I should be talking about adam/kier right now, but HOLY COW so many people got out of this one super well, including all of the lurkers/low contributors. All Sylencia has to do is vote and justify it; he doesn't have to forward unique reads on anybody but the two people. We could have spent 24 hours testing low contributors and seeing who their reads are when it has to be out of 11 other people, instead of just out of a pool of 2. Our ability to gain information has been CRIPPLED by a premature duel. We CANNOT do this again tomorrow.

Marv was killed for his analysis, and his number one scum read was Thrawn.... and he's not even up for a duel? Even Thrawn himself seemed fatalistic about it (which isn't very townie IMO), and the fact he was "rescued" from this duel super early in the day is incredibly anti-town.

On February 27 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote:
@Thrawn:

It's pretty clear why I didn't vote for Adam -- I explain it right at the end of my post. Because this format works off instant majority and not a time frame, there is no way to unvote out of a majority should something big come up that shakes everything up. I would rather wait for everyone to chime in before I place my actual vote, because if I contribute to an instant majority, I basically let half of town get out of this entire cycle without having to make a stake on anything.

So yes, my vote will be on Adam, but not yet.

On February 28 2013 01:38 zarepath wrote:
Acro, you ARE INSANE. Why do you believe both to be scum??? One of them DUELED the other when somebody else was already WILLING to. Why in the world would scum duel each other day 1?

Double-lynching when one of the people dueled the other of his own volition is idiotic in this game. Anyone who is either not voting or is voting specifically for a double-lynch need to realize that they are relying completely on mafia being utterly retarded and not playing to their win condition in any way.

On February 25 2013 16:37 yamato77 wrote:
For reference, I'm going to post my list of reads of the game right now. I don't really care if people think I'm right or wrong, but I'll include most relevant alignment indicative information to go along with it.

TOWN

Town criteria vary from person to person, and a lot of quick town reads I get are based on meta or simple activity in conjunction with meta. For some players, these things don't apply so much, so I judge them based on reads. You guys can figure out which ones of these I get how, because I hate telling people why I have a town read on them, in general.

Marv
Corazon
Adam
Iamp
Dienosore
Oats

NULL

These players either haven't posted enough or are posting things that don't give me an alignment feel of them. Obviously.

Snarfs
Acrofales <----- Look at this right here
Keirathi
Zarepath
Alderan
Sylencia

Lots of lurky fuckers so far this game and one ambiguous dude.

MAFIA

HAPA



A lot of his early posting was devoted to arguing with me about the setup, which many people did, but the way he did it bothered me, and it is exemplified in this post. He parroted Marvellosity a lot and generally tried to follow him. Example:



First he makes this post, asking Marv to expand on Cora, and Marv does. What is interesting here is Hapa's next move:



He begins a line of questioning with Cora, presumably with a negative attitude toward him. How does he follow up?



Meekly. So far a lot of his posting is this kind of thing, where he mildly scolds a player (myself, Corazon, etc) for doing something vaguely anti-town. He doesn't seem particularly interested in finding mafia, just with appearing to do so with vague questions that he never really pushes, such as this:



He comments on things in people's play, but I haven't seen him make a real comment about alignment aside from iamperfection yet this game, and I'm not at all sold on that idea. I don't believe Hapahauli is concerned with finding mafia, but I do think he's doing a particularly good job blending in by asking a lot of questions and being mildly active. His mafia meta is somewhat close to this, if I remember Dessert correctly, so I'm interested to see how it develops. So far, he's been different from the town-leader Hapahauli that I am used to seeing.

THRAWN

Mostly a meta read, to be honest. In Normal Mini IV, iamperfection accurately categorized thrawn's mafia play as lurky, and successfully lynched him on that idea. So far he's been fairly lurky, and what he has posted doesn't exactly inspire confidence in me with the idea that he's town. His biggest interaction is with Oats, and I don't see where he reaches any sort of conclusion about Oats in it.

Also of note is his "scum read" on iamp, which he has wholly failed to justify beyond:



and



To me, that's not exactly evidence of strong scumhunting. Perhaps time will flesh this out, but right now I'm not impressed.

Anyway, it's early and a bunch of people have yet to post but that's where I sit right now. I'm going to bed. I'll be sporadically active the next couple of days, but I'll have enough time to catch some mafia for sure.