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debears
United States2516 Posts
What's the case you have against phagga? Despite his vote on snarfs, some who I have town reads on (you and CC) have him painted as scum, yet I don't see him as super scum. I've seen some posts that look town motivated, but I'd like to see the details of your analysis | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
My town read on sloosh is based off meta. He isnt a very confident mafia player, and I dont think he would put himself in the spotlight on that day 1. It was also not all that necessary. BUT. The snarfs vote and aftermath strike me as scummy. I dont think yamato is scum. Im null on CC currently. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On February 20 2013 00:34 yamato77 wrote: Sloosh, why is that plan so scummy? Wtf. We keep you alive until endgame, because why? I say we kill you today and mod confirm what Mafia has been doing with the nominations. Jay pushing mafia agenda, so him suggesting not lynching you is hilariously bad. Just makes me want to lynch you more. I'd rather scumhunt like normal. On that note, I'm going to read VE/Phagga and see if I can figure the both of them out. Yamato.........please give me good reasoning why sloosh is mafia before you go on a thought process like this. A town or a scum player can easily say that. Also, say that jay is scum and sloosh is town, and jay knows he has a good chance to lynched tomorrow. What's an easy way to cast suspicion on a good town player? Buddy up with them | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Oats is probably not mafia Jay is almost certainly mafia VE looks way worse Sloosh is meh, his meta suggests town Phagga looks like mafia CC is probably town Jay/Phagga/VE are my current reads Jay I've explained. Phagga has some townie looking moments but is overall pushing a mafia agenda. Day 1 he pushed JX and did not much else. Since then he's been blend as fuck. VE has done shit all this game. He wasn't even responsible for Snarf's lynch. He wanted prplhz to die over him. I think his Snarfs read was just too look good if he got caught and flipped mafia. He never pushed him, as he claimed. He barely pushed anyone. He makes his reasons and then afk's. I think he might be the piece of the puzzle I've been missing. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
I got an exam to write tomorrow morning, so my activity is a bit lower than usual. Expect some more input from in about 20 hours. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
That's pretty much all there is to say on the matter. If you have any other points that you think make me scum, I'm perfectly willing to pile fact upon fact until your reasoning crumbles beneath you. Sloosh' plan makes sense to me, except that he's operating under the assumption that everyone believes he's town, which simply isn't the case. Nor is it the case that everyone thinks that I'm town. Cheese is pretty much the only player in the game that the whole of the surviving players agrees is town (or at the very least is very unlikely scum.) I'm still waiting to see what Cheese is going to contribute to this cycle, because as it stands he's clearly contributing the least. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 12 2013 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I'm starting to get a sense of what's going on here. prplhz is Mafia Palmar knew it, I ignored it, now I gotta do something about it. prplhz did nothing over the course of D1 aside from ask Djodref about RNG, tell Mocsta and Oats to stop yelling at each other, and ask people over and over what they think about his "case" on jaybrundage. I put case in quotations there because his case is basically "he feels a little elusive and mild and *shrug*" but apparently that's enough for prplhz. What I find interesting about that is he claims he had no strong scum suspects D1...but apparently I haven't been doing shit all game right? Why wasn't I a suspect to prplhz? Oh that's right, at the end of D1 when the shit was uncertain surrounding the lynch, that is when all of a sudden prplhz would lynch VE over JX. Which begs the question: why didn't he raise me as a lynch candidate before then? If he was opposed to the JX lynch, why didn't he offer me up sooner than a couple hours before the lynch? prplhz is my strongest read by far and I prefer a prplhz lynch today. Snarfs is Mafia Snarfs has rubbed me the wrong way all game. His initial case on me was so bad that it got my attention, and the way he pushed it (or NOT pushed it more accurately) felt scummy all game long. He continues to do nothing, which kinda makes me a little queasy, but overall he's firmly in the red for me. If I can't get a prplhz lynch today, I would lynch Snarfs. ##Unvote ##Vote: prplhz On February 12 2013 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote: And actually before I go ##Unvote ##Vote Snarfs Oats I think Snarfs more likely today...but if that changes I SWEAR I'll be back. My vote is on prolhz in spirit. Now you're just lying, VE. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Either way you take this, you're mafia. Either you pushed a mafia agenda Day 3 and lied about it, or forgot you did it. Either way it's scummy, and either way I'm going to get you lynched tomorrow. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Okay, some of you are about to go WTF LOL NO WAI JAY SCUM BRAH!!! But hear me out. Jay has been taking so much flak from every single person in the game. Ever since his shit D1 plays to his hardcore attempt to get VE lynched --- everyone has been hounding him and yelling scum at him, including myself. I ask myself these questions; who are his scumbuddies? With the exception of Phagga, I can't really pin him with anyone else. Oats, dibbers, VE, all seem very unlikely candidates. Tomorrow's proposed Jay lynch seems as if it would come much too easily; everyone wants to lynch him. Well done busses throughout the entire game, or a misguided townie. Common likeliness would suggest the latter. I've got my gripes with scummyJay over this game, but at some point I have to let it go. He pushed VE, who is likely not scum atm -- so what. He's just my antithesis but that doesn't indicate scum every single time -- it just means he read actions differently and was confirmation biased on VE being red. I hate to think this, I really do. Jay I fucking hate you so much and I want to lynch you. My heart says JAYSCUMBRO, but my brain states otherwise. I've pinned two scummers right here Phagga and Debears Phagga is scum. This is nearly undebatable. His actions throughout the thread have pushed a mafia agenda and defend himself throughout. Almost nowhere in his filter did he wish to lynch Snarfs. At best, Snarfs was his "alternate" lynch (read: bus) throughout the game. Now Debears has been the so-called coinflip in this matter. Not here during the entirety of day 2-3, we are unable to observe Debear's actions. Since Debear's replacement he has: - Tunneled Jay - Not wanted to lynch Phagga - Said Phagga was moderately scummy but has to lynch Jay Now, what was so startling about Debears to me is his read on Phagga's vote. He said that it was a townish vote, and his overall read on Phagga was slight town. I'm thinking to myself: "How did Debears come to this conclusion?" Unless he has some sort of extra information, there is no conceivable way that Debears can find Phagga's vote NOT scummy. I know town Dibbers, and he would have been all over that vote shit. Debears was trying to keep Phagga off the ballot yesterday by soft-defending him. Nor did he push Prplhz, just tunneled Jay the entire day. A town replacement at this stage of the game has ZERO information. Did Debears read the thread and come to his own conclusions? I think so, yes. But why is he tunneling Jay? He is the EASIEST mislynch target for him and scum Phagga. Debears actions thus far have shown nothing but soft-defending Phagga and hard-tunneling Jay. He has hardly ever mentioned Oats, VE, or other targets of interest besides giving them town reads. Who is the third scum? 50% Oats, 50% VE. Straight up. Neither of the above scum have pushed VE other than Snarfs, but as well all like to assume this game is a huge bus fest. Oats is just Oats and he could be anything. I'm not sold on VE scum right yet, so I say we lynch Phagga tomorrow. When he flips red, we lynch Debears. Then we deal with Oats and VE. Who to lynch today? Tbh I've got a bigger hard on for SlOosh than Yamato. Both are probably town, so it doesn't matter we won't catch scum today. Sorry brother, you still have the highest chance to flip scum  ##Vote: Yamato Everyone just take a minute. Look at Phagga real good in relation to Snarfs and Debears. Look at Debear's posts about Phagga. Hell, just look at Phagga by himself. Jay not best lynch tomorrow, Phagga best lynch. Wagon of justice, confirmed. More to come later, extrapolating on some quotes and examples. Until then, work. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Why would you lynch me over Sloosh? Why are you making excuses for jay? Ugh. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 20 2013 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote: My filter is awash with posts trying to get Snarfs lynched. Prplhz more close fit the lurker demographic I was aiming into D1. It's all in my filter Yamato. Those posts were day 3! Wtf is wrong with you? stop trying to gloss over the fact that you lied about your agenda for day 3. THAT is what's in your filter. You may have talked about Snarfs as a scum read, but to say you were a proponent in his lynch is completely off the mark. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Vote: yamato77 | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Also does everyone notice that quite a few people say that phagga is scummy but then say oh but lets lynch jay first. They can openly call Phagga scum because he is scum but if they kill me first they win the game. Here are my reads good ole scummy list style but I want to give people my perspective of the game. Town SlOosh - Mafia put three town up to kill day 1. We have two flipped town from day 1. SloOsh was very lurky day 1 and could of been easily mislynched as the most useless town. It makes no sense if he was mafia to put him on the docket. Palmar got killed because scum found him the greatest threat for (for good reason). Yamato is one of the people having the most difficult time with accepting this. He is trying to throw reasons why it cant be all town. But just occam's razor this bitch and it seems obvious Mr.CC- While I considered he was bussing for a while. I don't think that is the case. His reads line up with me. He has been throwing out consistent thoughts for the most part of the game. He doesn't wanna to mislynch the fuck out of me. When as scum that would be the best move. His reads that he just gave are actually really good. I think his reads of Phagga and Debears make alot of sense. Oats- While not one of my strongest reads. I find that Oats consistent lack of figuring out the game has left a pretty good impression. Mocsta commentating this out before he died that the people trying to figure out the game. Where the ones that were most likely town. His defense of me earlier in the thread spoke volumes of him knowing my (bad) play as town. And not saying nothing as mafia would have done. And actually saying it in the thread so we didn't have an easy mislynch. Yamato77- Yamato has been the the least green of the bunch. Even tho ill probably end up killing him today. I think he has tried this game. And while some of his thoughts on nominations I disagree with. (Like his complete lack of consideration that we may have only town nominations. But given his constant posting and his desire to work out the game. He has shown that he cares about this game. Which is town by nature. Scum Phagga- His vote switches and his constant sheeping has shown that he should scum. I almost pulled my read on him because prlphz flipped town. But I don't think this is the case here. His vote switch onto Snarfs was very scummy and I won't go into detail on it. Debears- I had a scum read on Djo because of his lack of contributing and debears coming has not changed that. His acknowldging that Phagga is scummy. But pushing for my lynch has lead me to believe that the two are scum buds. It's kind of funny how scum always tend to push me. Cause I am such an easy mislynch. VE- VE has done jack the whole game. He as scum was soft pushing Snarfs with out even trying to get him lynched. As yamato has pointed out he actually wanted to lynch prplhz but claimed he was going after snarfs the whole game. I think we did in fact have a double scum lynch between Snarfs and VE and it would make sense why Phagga was so hesitant to kill VE at that point. He didn't wanna kill his partner. But if he got on Snarfs and VE flipped he wouldnt get any town cred. VE to this point hasn't been on the docket yet. And as a strong townie he should be. The fact that Yamato has now been elected but VE hasn't speaks volumes. (No offense Yamato) He hasn't done much as town. He hasn't driven discussion. He hasn't been pushing good reads. This lurky bit is scum Ve for sure. New improved scum team (with help from CC) VE, Phagga, Debears, Snarfs We lynch systematically into them. And win the game. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
but dont interpret this as a free pass. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 20 2013 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wow thats a sheep if i have ever seen one jay. good for you its on the wagon of justice. but dont interpret this as a free pass. I agree with your reads simply put. And I wouldnt even call it a real sheep dont forgot I was pushing Djo early on as scummy. Before anyone else even noticed him. I was actually on the VE wagon. And I reallllly wanted to lynch him. Also I been saying Phagga was scummy all game. Sooooo yea there's that. Anyway you say im likley town. And if we both agree on whos scum what's the problem | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
The fuck? If you looks like scum, sounds like scum, and votes like scum, it is scum. Jay is scum. If you think not, THEN FUCKING COUNTER MY PREVIOUS CASES AGAINST HIM. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
##Vote Yamato I want to keep sloosh around since he's a good player, and I consider CC a better player than yamato | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 20 2013 10:16 debears wrote: Cheesecake The fuck? If you looks like scum, sounds like scum, and votes like scum, it is scum. Jay is scum. If you think not, THEN FUCKING COUNTER MY PREVIOUS CASES AGAINST HIM. But what if its my town meta too look like scum. But regardless your scum this game. So no use talking about it. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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