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On March 02 2013 02:12 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 02:03 Alderan wrote:
I'm a little confused. Where are all the people pushing for the double lynch last time? This duel seems like a much more worthwhile double lynch. Where's that push? I have explained this already. Last lynch I wanted a double lynch, because I had a strong scumread on Keirathi, which was somewhat mitigated by Adam going crazy and dueling him, but never really went away. I was torn between thinking Adam's duel was a VERY anti-town move and my earlier scumread on Keirathi, so kill them both. Then later I still couldn't reconcile Adam's behaviour with him being town, so got a bit caught up in my 3P theory and wanted to lynch him for being 3P (and Keirathi still for being scum). This lynch the only reason to lynch both of them is because we cannot decide who is scum. I realize that that is a terrible reason for double-lynching and I should have realized that on D1 before my 3P theory came into play, but I guess my anger at Adam clouded my judgement. So... unless I think both are scum, I am no longer a fan of double lynching, and I agree with Adam that it is pretty unlikely they're both scum. Anyway, I've caught up on Dieno and Sylencia's filter and found nothing new. I am up for lynching Dieno. However, I do still want to hear from Zarepath and Snarfs what their opinions are, so lets lay off on the voting.
I wasn't referring to you necessarily, and I forgot that iamp was one of the other big proponents and he's dead now too.
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Actually, there's some more stuff I want to know... and I am backpedalling on that town tell for Cora. There's just too much in his filter that doesn't add up. Particularly, his stance on Dieno.
@Cora: what is your read on Dieno and why?
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What Alderan? Then why bring that up?
Also you clearly have scum reads on both, by saying that today's double lynch was more worthwhile.
So if they are worthwhile, why arent you pushing the double lynch?
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@ Oats
I don't have scum reads on both.
If posed with the situation on day 1 would I rather double lynch Keir and Adam or Syl and Dieno I would have chosen Syl and Dieno. That said I still don't advocate double lynches. I think only VERY RARELY are they ever good policy.
I think of the two right now Dieno is more scummy than Syl. As such I will be voting Dieno whenever we think that it's time.
It's not hard mate. You just have to read and use your head.
If you think I'm scum then make the case, if you don't stop wasting my time.
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Then why did you bring it up in the first place?
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On March 02 2013 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Then why did you bring it up in the first place?
I found it interesting that the double lynch was all the rage last time, but this time it's being completely left out for the most part. The only person advocating it being Thrawn. That is partly because iamp is already dead so the point actually doesn't have as much relevance as I originally thought it did.
That said, it's still infinitely more relevant than whatever point you're trying to make with this line of questioning.
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So what do you think about acro's reply to it?
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The thing about Acrofales is that in order to believe that he is town, you have to actually accept that he genuinely believed Adam was 3p and that motivated his suspicious actions. Still wrapping my head around it, but he's been pro-town in his discussion as of late and as such shouldn't be terribly high on the priority list, especially with only hours until the end of this lynch.
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On March 02 2013 03:30 Alderan wrote:
The thing about Acrofales is that in order to believe that he is town, you have to actually accept that he genuinely believed Adam was 3p and that motivated his suspicious actions. Still wrapping my head around it, but he's been pro-town in his discussion as of late and as such shouldn't be terribly high on the priority list, especially with only hours until the end of this lynch.
And to believe I'm scum you have to believe that I came up with some crazy screwball theory that drew all the attention to myself to be able to push a double-lynch. And all of that, while it was a bus in the first place which I could have ridden to easy town credit by simply never questioning Adam's scummyness, because I already HAD the scum read on Keirathi.
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On March 02 2013 02:12 Acrofales wrote:
Anyway, I've caught up on Dieno and Sylencia's filter and found nothing new. I am up for lynching Dieno. However, I do still want to hear from Zarepath and Snarfs what their opinions are, so lets lay off on the voting.
I've already said I'm voting Dieno. Just waiting for zare's input as well.
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On March 02 2013 04:04 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 02:12 Acrofales wrote:
Anyway, I've caught up on Dieno and Sylencia's filter and found nothing new. I am up for lynching Dieno. However, I do still want to hear from Zarepath and Snarfs what their opinions are, so lets lay off on the voting. I've already said I'm voting Dieno. Just waiting for zare's input as well.
We're at 5 votes right now correct?
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On March 02 2013 04:11 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 04:04 Snarfs wrote:On March 02 2013 02:12 Acrofales wrote:
Anyway, I've caught up on Dieno and Sylencia's filter and found nothing new. I am up for lynching Dieno. However, I do still want to hear from Zarepath and Snarfs what their opinions are, so lets lay off on the voting. I've already said I'm voting Dieno. Just waiting for zare's input as well. We're at 5 votes right now correct?
4? Adam thrawn oats Yamato for dieno; Cora for syl if I can count.
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What's the rush? I want to hear what Cora and zare have to say? We have another 24 hours or so.
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##Vote: Dienosore
I'm going to be away for the next couple hours, you guys hammer when ready.
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On March 02 2013 04:25 Acrofales wrote:
What's the rush? I want to hear what Cora and zare have to say? We have another 24 hours or so.
Dont want to not get a vote in, gonna be gone for a while
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On March 02 2013 04:25 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 04:25 Acrofales wrote:
What's the rush? I want to hear what Cora and zare have to say? We have another 24 hours or so. Dont want to not get a vote in, gonna be gone for a while
Why do you feel it's so important that it's your vote? Is your vote more valuable than the next player's?
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Duel 2 Vote Count
Dienosore (5): Oatsmaster, Alderan, thrawn, Adam, yamato
Sylencia (1): Corazon
6 votes needed to lynch. If a majority is not reached in 28 hours, both duelists will die.
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I don't think we're going to get much earth-shattering information out of this duel at this point.
Dieno needs to die. If he's not mafia, I will personally be surprised at how little effort he has put into this game.
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Here's my desired order of how I want this lynch to go down:
Double Lynch
Sylencia
Dieno
Why do I still want the double lynch so badly? There are a couple of reasons for it:
First of all, I think that Sylencia and Dieno have played really similar games. They've both lurked heavily throughout the first part of the game. They only talk when asked to come out and talk. They both have given either non-existant or weak scum reads. They've both refused to be pro-active in the scum hunt and let others give and take the heat without doing anything themselves. They're both playing scummy games, to say the least.
Second of all, I think that Dieno's terrible argument on Syl is a ploy. Let's imagine for a minute that the scum team is at least made up of Kei, Syl, and Dieno. They've all set-up absolutely terrible N0's and D1's so far, and they've already lost a teammate. It would be hard for them to get town cred by giving reads out because we could just sit there and say that they gave them to us because we asked for them. Since it was pretty obvious that we've had our hearts set out on a Dieno/Syl duel today, they decided that that one of them would bus the other. Dieno then goes on to make a really weak argument against Syl to look like he's really scum. If we vote Dieno off and he does flip scum, Syl gets a clean slate from everyone. He's allowed to sit here and make a terrible association case that I'm scum based off of Dieno's flip and the chain of association cases (him assuming Dieno's alignment ≠ Syl's Alignment ≠ my alignment, which means I would be whatever Dieno flipped). I believe that it's just a ploy to give Syl town cred and allow him to make up for his crappy play just because he dueled a scum and won.
Third of all, if we just lynch Dieno, we still have the question of me and Syl. I'm not suggesting it's an information lynch if we kill Sylencia, I'm saying that if we do not kill off Sylencia, we are going to sit here and waste a duel (and give the scum and extra NK) trying to find scum between Sylencia and I. If we lynch Syl and he flips green, I'm going to be the next one to duel that other possible scum that is in one of the more active townies and get the scum hunt going, instead of spending 2 days pondering the Cora vs. Sylencia debate. It's not an information lynch, it's a time-saving lynch.
In other words, a Dieno lynch would leave us with more questions than a Syl or double lynch would.
If I was scum, I would not be pushing this aggressive for Syl's lynch. I would be sitting here and milking my scumread of Syl so I could keep the rest of you from voting me out while I try to stay alive as much as possible. I would not have been the first one to suggest a Syl/Dieno duel. I'm sticking my neck out here because I have a big feeling that Syl is scum. I'm a bit disappointed that all of my work is going to just be ignored because Dieno makes one crappy argument about Syl and I don't understand why said crappy argument is giving everyone a town read on Syl when he's playing just as scummy as Dieno.
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Dieno's argument has absolutely nothing to do with why people don't want to lynch Sylencia.
You have a few more hours to convince me that Sylencia's play is so completely different from his play in NMM 37 that it makes him scum, even if I believe Dieno is also scum.
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