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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 17:17 GMT
#641
EBWOP: Started a post a while back, after looking more closely at Hassy.
Fe fi fo fum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 14 2013 17:18 GMT
#642
On February 15 2013 02:14 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 02:09 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 02:07 austinmcc wrote:
I don't love saying Hassy was more active "by a large margin," but for reference: Hassy's filter from the world he started out in in Parallel mafia

At least within his D1, he's actively reading both threads. He discusses the general plan of who to swap where. He asks Foolishness, who was in the other thread, some questions concerning Foolishness's posts. When Darkfire posts his weird claim, Hassy questions Darkfire. When Dieno is being lynched (and after lynch), he's trying to draw conclusions from what was happening.

A lot of his activity was on that first day, and it somewhat tailed off afterwards. I would like to see hassy more active, but I don't currently want to vote him as #1.

then who do you want to kill the most?

I started a post saying gonzaw, but I don't think that's my choice. Pretty sure I'm overvaluing LIX in being willing to lynch him, because there I didn't put enough stock in his activity. Here, he was momentarily Gonzaw after being called out, and then went back to being nothing. That's the same pattern that I didn't value enough in LIX, but the circumstances are also different in that he had a red check there and no red check here.

What I would really like is for Sylencia or Cheesecake to show up and be able to chat with them for like 20 minutes.

I could possibly get behind gonzaw. At first I was against it, but I went back and read Aperture 2 compared to WLIIA. In Aperture, he was thinking about everyone, giving thoughts about everyone, hopping around all over the place. In WLIIA, he focused in on one person (me), and spent the entirety of his time alive talking about me and why I was scum, with very few references towards questioning or commenting on other people.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 17:20 GMT
#643
Keirathi, take a look at randombum if you would, and let me know when you've looked. I'd like to discuss him, but I've been less active here so I'll give my thoughts first and see where you're at.
Fe fi fo fum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 14 2013 17:26 GMT
#644
On February 15 2013 02:20 austinmcc wrote:
Keirathi, take a look at randombum if you would, and let me know when you've looked. I'd like to discuss him, but I've been less active here so I'll give my thoughts first and see where you're at.

I don't really know how to read him. But, his opening play this game has been fairly similar to his opening posting in Parallel. Some blendy policy talk, into an OMGUS vote on the first person the call him out. Not really much to go on, and I thought he was scum in Parallel for quite a while.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 17:34 GMT
#645
Blech, I'll go reread him in parallel. Have no real memory of him there, tbh.
When I read over people that are on the periphery of this game, he sticks out to me.

I actually agreed with Gonzaw's statement that randombum's posts were "neutral." This bit of his post on Oats/BH -
If you read Oats statement from the point of view where its already decided by town to pick instant majority, (which I think this town has.) then his reasoning makes sense
is pretty much the most unique thing I've seen out of his posts. Granted, I liked the thought, but the rest is mush.

He has scumreads on oats and gonzaw, his only real reads given, but this is at a time where oats has already been called out and gonzaw has as well. To some extent, he admits as much, noting that others have pointed out his Oats issues. At the end of his filter he's on stutters, who everyone has the same thoughts about because there aren't any other thoughts to be had.

It just reads like empty space except for the one line about oats's thoughts and one response to some gonzaw pressure. But even the gonzaw defense is like..."i didn't call you scum, just said you weren't contributing" and things like that. It's his biggest post, but yet doesn't say anything, and reinforces the mush because in some cases he's actively defending himself against gonzaw by saying "No, I said something much more bland than the interpretation you're taking."

I will go check parallel.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 17:37 GMT
#646
BONUS PARANOIA NOTE: kitaman's posts were awesome and I liked them and he was the bestest.

Then once the early stuff was over he poofed away, and chimed in to talk about how/why he voted sylencia and about stutters lurking. I get a BIG disconnect between his entrance and the rest of his play this day, and it worries me. He's also in the "do not want to lynch right now" area for me, but I would really like it if the insightful and well-thought-out posts weren't all concerning early stuff and setup, and some of them applied to actual reads or pushed discussion forward during the times we've been stalled.

We've all sucked at pushing thing forward during the stall
Fe fi fo fum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 14 2013 17:45 GMT
#647
On February 15 2013 02:34 austinmcc wrote:
Blech, I'll go reread him in parallel. Have no real memory of him there, tbh.
When I read over people that are on the periphery of this game, he sticks out to me.

I actually agreed with Gonzaw's statement that randombum's posts were "neutral." This bit of his post on Oats/BH -
Show nested quote +
If you read Oats statement from the point of view where its already decided by town to pick instant majority, (which I think this town has.) then his reasoning makes sense
is pretty much the most unique thing I've seen out of his posts. Granted, I liked the thought, but the rest is mush.

He has scumreads on oats and gonzaw, his only real reads given, but this is at a time where oats has already been called out and gonzaw has as well. To some extent, he admits as much, noting that others have pointed out his Oats issues. At the end of his filter he's on stutters, who everyone has the same thoughts about because there aren't any other thoughts to be had.

It just reads like empty space except for the one line about oats's thoughts and one response to some gonzaw pressure. But even the gonzaw defense is like..."i didn't call you scum, just said you weren't contributing" and things like that. It's his biggest post, but yet doesn't say anything, and reinforces the mush because in some cases he's actively defending himself against gonzaw by saying "No, I said something much more bland than the interpretation you're taking."

I will go check parallel.

Right, I agree with your sentiments. But he also did the same things in Parallel. He was very much a non-factor for most of the game, but people just kept calling town because it was Palmar (and marv, too?) he was OMGUS'ing and sticking his neck out against.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
February 14 2013 17:46 GMT
#648
Don't worry austin, I'm still the bestest.

The toughest part for me is that I have no access to TL during the 9 hours of the day at work, so I'm limited to posting at certain times of the day and last night things were really slow. I have about 20 minutes left on my lunch break so hopefully I'll be able to decide by then.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 17:49 GMT
#649
On February 15 2013 02:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Don't worry austin, I'm still the bestest.

The toughest part for me is that I have no access to TL during the 9 hours of the day at work, so I'm limited to posting at certain times of the day and last night things were really slow. I have about 20 minutes left on my lunch break so hopefully I'll be able to decide by then.
Just a thought that had been in the back of my head and was worth vocalizing.

Also, wtb work that blocks access to TL
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 17:55 GMT
#650
On February 15 2013 02:45 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 02:34 austinmcc wrote:
Blech, I'll go reread him in parallel. Have no real memory of him there, tbh.
When I read over people that are on the periphery of this game, he sticks out to me.

I actually agreed with Gonzaw's statement that randombum's posts were "neutral." This bit of his post on Oats/BH -
If you read Oats statement from the point of view where its already decided by town to pick instant majority, (which I think this town has.) then his reasoning makes sense
is pretty much the most unique thing I've seen out of his posts. Granted, I liked the thought, but the rest is mush.

He has scumreads on oats and gonzaw, his only real reads given, but this is at a time where oats has already been called out and gonzaw has as well. To some extent, he admits as much, noting that others have pointed out his Oats issues. At the end of his filter he's on stutters, who everyone has the same thoughts about because there aren't any other thoughts to be had.

It just reads like empty space except for the one line about oats's thoughts and one response to some gonzaw pressure. But even the gonzaw defense is like..."i didn't call you scum, just said you weren't contributing" and things like that. It's his biggest post, but yet doesn't say anything, and reinforces the mush because in some cases he's actively defending himself against gonzaw by saying "No, I said something much more bland than the interpretation you're taking."

I will go check parallel.

Right, I agree with your sentiments. But he also did the same things in Parallel. He was very much a non-factor for most of the game, but people just kept calling town because it was Palmar (and marv, too?) he was OMGUS'ing and sticking his neck out against.
His posts there have...stuff. Some full thoughts, some one-liner questions that show he's reading.

This defense post, against Foolishness's case on him, looks similar to his defense post against Gonzaw this game, but it feels different. The structure is similar - break the accusation up and respond to pieces. But the responses are different - little one-liner question responses to Gonzaw, more...quippy. Whereas his response to foolishness looks meaty and like he's refuting things a little deeper/more seriously.

I would totes <3 marv, iamperfection, dandel ion looking at those posts and seeing if they find them similar, different. Bonus points if they use that to try and read randombum this game.
Fe fi fo fum.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 14 2013 17:59 GMT
#651
Don't woray about randombum.

I'm a man with a plan.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
February 14 2013 18:00 GMT
#652
Right now, my gut read tells me that Sylencia is a newbie lurker.

On February 13 2013 10:14 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 09:29 kitaman27 wrote:
If we all just agree on the instant majority option early, we can ensure people aren't able to comment freely on the mostly irreverent theme.

We can also use our knowledge of the roles that we picked for another player to our advantage. If we find someone using their role in a sub optimal anti-town way, we can just claim who we picked for and make them pay.

Also, look how scummy that Sylencia guy is! Lets vote for him.


Guys I swear I don't know the man, if he's calling me scummy, he must be scum!

##Vote: kitaman27


On February 14 2013 15:01 Sylencia wrote:
Kurumi, since you're voting for me right now, can I ask you to let me perhaps share with you the fact I'm innocent tonight?


There really isn't much to go by with him, but so far Sylencia has only responded to people who have placed a vote on him, indicating that his prime concern is survival. He hasn't made any posts that show he cares about town or hasn't come up with any sort of plan that could benefit us. Even his comment about the PYP is a one liner that doesn't show very strong resolve.

On February 14 2013 09:48 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 08:46 kitaman27 wrote:
There have been a lot of one line posts and conversational posts. Can we at least try to put a little effort into keeping the thread and the filters manageable?

Generally with my random votes, I just pick the newest player or player I don't recognize to see how they respond and have them start posting. 90% of the time they respond along the lines of "why are you voting for me." and I eventually move on when I find someone else. In this case, I really would like to see a couple more votes on Sylencia. By voting for me in response to my random vote, it shows that he is reading the thread, but only responding to an issue that affects him. He has yet to comment on a relevant issue or shows that he cares about coming up with a plan to benefit town. It may be a lurker vote, but I think we should at least give him some motivation to post and move off tomorrow if we're satisfied and find a better target.

Kurumi, in response to your question about marv, I said that he shouldn't get special treatment for being absent just because he is a vet. There isn't anything in particular about his posting that I've picked up on yet since his return to the thread.

Oats, what kind of response were you hoping to get from Kierathi that would lead you to a town or scum conclusion, based on your earlier post?


Mainly because I don't understand what is even happening in this game O_O


He also shows a lack of confidence or aggressiveness, which is generally a mafia trait. Even if he is overwhelmed by the setup, there are still plenty of player interactions to comment on. When I asked him if he had any suspicions, he said no and promised to catch up, but never did so. If this was his first game, maybe I'd understand, but looking through his old games, he has like 4-5 under his belt. By now he should be able to know what kind of things to look for and comment without being prompted.

For now, I'll keep my vote on Sylencia. Unfortunately, I have to head out yet. Hopefully by the time I get home I'll have time to look at the rest of the candidates.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 14 2013 18:01 GMT
#653
I was looking mostly at his day 1 posting. I didn't keep reading past that.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 14 2013 18:03 GMT
#654
Also I didn't read PU, and I don't plan on doing it. Too confusing with the two threads.

I'm not sure what merit there is in comparing only 2 posts, and nothing else about his play. Context is important too.

From glancing over them, they look relatively similar, but different in parts. To say more on them, I do not really feel qualified.


@Kita: If your read is "newbie lurker", but you want to lynch him for that,does that mean you have no scumreads at all?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
February 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#655
Sorry guys first day of work last night and VDay today. The girlfriend is sick though so I'll be spending most the day doing online coursework to pass the time while she sleeps so I'll try to get some stuff done before the deadline.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 18:24 GMT
#656
On February 15 2013 03:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also I didn't read PU, and I don't plan on doing it. Too confusing with the two threads.

I'm not sure what merit there is in comparing only 2 posts, and nothing else about his play. Context is important too.

From glancing over them, they look relatively similar, but different in parts. To say more on them, I do not really feel qualified.


@Kita: If your read is "newbie lurker", but you want to lynch him for that,does that mean you have no scumreads at all?
I like this post. If I had some pi handy, I would give you a piece.

Will iamperfection and marv post equally like-able posts? WHO KNOWS!?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 18:24 GMT
#657
On February 15 2013 03:23 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys first day of work last night and VDay today. The girlfriend is sick though so I'll be spending most the day doing online coursework to pass the time while she sleeps so I'll try to get some stuff done before the deadline.

Can you give us a 20 or 30 minute where you're just here and available?
Fe fi fo fum.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
February 14 2013 18:32 GMT
#658
On February 15 2013 03:24 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 03:23 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys first day of work last night and VDay today. The girlfriend is sick though so I'll be spending most the day doing online coursework to pass the time while she sleeps so I'll try to get some stuff done before the deadline.

Can you give us a 20 or 30 minute where you're just here and available?

Yeah. I have a class at 330 but until I leave for it at three I'm here. Fire away. I'll be back around 5.

Phone posting so I don't want to bother editing that but those are in EST.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 14 2013 18:36 GMT
#659
To make that a little more forceful/sinister

By induction (maybe)

Town wants to find scum
Town wants to look town
Town needs to post in order to do those things
You making yourself available for a window of time allows you to comment on things, be asked questions, post and contribute

Therefore, IF you are town, you should be amenable to a window of posting/QnA. If nothing else, it can focus what you need to look over and at least give you some minor stuff in thread.

IF you are scum, I would imagine that you'd prefer to prepare a post or two, drop them, and scuttle away (scum scuttle, it is how they move).

+ Show Spoiler +
Not relevant to this post: QED PYTHAGORAS ARCHIMEDES SOME OTHER STUFF? e=mc squared?
Fe fi fo fum.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 14 2013 18:36 GMT
#660
On February 15 2013 03:24 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 03:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also I didn't read PU, and I don't plan on doing it. Too confusing with the two threads.

I'm not sure what merit there is in comparing only 2 posts, and nothing else about his play. Context is important too.

From glancing over them, they look relatively similar, but different in parts. To say more on them, I do not really feel qualified.


@Kita: If your read is "newbie lurker", but you want to lynch him for that,does that mean you have no scumreads at all?
I like this post. If I had some pi handy, I would give you a piece.

Will iamperfection and marv post equally like-able posts? WHO KNOWS!?

I prefer Cheesecake.

Not to be confused with Mr. Cheesecake.
Who is sexy too, and no less edible. But absent.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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