This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia - Page 89

On March 02 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hapa, I'm serious, do you want to duel?

On March 02 2013 16:35 Hapahauli wrote:


That's what I'm trying to decide right now. You're not responding to this like I would have expected scum-Thrawn to tbh.

I still can't for the life of me see why you wouldn't take the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone.

On March 02 2013 16:34 Adam4167 wrote:


I dispute this point.

Two people were calling Deino town and 'top 4 town' at the end of N0.

Go filter dive if you cant remember who they were.

They're the two last scum by the way.

On February 26 2013 07:40 Snarfs wrote:
As of now, I'd support a Keirathi/Hapa duel. I need to read more from thrawn as it's still just a weird feeling about him, nothing concrete. I haven't read yamato's case on him yet, it was a bit too long and I didn't have time.

I agree Dein also looks flimsy but these two are my biggest concerns. Especially Keirathi's "catch up on the thread" followed by essentially mimicing + buddying marv:

On February 27 2013 04:59 Snarfs wrote:
Consider this a vote for Keirathi. I'm not going to be pressured into pushing us closer to a lynch when we need the time. I don't particularly trust everyone else to "stall for time".

On March 02 2013 17:33 yamato77 wrote:
I am not mafia, lol.

I'll duel tomorrow and prove it. Give me Acro, I will dismantle him.

Hapa, too. I think they are the likely mafia here.

On March 02 2013 19:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh damn yamato... could you be scum?

yeah I think he is. i'm tired right now so making a big fancy case is too much work. i'll do it later.

if you wanna know why he's scum, look at his filter starting here

read how his reads change from when keir first got called out, till right before adam's duel, and to after the duel. look at the justification yamato uses to lynch adam instead of keir. yamato went from wanting someone to hang keir, to voting to lynch the person that hanged keir. that in of itself is a good enough reason to put him on the stand tomorrow

On February 26 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote:

Honestly, I want to see Keir hang. Someone make it happen. Sylencia is another one I could live without right now. My null reads from earlier have returned to the thread and done fuck all to make me think they're townie. Time's a wastin'

On February 26 2013 16:05 yamato77 wrote:
"Not seeing town motivation" is not the same as "seeing scum motivation". A point I learned well lately. You'll have to do better than that to justify a red read on Adam, Keir.

On February 26 2013 17:34 yamato77 wrote:
What I fail to see the town motivation in here is Adam wanting to cut off all discussion about the read in general. Keir's last point he made was actually a salient one, that Adam professing his own towniness over his actions is a scummy thing to do. I really don't want to lynch him now that I understand his thought process about this read, because while I initially disagreed, it seems more likely now that this might be the case.

I don't think a town Adam has as little forethought as to make a decision like this one and duel someone on a whim. While I proclaimed that I would duel my scum reads, I never intended to do so unless I felt like it was necessary to secure a lynch, which is not how I think the situation was playing out today, lest I would have done so myself. This action is quite anti-town.

However, it does make a lot of sense if Adam is mafia, because this has pro-mafia written all over it. Over-aggressive, OMGUS, and discussion haltering in nature. Also, while he's putting himself on the line, he's doing so IN LINE WITH THREAD SENTIMENT, which was that Keirathi was mafia, and Adam was the town. Just like in Nomination, mafia are wont to do things that seem risky and townie, so long as the real risk is low.

The only reason I honestly thought Adam was town before this was because his mafia reputation is super easy to catch and lurky as fuck. I don't know how to read him now, but I think he's a better lynch than Keir, simply for the act of dueling him right now. If he's town, it was a colossally stupid thing to do, and it doesn't make me any more convinced that Keir is mafia, nor has he done a whole lot of in-depth analysis to prove this point.

##Vote: Adam

On February 27 2013 16:44 yamato77 wrote:
So let me break the game down here, because I have a decent idea of what's going on.

Based on the complete uselessness of both parties involved in this lynch, Adam and Keirathi, I think the likelihood of them both being town is high. Mafia in this position would be more concerned with the possibility of being lynched here, and do something about it. Neither of these players seems to be trying particularly hard to live, so by default they're probably just town. It's unfortunate that one, or perhaps both, might die in this situation, but if I had to pick one, I would pick Adam. Keirathi, I think, is the better town among the two, and could potentially be valuable to us later on if left alive. That said, at this point, it doesn't matter too much to me which one lives, because I don't think either of them is particularly useful this game.

THAT said, I don't want both to die. The mere thought of a double lynch is hilariously stupid in this situation, and I don't like the idea of not choosing either of them at all. Mafia have an unprecedented ability to hide in this situation, because they don't even have to FAKE a read on a player and justify it, they can just say they think they're both worth lynching and not vote, causing a double lynch.

So who is doing this? Iamperfection. I initially thought he was fairly townie, but his interest in this lynch is tremendously low. Like, I don't think he's given a read on either of these people that was longer than a sentence or deeper than "He's mafia because XX and I said so." In fact, that's basically how all of his reads have been so far, town or scum. But what is really damning, to me, is the fact that he's pushing this double lynch thing with no good logic to back it up. Acro, I can believe. Iamp is just kinda on that wagon and has pushed it without a clear motive like Acro's. If these two really are townies, like I think, then mafia is more likely to be disinterested in picking sides, and has clear motivation to want them both dead. It's the same heuristic I used to catch on to Snarfs in Nomination; mafia players don't care which townie dies, and won't spend much effort picking one. Only iamp isn't even picking one. Hilariously scummy.

On February 27 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
Keirathi's play, while indecisive, does not indicate a strong mafia mentality. His Adam read was not in line with thread sentiment, and he was only just in the process of fleshing it out. His time does seem legitimately limited, as Hapa pointed out, which significantly excuses the "scummiest" part of his play; the apparent lack of interest in the game.