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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On February 19 2013 06:45 HiroPro wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15769557 If VE can post a picture of himself eating a hat, I think marv can too. didn't VE post a pants-on-head-retarded picture too? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 19 2013 06:57 Vivax wrote: Dunno Toad, I felt pretty motivated to play the game despite the dark prospectives. I also think you're not giving me enough credit for my play. I don't think you played in any way or form a good game at all. Noone did from our team. I think risked played a better game than you although he got shot earlier because dispite being shot / lynched earlier he played less against his team than you did. You just look at the result, see you were the last one who died from team mafia and think that makes a good game... And again, same goes for me. The only way to win this was to drag Yamato until lategame and I should not have bussed him d1... | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
Everyone except matt didn't want to lynch me before they knew I was vig and shot you anyway, so I'm not just looking at the end result. But you've been behaving quite elitist from the start, acting like the uber-super players in qt and chat. I can understand that given your experience, but it makes you look like an asshole and demotivates your own teammates, just don't act like it's all other people's fault and accept that this town has simply been very good and all of us could have been better. | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
On February 19 2013 07:04 supersoft wrote: both, vivax and toad played good in my eyes. Thanks dude, try to be less of a jerk as town maybe, I have to improve in that regard as well lol. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
It's just the same kind of stuff you did that grush usually does. Yes you tried getting people onto Zess but again you have been one of the first to finger yamato. I bussed him out of nowhere really late, which was kind of hilarious that noone even realized. That's the difference. Don't finger your buddies early on if you know they can't stand it, bus them if you think not bussing them will make your team look even worse. I don't have a problem with you going after me or Risk because we both know what we're doing and how to deal with that kind of stuff and I don't have a problem with going after risk myself or him going after me for that reason but everytime someone mentioned Yamato early on you could see him screw up big time by the second, no matter how tiny the issue at hand was to begin with. And again, yes I agree town played really well but at the same time we all played really bad, that includes myself and I said so 3 times now. Playing good as mafia involves making it hard for town to play good it's not just about how you yourself end up being perceived as. That's all I'm saying and I think you're thinking too highly of your play this game because you yourself looked somewhat decent later on. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On February 19 2013 07:17 Vivax wrote: Thanks dude, try to be less of a jerk as town maybe, I have to improve in that regard as well lol. you drive me crazy with your stuff... you need to give me some freedom to make my lists and push my reads... If I am alive d3-d4, you really have to look into me... As scum i think it really is a grave mistake to vote me on the early stages of the game... D1 was really bad for you because you pushed no other easy target like: 2. ObviousOne Filter 4. Mattchew Filter 7. HiroPro Filter 10. Hopeless1der Filter 11. Artanis[Xp] Filter 14. grush57 Filter with a serious counterwagon on a weak target you could have saved yamato... I mean what do you expect... Do you think sandroba and syllogism kill me d1? If toad had voted for me, he could have aswell roleclaimed goon :-( Toad made that mistake with marv aswell... I mean you almost succeeded to lynch me and/or to lynch marv... but you burned all your influence on us and didn't quite manage to get us lynched... What do you expect us to do if you push us... I mean Marv and I probably had the largest filter of all players in that game... We were active as hell. It's not that easy to get us lynched if there is no real hard evidence against us... | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 19 2013 07:34 Vivax wrote: Meh, I don't want to keep arguing about this, but I feel you're being too negative about this game Toad. We played fine, although I have to complain about yamato's low activity and communication with the team and the bad luck we had when syllo decided to shoot nuke when he wasn't here. yeah I guess. Keep in mind this game was really frustrating for me (like I said 10 times in my big post) so I'm still mad about this game and you probably shouldn't take everything too serious right now, that's just the way I am... Though I still think if there's 10 modconfirmed townies at the end of d1 it's mafias fault for letting that happen, which is what I was referring to when I said "playing mafia is not about how you end up being perceived as yourself". You were the only one in our team who really tried to play the game, so that one's for sure going for you. Yamato wasn't playing at all and risk and I both only put mediocre amounts of effort into the game. Edit: And I'm always negative postgame, everytime. It's just how this works on the internet. Everyone on TL has huge egos and thinks he's a genuis no matter if you're playing dota with people or mafia (ask eran, he's playing both as well :p) and people usually end up focussing on the good parts of a game, totally ignoring what they did wrong resulting in no learning experience. I'm assuming I don't have to point out good stuff because people can figure that out themselves. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
The time I was here I did fine. At the time of my last post, Syllo was not wholly suspicious of me and while I had a lot of votes, Marv had pointed out how dumb they were. Something happened between then and me dying and I haven't even read the game since then to find out, because all I had to see in the chat was "we can't afford to bus again" and I knew what happened. Yes, my scum game is weak. However, it was slightly improving, and I was active in the thread when I was here. I communicated my thoughts about the game when I could, but the times I could play were not aligned with many people but Super this game, so there was very little dialogue with me about what our plan was. I figured we were up against a wall with this town, but it's unfair to blame me for what happened day 1. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
I think your team was unlucky in that a lot a townies really did a good job looking town. Plus sandro being a vet is quite harsh given the low KP reminds me of kita being a hider in storm and However you have to realize that from town's perspective it was quite difficult to work out who the mafia are and there were not all that many confirmed townies. Why didn't your team push me on day 1? I wasn't doing much and sandro suspected me of being mafia iirc. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18408 Posts
Marv looked terrible, but I found that his calm and collected reasoning out of the lynch made him look a lot better (I also had him slightly green due to his response to the claimed shot at night, but it didn't make up for betting on the wrong horse consistently). Marv: I'm glad you've learned how to deal with suspicion  I didn't have Toad down as scum. I had Vivax a fairly deep red in my book. Why, exactly, did the dayvig bus happen? Yamato was not completely obvious to me, but I agreed with the case and he would've been my second scumread after Vivax D1. Risk didn't do enough to look townie: his town meta is far more in-your-face with pressure and reads. This is the umpteenth time he has been caught as scum for not doing anything useful. Also, I presume scumteam was randomized? Seems slightly unfair from a qualitative player pov to have Vivax and Yamato, with Sandro and Syllo (and normally Marv) on town side. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 19 2013 08:02 layabout wrote: Toad you played really good. I think your team was unlucky in that a lot a townies really did a good job looking town. Plus sandro being a vet is quite harsh given the low KP reminds me of kita being a hider in storm and However you have to realize that from town's perspective it was quite difficult to work out who the mafia are and there were not all that many confirmed townies. Why didn't your team push me on day 1? I wasn't doing much and sandro suspected me of being mafia iirc. we were really screwed d1. If I remember correctly there were multiple people who had figured out 2 mafias already without a problem, no matter if with proper reasoning or not, if people push it and you die that's still a dead mafia. Remember the case Artanis did on me? It was based on me wrting walls of texts, which was supposed to make me mafia, which isn't the case. I mean sure he was right after all but I do those posts no matter of alignment. We needed a reshuffle imo and bussing Yamato thus making me look good, making Supersoft good who was kind of helping us d1, making marv look bad, making grush and all the other lurkers look bad was the best way to achieve that imo. Honestly speaking I'd say a no-lynch would have been worse for our team than a Yamato lynch because with that we would have half of the town still willing to lynch me, half of the town still willing to lynch Yamato, half of the town still willing to lynch into either of risk or Vivax combined. I didn't want to go in the night like that. Getting you lynched would not have given us that chaos that made Syllo, Sandro, you, Supersoft and Marv question most of their / your reads. Artanis being the gun-dude completly ruined that because Syllo was able to clear the situation before the next lynch happened. Yes with the knowledge of Sandro being a VET and / or the knowledge of Syllo getting 2 guns I would have in no way or form ever tried to bus Yamato and would have done everything in my power to get someone like you or Zess lynched, sadly I did not know that  | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 19 2013 08:09 Acrofales wrote: Oh, this ended superfast and abruptly. Gratz town! Marv looked terrible, but I found that his calm and collected reasoning out of the lynch made him look a lot better (I also had him slightly green due to his response to the claimed shot at night, but it didn't make up for betting on the wrong horse consistently). Marv: I'm glad you've learned how to deal with suspicion I didn't have Toad down as scum. I had Vivax a fairly deep red in my book. Why, exactly, did the dayvig bus happen? Yamato was not completely obvious to me, but I agreed with the case and he would've been my second scumread after Vivax D1. Risk didn't do enough to look townie: his town meta is far more in-your-face with pressure and reads. This is the umpteenth time he has been caught as scum for not doing anything useful. Also, I presume scumteam was randomized? Seems slightly unfair from a qualitative player pov to have Vivax and Yamato, with Sandro and Syllo (and normally Marv) on town side. Last bit made me giggle | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
How you gonna let something like skill-balance get you down? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On February 19 2013 08:09 Acrofales wrote: Oh, this ended superfast and abruptly. Gratz town! Marv looked terrible, but I found that his calm and collected reasoning out of the lynch made him look a lot better (I also had him slightly green due to his response to the claimed shot at night, but it didn't make up for betting on the wrong horse consistently). Marv: I'm glad you've learned how to deal with suspicion I didn't have Toad down as scum. I had Vivax a fairly deep red in my book. Why, exactly, did the dayvig bus happen? Yamato was not completely obvious to me, but I agreed with the case and he would've been my second scumread after Vivax D1. Risk didn't do enough to look townie: his town meta is far more in-your-face with pressure and reads. This is the umpteenth time he has been caught as scum for not doing anything useful. Also, I presume scumteam was randomized? Seems slightly unfair from a qualitative player pov to have Vivax and Yamato, with Sandro and Syllo (and normally Marv) on town side. to the bold: well i got unlucky. but vivax was my push day 1 and toad day 2, so it was quite decent really ^^ edit: srsly, wtf "normally marv" :< if town had sheeped me like normal i'd have lynched mafia day 1 and 2 | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On February 19 2013 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd like to congratulate marv for not losing his cool this game. I don't know if it's because of the fact that respected vets were alive or what, but generally as town when marv gets run up he's all insults and condescension. it's called resignation. if sandroba and syllogism want you dead, then you dead. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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