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@warbaby: Less defensive please. Sylencia did some reasoned analysis of your early play and came to conclusions. He didn't call you scum, he wasn't asking for your lynch, he was merely analyzing your play and that one statement.
Admittedly he hasn't done a ton of other stuff, but at the same time he certainly wasn't tunnelling you. I don't really see how you can construe it that way.
Regarding Mandalor, voting a lurker with more than a day left to lynch is a safe vote, not a pressure vote. Its a "well now that my vote is down I can go back to hiding and only change it if I need to" kind of vote. Admitting that it is a "pressure vote" also defeats the purpose (as Sylencia has pointed out). Town care about their votes, as votes are (generally) the only power they have. Scum want their votes to give away as little information as possible, to cheapen the very concept of a vote. It should be decently clear which of those two things random "pressure votes" are. Including some of the ones you have thrown around too.
I'd be more inclined to lynch Mandalor than Sylencia right now.
ALL THAT ASIDE, We are now 7.5 hours away from lynch (give or take). Idle chitchat time is over, we now need to begin our decision-making process on final voting. In some ways, I've seen enough posting that I could now be convinced to lynch a more active player. However, I still heavily prefer lynching somebody with low contribution, since that is still where scum can hide easiest.
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On February 13 2013 02:38 glurio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 00:57 zarepath wrote:
glurio, who are your top scum reads right now? Mandalor i'd like to hear more from. Sevryn might be scum making a terrible case on me voting and hoping for a wagon. Other than that i have nothing right now.
I can understand how a town would feel like this as well, but as I recall one of the hallmarks of newer scum is an inability to make cases due to knowing everybody's alignment (and of course not wishing to bus the real scum).
Plus glurio has kept his post/contribution levels quite low (although admittedly if he doesn't have any leads then posting doesn't make a ton of sense). At least there is much less sheep in his play this game compared to last. Again though, that could definitely be a meta update based on the results of last game.
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I'm sorry if you feel tunnelled glurio. I'm not targetting you in particular, merely those who aren't really contributing. Inconveniently, you are still on your first page of filter. I appreciate the fact that you took the time and made a real case post, and I appreciate the fact that you looked at your case objectively and evaluated people's responses to it accordingly.
However, last game you avoided suspicion by: low number of posts, no real commitment to lynching any one person, and sheeping others. This game, you have a low number of posts and no real commitment to lynching any one person. The sheep is mostly gone, which I again think is a point in your favour, but I don't wish for people to let you off the hook based on just that point.
Basically, I want more posts. I'd like activity, and activity will allow me to read you based on what you say instead of what you don't say. More activity won't get you a free ride, but it will save you from my current interest in lynching those who don't contribute.
Again, sorry if you feel like you are in the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position, because that isn't what I'm trying to do to you. I just want posts that keep the game moving. As I previously mentioned, it is your responsibility to differentiate your play this game from your scum play last game. And in a meaningful, convincing manner.
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On February 13 2013 03:49 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Warbaby
Who is playing more similarly to when they were scum: Sylencia or Glurio?
I'm also interested in hearing this from zarepath since he has played against both of them when they were scum (in different games OFC).
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On February 13 2013 04:01 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Regarding Mandalor, voting a lurker with more than a day left to lynch is a safe vote, not a pressure vote. Its a "well now that my vote is down I can go back to hiding and only change it if I need to" kind of vote. Admitting that it is a "pressure vote" also defeats the purpose (as Sylencia has pointed out). Town care about their votes, as votes are (generally) the only power they have. Scum want their votes to give away as little information as possible, to cheapen the very concept of a vote. It should be decently clear which of those two things random "pressure votes" are. Including some of the ones you have thrown around too.
If you didn't feel like my vote is a "safe vote" and attacked me for it, I would've never said that its purpose is to pressure lurkers. If you have a problem with the vote itself, fine. But when you ask me about or attack me because of it, I'm gonna have to give an honest response. Pressure voting is totally fine and a decent power, but here it is you who defeated its purpose. ##unvote
I get credit for single-handedly defeating the "pressure" vote on a no-posts player who is getting replaced in 6 hours? I'll take it.
I was under the impression I had explained the invalidity of attempting to pressure actual AFK players with votes, and how it cheapens the very concept of a vote down to something that we throw around.
Pressure votes are legitimate, but I expect them to be associated with a real case. And I expect some measure if intent-to-lynch behind them if the pressure reveals some cracks.
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EBWOP last paragraph: "... And I expect some measure of intent-to-lynch..."
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Okay calm down guys no need to jump on the hate train here. We are informing mandalor that we think his vote was not very town motivated. No need to make him feel like he is literally hitler or anything.
And I don't think he "caved quickly" since that vote has been around for a while and I've complained about it before.
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You want me to tell you that I thought your vote was dumb too? OK.
Your vote is dumb too.
Better?
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Okay that was flippant and unhelpful. A more reasonable response is something like: Your play may have been questionable, but at least you are putting a lot of effort into playing. Day 1, my prime goal is contribution from everybody and if I have to pressure people's actions, then I will. I didn't feel any need to pressure you (you were under plenty earlier and have a decent post count).
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@Mandalor: You unvoted the 0-poster, who would you like to lynch right now? You don't have to vote them, but lets hear some reasons etc.
It can be a "Lynch Scum" plan or a "Lynch Lurker" plan. Whatever seems right to you. I know this may take time to make a real choice, but the lynch is coming up quicker than you know so lets hear some scumhunting now 
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On February 13 2013 04:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 04:23 Mandalor wrote:On February 13 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 13 2013 04:01 Mandalor wrote:On February 13 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Regarding Mandalor, voting a lurker with more than a day left to lynch is a safe vote, not a pressure vote. Its a "well now that my vote is down I can go back to hiding and only change it if I need to" kind of vote. Admitting that it is a "pressure vote" also defeats the purpose (as Sylencia has pointed out). Town care about their votes, as votes are (generally) the only power they have. Scum want their votes to give away as little information as possible, to cheapen the very concept of a vote. It should be decently clear which of those two things random "pressure votes" are. Including some of the ones you have thrown around too.
If you didn't feel like my vote is a "safe vote" and attacked me for it, I would've never said that its purpose is to pressure lurkers. If you have a problem with the vote itself, fine. But when you ask me about or attack me because of it, I'm gonna have to give an honest response. Pressure voting is totally fine and a decent power, but here it is you who defeated its purpose. ##unvote Why cave so quickly when under such weak pressure? To me this looks like you found a quick out to change your vote to a 'better' target later on in the day. waitwaitwait I'm getting attacked for a pressure vote that's not pressuring and when I remove it (it's not working as intended obv) it's a quick out? Please take a step back and think about whether keeping the vote or removing it would be the smarter thing to do. To be fair, Sn0 already addressed that at the top of the page. I was only seeing how you'd react, honestly. Now as far as keeping the vote or removing it would be the smarter thing to do, are you referring to your 0-post lynch or mine? Because I know what I'm doing. Did you?
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Do you think that maybe you should, you know, unvote now?
Given that I helped clarify for you that your vote was dumb.
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On February 13 2013 04:34 Mandalor wrote:
Right now, I would vote Sylencia.
His response so far hasn't changed anything for me concerning his odd behavior with warbaby. WB never soft-claimed anything - yet Syl gives us this odd post saying he's most likely vig or scum. That is the opposite of helpful for town. I can't think of a use for this information at this point in the game. Elimination surely can't be it when we don't know any role yet.
That combined with his uncharacteristic (I think? at least have that in my mind) lurking (yeah yeah I know, but I have posted more here than I did in any game yet) makes him my top scum read for now.
If nothing big comes up that will be my vote for tonight (will probably have to vote in 4 or 5 hours and call it a day).
There we go! See, I can think of an explanation for most of what Syl is doing, but I'm not going to call you out if you can't. I think WB soft-claimed, but I can definitely see how others think he didn't. I like you you picked a name, gave a real reason that was consistent with your earlier posts, and didn't even need to make it too long.
Obviously this doesn't prove you are town but it certainly helps your chances of not being lynched today. For now, I won't ask more but keep in mind that we expect more of THIS POST as often as is reasonable for you to manage (I know its time consuming).
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On February 13 2013 04:37 zarepath wrote:
I recommend you do a full case on his filter outlining more than just that SINGLE reason for him being scummy.
Well, that basically is Sylencia's whole filter...
On February 13 2013 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
My vote on Macheji stands. LAL and whatnot.
You have yet to explain the value to lynching Macheji. Since Macheji is currently not part of this game (in any meaningful fashion) you are currently voting for a no-lynch, which is generally accepted as terrible day 1. Unless you are psychic and know what his replacement will say day 2?
Now, if Macheji/9-bit show up shortly before the deadline to vote, then by all means we lynch them ded, but for now... you are not helping town with that vote. As I spent so long explaining to mandalor.
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On February 13 2013 04:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
I feel like doing a full case on Sevryn right now but I have a midterm soon so I don't have the time to follow up. Will be back a few hours pre-vote.
Sevryn has been tunneling Glurio REAL hard all game. The only post not directed at Glurio since yesterday was one talking about how he wants to see more from lurkers like Mandalor when they have contributed far more than he has. His filter is one page long and the first few posts are all game theory crap. Not linking here because you can check the filter yourself; real easy read.
Now I don't like glurio this game either so I'm going to speculate a little.
I don't believe they are both scum. If they were both scum and Sevryn implicates glurio, then he is in danger of being lynched D1 due to lurker/scummy reads on him so far. I can't see him doing this and leaving it up to chance at the end of the day like he says. I don't believe this is a bus attempt either because it's a newbie game, and bussing is real big talk most of the time. I don't believe they are both good town either because each has posted 'just enough' to attempt to stay under radar while contributing absolutely nothing of value. Essentially I believe either Sevryn or glurio are scum right now, with another scum being one of the 0-post lurkers, Sylencia or geript as I had stated earlier.
So you think that:
One of Glurio/Sevyrn is scum
One of Sylencia/Geript/9bit/Macheji is scum
One of the rest is scum.
Why are you voting for a 1/4 chance when you could vote for a 1/2 chance (glurio/sevyrn)? Plus, I'm of the opinion that it should be fairly easy to lynch one of glurio/sevyrn if you make a realistic case.
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On February 13 2013 04:52 zarepath wrote:
Here's the thing -- we don't KNOW that he'll be replaced
Well if they aren't replaced then WoS is voting no-lynch which is NOT helping town
On February 13 2013 04:52 zarepath wrote:It is actually to scum's advantage for replacements to come in because we have less info on them if they ARE scum and have plenty of excuses to roll with, and if they're NOT scum town is still going to spend a bunch of energy wondering about this mysterious replacement when they come in.
Sure, but one of the most important parts of the day 1 lynch is to GENERATE INFORMATION. The voting is often very informative. If we all just vote for a 0-poster then we don't learn anything, and the player may as well have been modkilled + we have a no-lynch. Once again, this isn't helping town.
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Yeah 4 hours.
I actually kinda like insane last hours, they lead to screw-ups which are often key to catching scum. But yeah, I intend on having my vote in decently ahead of lynch. I'll read up on warbaby but otherwise I like a sev/glurio lynch today. One of the two.
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On February 13 2013 06:21 glurio wrote:
I'd prefer lynching one of the lurkier players, sevryn, syl or mandalor right now.
Which one? Why?
I mean, I don't disagree, but you have 3 targets and I'm assuming you don't think that you have nailed the 3-man scumteam so there is reason to go further than "one of these 3".
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On February 13 2013 06:29 zarepath wrote:
Just popping in to say that Mocsta last posted 6 hours ago, which is really weird. I assume he must sleep at least 6 hours a day, though.
Warbaby's last post is quite a while ago (page 30 methinks?) as well if I didn't mess up his filter somehow. I still think it safe to say we will see both of them before lynch.
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On February 11 2013 14:01 warbaby wrote:
I won't claim my actual role right now (just that my alignment is not mafia rofl), but if we get to a point later (d2+) where others are considering claiming, I will not hesitate this time.
On February 11 2013 20:57 warbaby wrote:
I could give away more information (like a blue role) later on, but I haven't done that yet
Between the two of these it looks like you are saying "I'm blue but I'm not gonna out and say it". VTs traditionally have no real problem mentioning that they are VT (afaik?). You are more like "I'm town, but I won't tell you what special kind of town". Which means you are a special kind. Which is a soft claim. Even if you didn't mean it that way, at least half the thread read it that way.
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