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On February 16 2013 01:54 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 00:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
What I want to know is why does Sevryn get such an utter free ride from so many people (especially mocsta/Cora)? Sure people mention his name when they call our low contribution members, but when its down to who might be scum, his name never even pops up... I actually noticed this when I was reading the thread from yesterday But now I cant find the post that had a list of who all was the scum and my name just wasn't in the list which seemed kind of odd seeing how I was to being lynched d1
How non-alignment indicative of you to comment...
I mean, for crying out loud make posts that help town.
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On February 16 2013 02:25 Sevryn wrote:
not really sheeping I'm just calling what I think is odd townie motivated behavior and wanted your reasoning which I missed in that post. so you think any case made now would lose traction so we just shouldn't discuss d3 until its d3?
He is just sour that we didn't lynch Warbaby day 1. So he thinks its because he raised his case too early D1 when in reality its because nobody wanted to lynch warbaby D1, partially because WB fixed up his play and partially because at least WB was playing (unlike certain other people).
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Ding Dong time is up for OO.
GGs, thanks for playing so... amicably 
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This game is hard.
My 2 cents. I'll be filter diving tomorrow, too lazy today. Actually tomorrow is weekend so I may be too lazy then as well. Sometime before next lynch is the goal
So much crap being tossed around in this thread, at this point I think that EVERYBODY should seriously consider just taking the time to read a filter or 2 seriously. If 2 people call each other scummy, well that doesn't make progress (he said/she said doesn't get us anywhere).
The night actions tonight will hopefully be revealing.
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Erm, no time to write a big last will, but I'd like to remind you guys that a no-lynch COULD be quite reasonable if we can't consolidate on a real lynch target.
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I only mentioned a no lynch because we COULD BE AT MYLO and if we keep voting like utter retards (see: first vote) then maybe a no-lynch is preferable. However, I don't think we are at no lynch stage yet. For example, I think I'll be voting Sylencia today, although I admit I haven't finished my "Filter dive"
This is my before-bed post don't expect answers for another indeterminately long period.
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Does anybody else see some parallels between Sevryn's case on glurio and his case on Sylencia? Its even phrased similarly... And sev should know that it doesn't hold water, given that glurio was town.
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For reference, his current case:
On February 18 2013 23:42 Sevryn wrote:
Sylencia
here are my thoughts after reading his filter
Sylencia starts off by posting the chances of hitting town with RNG lynch making it clear he is not going to scumhunt and instead getting ezpz town cred.
States the obvious with warbabys claim that we all knew. talked definitivly with "when he doesnt die on night 1" which leads me to think he had knowledge of the kill target. than he continues with more talk of warbaby with some setup speculation thrown in there. where is the scum hunting? these are just empty posts that he doesn't take anywhere.
All of his pressure on Warbaby is summaries of his play no questioning his motives with OMGUS posts which is just classic scum play.
Of course town will survival vote but it is much better to play more town oriented and not have to rely on it. because hey(scum will survival vote as well)
He automatically decides its a scum RB. how does he know the JK doesnt exist while the RB does? he also points out a frame possibility which seems kind of odd if I was RB I wouldn't think "ohh this is me being frameda obviously" first. why is he ready to speculate about things he couldn't possibly know as town?
All game he tunnels warbaby(while applying very weak pressure) with a foundation of a scum slip which is a really weak case that gets dismissed which is perfect for scum to look like they are contributing.
makes a big post about the RB person to step up right before saying he got blocked a sec afterwards. and then we are right back to the being framed thing.
so basically sylencia has no real contributions.
He has had a game of weak tunneling on warbaby with no real pressure
and the rest is setup/role speculation with no outcome or saying he has been roleblocked and framed to be scum.
You can have problems with my play but I have tried to be heard when my posts are getting ignored. you attack me because I put what I think outthere and you dont like my opinion.
with syl he is just blending in.
its probably LYLO and he isn't doing anything to help town.
We need to lynch this scum
##vote sylencia
His old case on glurio:
On February 12 2013 13:43 Sevryn wrote:
Guys, warbaby is getting discussed to death and my comments to Glurio are getting buried. Can we please discuss something new, these are my points on his case to Sno_Man.
- why did he show all of snos post hes just trying to look like hes trying hard to scumhunt, but is the same as if we just read his filter.
-his question about the bolded part of one of snos posts " Why wouldn't scum tell the town what exactly they should be looking for and just avoid exactly these things?" is just useless rhetoric and he obviously isnt trying to achieve anything with it
-hes also defending himself when no case or anything was made against him so hes preemptively getting ready to be accused by pretending to have gotten attacked.
lastly while he made a big case that doesnt say much he still has barely any posts so hes doing exactly what he claimed not be doing which is actively lurk.
Glurio is scum
##vote: Glurio
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On February 19 2013 04:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
Where are you going with this, Sn0?
What kind of question is this? Honestly this sounds a lot more like scum trying to determine the threat level to his buddy than it does town trying to figure out what I'm trying to imply. Isn't it obvious that this looks bad, since Sevryn STARTED the "wagon" (lol bad term) on glurio day 1 and day 2 hes using fairly similar WIFOM to push another easy target. Admittedly the new case is a bit better than the first one but that is to be expected (and could stem from some help in a scum QT?).
It isn't like all the stuff I just mentioned makes a complete case by itself, but I wanted to point out the similarity of the 2 cases, one of which ended in mislynch.
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I will say that the lynch on Sylencia looks almost too easy at this stage. If mandalor gets modkilled today then the value of a no-lynch becomes 0 so that is off the table.
However, I don't see who else we can actually lynch at this point, and TBH i'm decently happy with his lynch now. If we lose on the spot I kinda feel like the setup is dumb XD.
BTW @mocsta complaining about no watcher on TS isn't quite fair because at this point mafia could be using a godfather to kill. So even if watcher watched TS he may have seen nothing. Although we could definitely just not have a watcher at this point as well.
##Vote: Sylencia
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To add: was my vote/play this weekend lazy as can be? Yes. This was a long weekend (today aka monday still a holiday) and weekends I don't prioritize mafia. Maybe that isn't acceptable to you but that is how I play. If the game is still going and I'm alive, I'll be back in full tomorrow.
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In this game, the godfather evades all watchers/trackers. I'm assuming this means that if scum had a godfather and used him to execute kills nobody would be able to trace it (aka the godfather would be the one to kill TS).
OFC, we don't know scum even has a godfather, but we don't know if we have a watcher either.
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On February 19 2013 09:09 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 07:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
If the game is still going and I'm alive, I'll be back in full tomorrow. Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 07:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
If we lose on the spot I kinda feel like the setup is dumb XD.
Not to start throwing crap around, but Sn0 is really prepping for an end-of-game mislynch.
I'm very worried about a game ending mislynch yes.
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Based on mocsta's speculation, and given that we have 7 living players, the hope now is that either: The game isn't really close to what mocsta is speculating and we still have 2 scum, OR mafia shoots a vet (that we don't even know we have)?
Not sure I like the chances here. I'm re-reading important parts of the game but I'm not sure I see the value in tossing out any observations just yet.
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On February 20 2013 00:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
The lack of activity from you and Sn0 has been a huge factor into why we are in such deep shit. Did you want this to happen?
Possible, but unlikely. I'm not particularly sure what I was gonna contribute given the current theme of this town which is: I can say whatever I want and the lynches boil down to popularity contests. I'm not actually good at finding scum in this game, but I will say that both OO and TS, who knew they were gonna die the next action (lynch then NK) both tabbed me as the towniest player in the game. While this may have been before my long AFK period, I like to think that if ALL of town could be as blatantly town as I, it would be a lot easier to nail the scum. Process of elimination and all that.
That doesn't really excuse everything, but at the same time if every town played my game we would probably be very near victory by now so take that for what you will.
I'm unsure why you think that me and ZP posting at similar times is even remotely relevant? We both live in NA.
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Interesting. GGWP all.
I'm still dubious as to the balance behind this setup... 
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Hey, I don't get a N3 action? T_T
XD
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On February 20 2013 02:36 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 02:25 Sn0_Man wrote:Interesting. GGWP all. I'm still dubious as to the balance behind this setup... Why? I thought it was fairly normal.
Mislynch twice, lose on the spot.
Sure our analysis could have been better, but the fact is we basically have to let the SK live and hope he hits scum or else we just lose. Because 2 mislynches simply isn't enough space for town (especially newer towns).
I mean, we get super-lucky to have our tracker hit an anti-town role on his first guess, and we still are in basically unwinnable position from N1 on.
Maybe if our vet manned up and took a bullet somewhere? but even then scum had the RB to stop that.
It hurts more that we had a Harmful-to-town role on our side (me the nosy neighbor) and a dumbed-down power role (tracker) instead of medic/JK/cop. I dunno, I just felt like town never had a real chance in this game. Closer to 1/10 than 1/3. Admittedly I'm biased and fresh off a loss, but this is what it looks like right now
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On February 20 2013 02:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
Scum RB doesn't stop Vet. Vet is passive.
Not to be a douche, but did you read the OP Dandel? This is the second time you have disagreed with what was openly stated in the OP.
On February 20 2013 02:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
Since the SK only shot once (and as I understand it, also tried to hit scum), you can pretend it was a vig.
Vig hits townie.
3 (effective) mislynches.
Vet doesn't get shot.
It was kind of a worst-case scenario for town, but shit happens.
So if we pretend OO was vig, then you recommend we don't lynch the SK and just let scum RB the SK all day? I guess that KINDA turns him into a vig but a vig who doesn't actually want town to win... (with the semi-plus of vet status?).
I just don't see how our only active power role hitting on his first try ends up as "Worst case scenario" for town
On February 20 2013 03:06 zarepath wrote:
My new policy lynch is to policy lynch Mocsta.
Feels that way.
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Most of the Obs QT wanted to lynch Cora... :|
Lesson learned though: I guess town has to keep the SK alive all game to have a hope of victory in the future. Gotcha. Although OO seemed to be pretty far off the mark on who to shoot anyway (not that anybody really had better ideas). Even if we hit Mand/Sev, I still see mocsta winning the game eventually since at some point town HAS to lynch the SK.
I do want to point out that all the analysis of keeping the SK alive in the obs qt thread kinda forgets that he can be perma-roleblocked by scum.
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