Adam, why are you taking Syl's first action of the game and calling him town off of it? It's literally like you are rewinding to last Sunday and taking your Sunday reads on Syl and posting them today. Your reasoning does not explain his behavior for the other 85% of the game that has elapsed since he made those first comments.

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

March 01 2013 06:40 GMT

#1564

It just doesn't fit Cora, he just doesn't fit in the scum team.

I know you want him dead so badly, but strategically for him and dieno to both be scum, they're declaring they're throwing this game and killing off two of their members for zero gain.

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

March 01 2013 06:45 GMT

#1565

Alllllll right. Miss a day and there are only 296 posts to catch up on. Jesus, I'll do what I can T_T.

Acrofales

Spain18277 Posts

March 01 2013 08:22 GMT

#1566

This is ridiculous: it's 5 AM here and I just woke up for no good reason, except that I wanted to catch up on the thread (and I was cold, but I couldn't get back to sleep because I wanted to catch up on the thread).

Rant off.

Adam is making way too much sense this game. I retract my 3P suspicions. It's still possible he's taking a page from my CT playbook, but I am going to follow the advice I should have taken ages ago. KISS: Adam is town. Also, there's only one scumteam due to missing KP.

Adam's explanation for why only one of Dieno and Syl is scum is also making sense. Not quite sure whom yet. Dieno took all that time I was asleep and didn't produce a single read. His main scumspect has switched from Oats, to Cora, to Syl for what appears to be no real reason.

On the other hand, Syl hasn't done anything at all either. Atm I'd lean towards lynching Dieno. Consider this a vote on him for now. However, I am not fully convinced and we have plenty of time. Lets give it a bit more.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 01 2013 08:35 GMT

#1567

acro, i looked at syl's other games, and i'm inclined to think you could make a case for him being scum based on meta

do you agree/disagree with this?

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

March 01 2013 08:38 GMT

#1568

Why dont you just make the case thrawn?

Acrofales

Spain18277 Posts

March 01 2013 08:48 GMT

#1569

@Adam: Syl just got done in a game where Cora was "useful" to scum, because he was screwing up any town atmosphere by generally being very angry. He comes into this game and the first thing he does is try to make Cora angry. So do I think a scum Syl would do that? It's possible. It's also possible Syl was just angry at Cora and made a stupid post.

@thrawn: how do you distinguish between 34 and 37. Make a meta case and I'll see if I agree. I've been trying to see the things that really stand out in his scumplay compared to his townplay and don't see anything, except that in 37 he became far more townie when under pressure.

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

March 01 2013 08:53 GMT

#1570

Hmm

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

March 01 2013 09:04 GMT

#1571

Ya. I think Dieno's the right lynch here.

I want to hear more from Sylencia, but Dieno's case on him just seems way too fake. Pretty much everything Dieno's said seems fake.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

March 01 2013 09:05 GMT

#1572

Is that all you got from 247 posts?

Who is scum snarfs and why? You have been not involved in this game and town needs you. Unless you are scum. :D

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

March 01 2013 09:07 GMT

#1573

Also, in regards to yamato's case on Acro: I agree, pretty much entirely.

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

March 01 2013 09:08 GMT

#1574

On March 01 2013 18:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Is that all you got from 247 posts?

Who is scum snarfs and why? You have been not involved in this game and town needs you. Unless you are scum. :D

Sorry Oats, I'm tired and want to go to bed haha.

For now, Dieno.

To look at: Acro, Cora, zarepath.

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

March 01 2013 09:08 GMT

#1575

On March 01 2013 13:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
dienosore, one question:

Give me the most basic statement you can summarizing syl's play, and why you think he's scum. Keep it as short and as to the point as possible.

Idleness and sketchy plays the entire game slowly build up to scumball status.

On March 01 2013 14:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Also DIeno, I need some of your other reads. What's your current view on Oats?

Up until the first duel, I was pretty suspect. Since then, he hasn't really done anything noteworthy, other than pop in from time to time to keeper lurker status off. He seems normal, but every now and then he says something out of line that makes me do a double take. I'm keeping my eye on him for sure, but would I call him a top scum read? Not with much conviction, at least until there is more evidence or he does something blatantly stupid.

Map D1:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://i48.tinypic.com/vyl9px.jpg
Nothing really interesting here that I didn't already pick up on from reading the thread. Very few town reads and lots of poop being thrown around.

- Marv and Snarf have some sort of connection.
- Adam, who is usually lurker supreme, has shown lots of action this game.
- A couple lurkers: Alderan, Zarepath
- A few unburrowed lurkers: Snarf, Keirathi, Thrawn, Sylencia
- Corazon, Marv, and Yamato are at the center of things, with mixed lines from everyone.
- Both Adam and Yamato have cleared Corazon as Towny after much argument.

Map D2:
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http://snaps.htmlchat.net/?img=13030101290739274302z0og
(shitty camera, sry. If you cant read it, just ask and ill tell you what it says)

- Yamato who was super active d1 has shown little activity d2. Same goes for Corazon.
- On the flip side, there has been a big increase of activity from Acro.
- Thrawn showed up briefly to drop a few names, then slinked back to the shadows. Zare did something similar.
- Snarfs has been totally mia

Probably the most interesting thing about the map today is how different it is from d1. Because of this, cross referencing from d1 hasn't yielded many extra insights. Other than myself, syl, and to some extent, Corazon, no one else really seems to be attracting any overwhelming heat.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

March 01 2013 09:17 GMT

#1576

That is nowhere near an argument for me being scum.
It looks like you dont want to back down and call me townie because it draws attention to you for a '180'

##Vote: Dienosore.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 01 2013 09:22 GMT

#1577

I think there's a difference in conviction. As town he lurks and stuff but will still get down to business. This game he's been pouting, not voting based on scum reads (voting to kill the worse town player, adam over keir) and just not having reads in general.

Does anyone know what syl's reads are? (no)

there is some stuff recently about cor, and of course he claims adam is scum. but that's it. oh I was reading the thread and this was funny, and true:

On February 27 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
So you have a null read on him?

Let's forget my meta argument for a second. Let's take a look at what he has done this game:

-Lurked at multiple important points in the game (he has 13 posts when many of us have 60+)
-Many of his posts are short, have no real point, and are of no value to the town
-Promised scum reads but never delivered on them
-Trying to fly under the radar, only brought out when someone asks for it
-Sits on the middle of the fence for this lynch, showing he does not really care about the lynch

It has scum written all over it. Is there anything I'm missing?

If I have to assume that both aren't scum (which i'm conflicted about atm) I am taking syl's side against dieno. kinda waiting for syl to show up before deciding if I want double lynch

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

March 01 2013 09:23 GMT

#1578

I don't want to back down and call you a towny because you aren't playing like a towny, not because I'm scared of a 180.

Acrofales

Spain18277 Posts

March 01 2013 09:23 GMT

#1579

@Snarfs: Yamato gives a hypothetical for why my actions this game can be explained as scum. However, here is a town explanation:

I refused to believe Adam would do something that stupid as town, so I first saw him as scum, and later as a 3P to explain it. I was (probably) wrong.

Now tell me why Yamato's explanation makes more sense and what in my filter actually pushes a scum agenda, rather than a town one.

That, and a ridiculously high standard for my D1 reads are all I have found in anybody's suspicion of me.