EPTWhat I didn't tell you is why I doubt those, and I'm not going to. You've got to do better than equate phagga to Mocsta to prove he's scum.
You're making an association case here, which is incredibly scummy this early in day 1.
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yamato77
11589 Posts
What I didn't tell you is why I doubt those, and I'm not going to. You've got to do better than equate phagga to Mocsta to prove he's scum. You're making an association case here, which is incredibly scummy this early in day 1. | ||
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yamato77
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
One thing I didn't like about yamato's case on Mocsta doesn't even have to do with the content of the case...it's the lack of a vote attached to it. It's like he's feeling out the lynch before committing. Yamato accuses Mocsta of "fabricating" his read on Oats, but most of what he's accusing Mocsta of is not even alignment indicative. Honestly, I don't even know what "fabricating" a read means. On the whole, I don't like what I've seen from yamato so far. It's reminiscent of his attack on me in the last game we played. Lemme go take a look at phagga. I noticed that he was your top read only a few posts ago, now he's "to a lesser degree". Should I assume you're disliking yamato more now? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 07 2013 03:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh you. Of course I can't consolidate my posts. ^^ I'm not even spamming. One thing I didn't like about yamato's case on Mocsta doesn't even have to do with the content of the case...it's the lack of a vote attached to it. It's like he's feeling out the lynch before committing. Yamato accuses Mocsta of "fabricating" his read on Oats, but most of what he's accusing Mocsta of is not even alignment indicative. Honestly, I don't even know what "fabricating" a read means. On the whole, I don't like what I've seen from yamato so far. It's reminiscent of his attack on me in the last game we played. Lemme go take a look at phagga. I noticed that he was your top read only a few posts ago, now he's "to a lesser degree". Should I assume you're disliking yamato more now? I already have my vote on him. I understand what you're saying, though I don't think this is anything like my attack on you in Normal 4. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
In fact, I never said that I think Phagga is mafia. So that's strike two. The topic is "why is yamato calling Mocsta scum and isn't calling Phagga scum when they share the same tells?" On February 07 2013 03:35 slOosh wrote: What's most concerning for me, is that for you, Phagga should be just as guilty of these tells: It doesn't matter how valid the tells are. Even the most stubborn and illogical of townies adhere strictly to their way of thinking. You are displaying a contradiction and the backlash / defensive attacks don't look too good. What about Phagga did you find that made you doubt your scumminess? Until you can adequately answer this, I'm devoting myself for your lynch today. ##Vote: yamato77 | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Lol. Okay. Sure. Waste today thinking that. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On February 07 2013 03:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Lemme go take a look at phagga. I noticed that he was your top read only a few posts ago, now he's "to a lesser degree". Should I assume you're disliking yamato more now? Let's be clear with our language. I never called Phagga scum. Just because I'm interested in a person doesn't mean I think they are scum. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On February 07 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote: So, I'm mafia because I won't tell you why I think phagga might be town? Lol. Okay. Sure. Waste today thinking that. Lol dodge more. You are mafia because I called you out on a bs read and you can't back it up. Only scum make b.s. reads because their knowledge precedes that of town and they jump the gun as in your case. If everyone would note yamato's dismissive and condescending attitude in his approach to this topic, that would be great. | ||
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yamato77
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Or what? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
First, you think phagga is "interesting" or whatever, which should in this context mean that you think he might be or is mafia. If not, why mention it? Then I agree with your general thoughts, but disagree ultimately because of town tells in his filter, which I won't give out because it's giving mafia an advantage to talk about what makes you see people as town. Then I make my case on Mocsta, which you disagree with for your own reasons, but then say I SHOULD have a mafia read on Phagga based on the same logic, and call me mafia for it. All this time, what do you think Phagga is? Mafia? Town? If you think he's mafia, why are you trying to push a case on me for not thinking he is? If you think he's town, why are you talking about him like you think he's mafia? If you don't have a read on him at all, why did you mention it? And why is me talking about my conflicting views on Phagga's play somehow scummy? Lots of questions, very little answers in your filter so far. I'm being dismissive because it seems ridiculous to me that you think I'm mafia in this situation, but I've seen weirder so you get the benefit of the doubt. Explain yourself. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Got replace in super quickly I see. Had most of the thread read earlier this morning in the library... had a notepad of reads going on but forgot to save it. I'll do a cliffnotes version. Phagga, snarfs, and Djo were dem scummers in my book. Snarfs Been playing super neutral so far and non confrontational. Example: On February 06 2013 14:38 Snarfs wrote: I could point out that it looks like one or both of you are purposefully being stubborn to try to draw reactions out of scum, possibly some sort of trap, but I don't know either of you well enough to give you that much credit. If you CAN do something, then you do it. This post serves no purpose other than to illustrate that either Oats or Mocsta could be stubborn for "possibly" some sort of trap, but then says he doesn't have enough information. On February 06 2013 16:22 Snarfs wrote: I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing. Another null tell. On February 06 2013 14:34 Snarfs wrote: Not really being swayed either way. Looks like standard day 1 banter. The only real stance he had on someone is VE, but the only justification is for his "disappearing act". Snarfs has had plenty of time to justify his vote, but all I see is "lol people were shouting in thread you weren't there must be scum". Apart from that, the only thing he's done is talk about WIFOM crap. Snarfs plz do something instead of trying to be all blendy and stuff, k? Phagga My notes for Phagga were a bunch of sarcastic comments and "ahmigawd stawp defending urself". He's ultra defensive yo. On February 06 2013 18:55 phagga wrote: I never wanted to imply those things. I see Oats behaviour as disruptive, and I see how he misinterpreted your posts. It is also fine that you call him out on this, it's just the way you did it on a few occasions that got my attention. First, I never ever wanted to suggest we RNG the votes! That would kill of discussion and is absolutely unnecessary. I just wanted to say that statistically, random lynches on D1 would be more successful than what town normally is doing, hence lynching lurkers (who can be a liability for town later on) D1 is a viable option. Nevertheless, our goal has to be to find scum and lynch them, starting D1. How the D1 lynch should go down IMO: - If we have a clear scum suspect, let's lynch him - If not, but there is a lurker who we can not get any alignement of, lynch him. Finally, only because the setup SHOULD mitigate lurking does not mean there will be no lurkers. "OMG, I never wanted to suggest anti-town things! I most certainly am not anti-town!" (the NEVER EVER made me lol) A lot of his posts are just summing up stuff that we should be doing D1 instead of actually doing it. He also calls out Palmar, who seems to be an easy target right now. Kind of like when people want to lynch a town Mr. Z, they're always scum >.> On February 07 2013 01:04 phagga wrote: Djo: I'm not gonna lynch a random target. I don't know what to do with Oats currently, he is either scum trying to shit up the thread to disrupt town, or stubborn, but I'm sure not just gonnay vote for him because you claim he came up on your RNG. Also, prplhz not scum, and Palmar better gets some more content in here. ^ I'd also like to see some justification for that plx. Djodref Basically my gut is saying he's scummy. I've never seen Djo suggest a random lynch. He is, however, always speculating about like setup (like in witchcraft, when he was the witch hunter). He is usually an advocate of "Yo, lynch this scummy guy he is scum right here. Don't lynch that lurker / random guy lynch this SCUM YO!" I have no idea why he's being so adamant about it either. Seems like lynchbait right now though. Oh, you want to lynch randomly? DIEDIESCUM kind of lynchbait. It's certainly a bold play if he's red. As for the Oats / Mocsta thing... Oats seems super town to me. I can't even explain it. I picked him out of a lineup day 1 when he was scum, he's just rubbing me kinda townie so far. Mocsta, idk, most of these day 1 Hapa-DP-esque things usually ends up in both being town. It would be incredibly foolish to lynch him day 1 methinks anyway. All in all, Snarfs is scummy. Reminds me of Mr. Cheesecake scum in my first newbie being all blendy and neutral and such. ##Vote: Snarfs | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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yamato77
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I think this was just a misunderstanding. You thought I had a town read I didn't. Fair enough. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 07 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote: So, I'm mafia because I won't tell you why I think phagga might be town? Lol. Okay. Sure. Waste today thinking that. Dude, just tell him now. You don't want slOosh and his case on your back today because you're going to end up getting lynched. The case is pretty decent and I'd say you stand a good chance of getting lynched today, or at the very least you're going to attract a lot of attention to yourself which is not something we generally want out of a townie on day 1. So just say what you found in phagga's filter that makes you see him as town in spite of how he has done things that put you on to your main scum read. Your excuse that you wont say because "mafia will just talk about it" doesn't hold. Your read is absolutely void unless you can explain it to other people in this thread so get going please. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:09 phagga wrote: I just want to add something shorty in terms of lynching lurkers: D1 lynches are often crapshots, Kitaman analysed in anohter thread that town would be better off RNG the D1 lynch generally than trying to analyse and find scum. Combine this with the beformentioned fact that we have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them, I therefore embrace a lynch on a lurker on who we cannot get an alignement read, should one be available. Regarding you, Mocsta, I don't agree with VE that you tried to establish a good town atmosphere. You are writing calm, but some things you posted like Oats, this game is obviously too much of a step up in difficulty for your current forum-mafia skill level. Just quit and let someone that knows how to play replace you. are not helping creating a good town atmosphere. Did you really think Oats would say "oh well, I guess he's right, can I get a replacement GMarshal?" This subtle stabs have a tendency to poison town atmoshpere much more than the shouting of Oats did, and I did not like this at all. Considering that everything else you posted is barely alignement indicative, I'll be interested to see more from you. While this is, indeed, similar language to Mocsta and my mafia tell on him, the fact that he points out things about Mocsta in general so far makes me think him more town. Why would one mafia player pick at his mate this early in the game? It's a weak tell, like I've said, but it is one nonetheless. On February 07 2013 01:04 phagga wrote: Djo: I'm not gonna lynch a random target. I don't know what to do with Oats currently, he is either scum trying to shit up the thread to disrupt town, or stubborn, but I'm sure not just gonnay vote for him because you claim he came up on your RNG. Also, prplhz not scum, and Palmar better gets some more content in here. He reached the same conclusion I did about Prplhz, something I find encouraging for his town alignment. Perhaps this is a little foolhardy, to think someone town for thinking like me, but giving out a quick town read like that is also a towntell to me in general. On February 07 2013 01:41 phagga wrote: Regarding Palmar, I dont like how he throws a vote without explanation and then in his next post he implies: "Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay?" Sloosh, do you mean me talking about lurkers or about Mocsta/Oats? He calls out Palmar, and gives an accurate analysis of what he's done so far. While I know Palmar can, and will, do this as either mafia or town, the fact that he bothers to notice and point it out is somewhat encouraging. Again, I could be wrong about this as people agreeing with my first impressions aren't always town, but it's enough for me to doubt him being mafia, which is what I've said about him so far. Happy now? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
However, as mafia in Normal 4, I gave them out like candy. If you think I'm mafia, go read those two games and rethink your position. | ||
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yamato77
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What about my case, where I showcase the similarity in meta to this game and NMM XXXV, is or isn't good? What about his play this game is townlike? Discuss. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 07 2013 01:11 JieXian wrote: + Show Spoiler + Mocsha soooo scummy!!! Clear evidence of lying and trolling up the thread since his first post: On February 05 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote: Im pretty excited for the even day dynamics. The risk/reward of putting 3 town for nomination, reminds me of the whole bodyguard speculation. It can even go as wild as putting in 3 scum; to bus one and clear the other 2. Either way, wont talk about this anymore till game starts. On February 06 2013 11:02 Mocsta wrote: Hey all the usual stuff Im +8 GMT & nominating myself for mayor o.0 On February 06 2013 11:04 Mocsta wrote: ooo.. nominations referred to Even Days. *sigh* VE: Plan is still in action  Pretends to not know about the game when he already did speculate about the nomination mechanic... wtf is this? That coupled with oats' meta read doesn't make it look too good for you mochsta Oh Hai there. So Mocsta is scum because of a pregame post and some troll post? Have you read the rest of his filter? Have you actually read the thread? What do you think of Yamato and sloosh? What do you say about snarfs sudden dissappearance? What's your stance on lurking? Palmar On February 07 2013 02:19 Palmar wrote: Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay? <3 But seriously, as I know you don't read the OPs of games, let me tell you something: There are no nightkills. There are only lynches. So how about you stop trolling and start showing us your townie side? Do you think you could do that? On February 07 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Phagga My notes for Phagga were a bunch of sarcastic comments and "ahmigawd stawp defending urself". He's ultra defensive yo. "OMG, I never wanted to suggest anti-town things! I most certainly am not anti-town!" (the NEVER EVER made me lol) A lot of his posts are just summing up stuff that we should be doing D1 instead of actually doing it. He also calls out Palmar, who seems to be an easy target right now. Kind of like when people want to lynch a town Mr. Z, they're always scum >.> Uh, Mocsta asked me questions under the wrong assumptions, that's why I wanted to make it clear to him that he did assume wrong things? You even posted the relevant quotes from him. Not sure why this is bad. Assuming Palmar is town, he knows nothing about prplhz alignement. Prplhz posts are not scum indicative for me, so he is a null tell. Alas, I don't think he is scum, and if Palmar is serious about his vote on prphlz (which I doubt), then he better explains why. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
How nice of you to appear! What are YOUR thoughts on Yamato/Sloosh? You conveniently forgot to mention us in that post there. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
You know yamato for someone who's so against talking about townreads, you seem to be keen on asking people for theirs in the form of seeking arguments against your case. Are you aware of that? | ||
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