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On March 02 2013 05:44 Acrofales wrote:
Dieno's argument has absolutely nothing to do with why people don't want to lynch Sylencia.
You have a few more hours to convince me that Sylencia's play is so completely different from his play in NMM 37 that it makes him scum, even if I believe Dieno is also scum.
Why would anyone with a town win-con try to emulate Syl's game from NMM 37, especially Syl himself?
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You act as if changing your playstyle is easy. He played that way in 32, 33 and 37. Have you seen any indication of him changing his style?
Plenty of players around who are complete lynchbait. Is it much fun to try and figure them out? No. But it's part of the game.
Do I have a town read on Sylencia? No. He's pretty damned null. However, Adam is right that scum bussing eachother right now seems unlikely. Particularly for 2 inexperienced and lurky scummers. So as long as I have a scumread on Dieno, I am going to need a scumread on Sylencia to want to lynch him. Null just doesn't cut it.
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On March 02 2013 06:08 Acrofales wrote:
You act as if changing your playstyle is easy.
I'm pretty sure actually trying to post and trying to scumhunt is not a hard thing to do...
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Tell that to... oh, I dunno. Grush. Some people never change.
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On March 02 2013 06:17 Acrofales wrote:
Tell that to... oh, I dunno. Grush. Some people never change.
I just don't understand why everyone says they think Syl is scummy and then when it comes time to vote they don't even want to vote for him...
Obviously Dieno is playing really scummy too but a double lynch is still an option.
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i don't want dieno to get hammered yet
##unvote
at least like 12 more hours
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Hhonestly guys, I haven't had time today to keep up on the thread. I see a really easy Dieno lynch, and before the duel that would have been my inclination, but now I kind of want to double lynch just to be sure. Part of me says that we can't afford the potential double-mislynch, but even then we'd know exactly who to look at from there. And I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum.
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On March 02 2013 07:00 zarepath wrote:
Hhonestly guys, I haven't had time today to keep up on the thread. I see a really easy Dieno lynch, and before the duel that would have been my inclination, but now I kind of want to double lynch just to be sure. Part of me says that we can't afford the potential double-mislynch, but even then we'd know exactly who to look at from there. And I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum.
which one of them... what are you going to do... etc
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On March 02 2013 07:00 zarepath wrote:
Hhonestly guys, I haven't had time today to keep up on the thread. I see a really easy Dieno lynch, and before the duel that would have been my inclination, but now I kind of want to double lynch just to be sure. Part of me says that we can't afford the potential double-mislynch, but even then we'd know exactly who to look at from there. And I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum.
We'd know exactly who to look at? Who?
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In fact, that whole Zarepath post makes me think he's scum and wants to steer this ship into a double mislynch. But lets verify that by killing Dieno.
1. The reads don't add up. Firstly he says he prefers Dieno. Why? He's been after Sylencia's blood all game, yet somehow before the duel started his strongest scumread flipped to Dieno. And something since the duel started has made him less sure of Dieno. It just all seems like a hastily thrown together justification for wanting to double-lynch.
There is no reasoning and it doesn't add up with his earlier ideas.
2. "We'd know exactly who to look at from there". Lets say we double-lynch and they both flip town. Honestly, it would rock my world way too much and I have no clue who I'd look at. Except now Zarepath.
The whole post reaks of scum trying to justify being absent all day and needing to come up with the vagues possible reason to throw his weight behind a lynch.
This is true regardless of what colour Dieno flips. The post just screams scum. It screams "I don't care what happens with this lynch". That is scummy even if Dieno is scum, because with the thread sentiment it's clear he cannot save Dieno.
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On March 02 2013 07:43 Acrofales wrote:
In fact, that whole Zarepath post makes me think he's scum and wants to steer this ship into a double mislynch. But lets verify that by killing Dieno.
1. The reads don't add up. Firstly he says he prefers Dieno. Why? He's been after Sylencia's blood all game, yet somehow before the duel started his strongest scumread flipped to Dieno. And something since the duel started has made him less sure of Dieno. It just all seems like a hastily thrown together justification for wanting to double-lynch.
There is no reasoning and it doesn't add up with his earlier ideas.
2. "We'd know exactly who to look at from there". Lets say we double-lynch and they both flip town. Honestly, it would rock my world way too much and I have no clue who I'd look at. Except now Zarepath.
The whole post reaks of scum trying to justify being absent all day and needing to come up with the vagues possible reason to throw his weight behind a lynch.
This is true regardless of what colour Dieno flips. The post just screams scum. It screams "I don't care what happens with this lynch". That is scummy even if Dieno is scum, because with the thread sentiment it's clear he cannot save Dieno.
And I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch?
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On March 02 2013 07:49 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 07:43 Acrofales wrote:
In fact, that whole Zarepath post makes me think he's scum and wants to steer this ship into a double mislynch. But lets verify that by killing Dieno.
1. The reads don't add up. Firstly he says he prefers Dieno. Why? He's been after Sylencia's blood all game, yet somehow before the duel started his strongest scumread flipped to Dieno. And something since the duel started has made him less sure of Dieno. It just all seems like a hastily thrown together justification for wanting to double-lynch.
There is no reasoning and it doesn't add up with his earlier ideas.
2. "We'd know exactly who to look at from there". Lets say we double-lynch and they both flip town. Honestly, it would rock my world way too much and I have no clue who I'd look at. Except now Zarepath.
The whole post reaks of scum trying to justify being absent all day and needing to come up with the vagues possible reason to throw his weight behind a lynch.
This is true regardless of what colour Dieno flips. The post just screams scum. It screams "I don't care what happens with this lynch". That is scummy even if Dieno is scum, because with the thread sentiment it's clear he cannot save Dieno. And I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch?
Do you have a town read on Zarepath?
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On March 02 2013 08:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 07:49 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 02 2013 07:43 Acrofales wrote:
In fact, that whole Zarepath post makes me think he's scum and wants to steer this ship into a double mislynch. But lets verify that by killing Dieno.
1. The reads don't add up. Firstly he says he prefers Dieno. Why? He's been after Sylencia's blood all game, yet somehow before the duel started his strongest scumread flipped to Dieno. And something since the duel started has made him less sure of Dieno. It just all seems like a hastily thrown together justification for wanting to double-lynch.
There is no reasoning and it doesn't add up with his earlier ideas.
2. "We'd know exactly who to look at from there". Lets say we double-lynch and they both flip town. Honestly, it would rock my world way too much and I have no clue who I'd look at. Except now Zarepath.
The whole post reaks of scum trying to justify being absent all day and needing to come up with the vagues possible reason to throw his weight behind a lynch.
This is true regardless of what colour Dieno flips. The post just screams scum. It screams "I don't care what happens with this lynch". That is scummy even if Dieno is scum, because with the thread sentiment it's clear he cannot save Dieno. And I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch? Do you have a town read on Zarepath?
No not really, I've kind of grouped him in with the other two when it comes to their play (especially the lurking). But the fact that you think he's scummy for wanting a double lynch and that I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch is a bit inconsistent. However, you probably have good reasons for it.
If you only lynch Dieno are you going to just ignore me and Syl and go after Zare next?
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On March 02 2013 08:47 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 08:03 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2013 07:49 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 02 2013 07:43 Acrofales wrote:
In fact, that whole Zarepath post makes me think he's scum and wants to steer this ship into a double mislynch. But lets verify that by killing Dieno.
1. The reads don't add up. Firstly he says he prefers Dieno. Why? He's been after Sylencia's blood all game, yet somehow before the duel started his strongest scumread flipped to Dieno. And something since the duel started has made him less sure of Dieno. It just all seems like a hastily thrown together justification for wanting to double-lynch.
There is no reasoning and it doesn't add up with his earlier ideas.
2. "We'd know exactly who to look at from there". Lets say we double-lynch and they both flip town. Honestly, it would rock my world way too much and I have no clue who I'd look at. Except now Zarepath.
The whole post reaks of scum trying to justify being absent all day and needing to come up with the vagues possible reason to throw his weight behind a lynch.
This is true regardless of what colour Dieno flips. The post just screams scum. It screams "I don't care what happens with this lynch". That is scummy even if Dieno is scum, because with the thread sentiment it's clear he cannot save Dieno. And I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch? Do you have a town read on Zarepath? No not really, I've kind of grouped him in with the other two when it comes to their play (especially the lurking). But the fact that you think he's scummy for wanting a double lynch and that I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch is a bit inconsistent. However, you probably have good reasons for it. If you only lynch Dieno are you going to just ignore me and Syl and go after Zare next?
I'm still trying to figure out why you think everyone else thinks either you or Syl must be mafia.
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On March 02 2013 08:47 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 08:03 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2013 07:49 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 02 2013 07:43 Acrofales wrote:
In fact, that whole Zarepath post makes me think he's scum and wants to steer this ship into a double mislynch. But lets verify that by killing Dieno.
1. The reads don't add up. Firstly he says he prefers Dieno. Why? He's been after Sylencia's blood all game, yet somehow before the duel started his strongest scumread flipped to Dieno. And something since the duel started has made him less sure of Dieno. It just all seems like a hastily thrown together justification for wanting to double-lynch.
There is no reasoning and it doesn't add up with his earlier ideas.
2. "We'd know exactly who to look at from there". Lets say we double-lynch and they both flip town. Honestly, it would rock my world way too much and I have no clue who I'd look at. Except now Zarepath.
The whole post reaks of scum trying to justify being absent all day and needing to come up with the vagues possible reason to throw his weight behind a lynch.
This is true regardless of what colour Dieno flips. The post just screams scum. It screams "I don't care what happens with this lynch". That is scummy even if Dieno is scum, because with the thread sentiment it's clear he cannot save Dieno. And I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch? Do you have a town read on Zarepath? No not really, I've kind of grouped him in with the other two when it comes to their play (especially the lurking). But the fact that you think he's scummy for wanting a double lynch and that I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch is a bit inconsistent. However, you probably have good reasons for it. If you only lynch Dieno are you going to just ignore me and Syl and go after Zare next?
If you had read that post you would see that it's not the double lynch I find scummy.
It all depends on what Dieno flips. If he flips green I will really have to reevaluate things. Syl jumps back onto the scumlist, but Alderan needs to be looked at with a magnifying glass as well in that case. I haven't made up my mind on Zarepath, but that post was terrible and put him back on the map, after I had a bit of a town read on him yesterday for actively scumhunting. That post was pretty much the opposite of scumhunting.
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Really?
+ Show Spoiler +On February 28 2013 15:31 Hapahauli wrote:
People Who Voted Adam ( Sylencia + Dienosaur) They've played almost identically so far: they've done a whole lot of nothing in the early game, then plopped an early vote on Adam at the beginning of the voting cycle, then proceeded to do much of nothing until now. They're both lurkers who haven't made any significant commitments and had their vote in awful places. I want both of them to duel tomorrow, and I'd push for a double-lynch unless I get convinced that one of them is town. People who SWITCHED from Adam to Kei ( Yamato + Oatsmaster + Corazon) CorazonPretty simple. Starts the day off on Adam: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=38#747Then spends a lot of time going after Syl. What's notable, is that Corazon really never bothers to analyze Kei's filter. His attitude on Kei is one of neutrality and hesitation: Show nested quote +I'm not convinced enough on Kei to see him die now. I was only ok with him dueling if it was because Thrawn picked him. I see a lot more scum motivation behind Adam's rashness. The fact that the votes already given out so far are all around the board mean that the chances of a scum being here is pretty high. I hate heroes anyways. Eventually when opinions of the town start to shift, Corazon arrives at the idea that both Adam and Kei are town... due to Sylencia's vote on Adam?!?!?!? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=48#956He argues that Sylencia being non-committal makes both of them not scum, which makes zero sense. It's not scumhunting, it's a complete cop-out from doing any analysis Then shortly after, there's his vote post: Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 05:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oh I read Yamato's post as 2 people...
Fuck it, I'm tired of sitting here and posturing for the next day. If Kei flips town I just know my agenda is going to be set back for a really long time...but I refuse to see a double lynch.
##unvote
##Vote: Kei Why would a townie care about "posturing" for tomorrow? A townie wants to hunt and kill scum. I don't think he's talking about "posturing" of other townies either, since he mentions an agenda. This also makes no sense - why would Kei flipping town set back his agenda of lynching Syl? In fact Kei flipping town would seemingly confirm his theory that Syl's indecision = both Adam/Kei are town. So Corazon's actions line up with mafia objectives, and his switch onto Kei is very suspect. He never gives a strong opinion on Kei, and his vote-post is nonsensical. On March 01 2013 04:07 Acrofales wrote:
Cora: the early impression I got that he was actively trying to figure stuff out is kinda gone. He falls in the group of people who are wishy-washy on the lynch vote. He wants to kill Adam, but thinks both are probably town. However, I really disliked his answer to why he was voting alongside his strongest scumread. If you have a town read on both and a scumread on your fellow voter, why not switch to the other townie (unless he thought Sylencia was bussing)? Now that that other guy has flipped red, it looks pretty bad.
Sylencia: would have been surefire scum, but I can't shake the feeling that he's just lurky town caught on the wrong end of the lynch. He needs to be forced into the spotlight, and I think he'll show red. However, it is very hard to discern his playstyle this game from his play last game, where he was town.
IMPORTANT: Sylencia and Cora are not scum together. There is no way they have set up this double bus, given Sylencia's activity level and the early death of Keirathi.
On March 01 2013 01:58 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, based just off of votes, scum likelihood from my perspective is like this (in descending order):
Dienosore
Sylencia
Corazon
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Cora, move on. Everybody else has. Shit gets reevaluated all the time. Lets assume Dieno flips scum. You think Syl is also scum. That leaves one more. Who is the last scum?
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On March 02 2013 09:27 Acrofales wrote:
Cora, move on. Everybody else has. Shit gets reevaluated all the time. Lets assume Dieno flips scum. You think Syl is also scum. That leaves one more. Who is the last scum?
Are we also assuming there is 4 scum?
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On March 02 2013 09:35 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:27 Acrofales wrote:
Cora, move on. Everybody else has. Shit gets reevaluated all the time. Lets assume Dieno flips scum. You think Syl is also scum. That leaves one more. Who is the last scum? Are we also assuming there is 4 scum?
For the moment I am.
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