EPTSeriously, I'm done trying to convince you. I'll just convince someone else to vote with me and you'll either have to consolidate or fucking LOSE Yamato. Tired of this.
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Seriously, I'm done trying to convince you. I'll just convince someone else to vote with me and you'll either have to consolidate or fucking LOSE Yamato. Tired of this. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 22 2013 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Palmar showed up and tried to DERAIL THE JX LYNCH! I thought that meant that JX was his scumbuddy and I was willing to consolidate on JX based on his inactivity ANYWAY. Yes, you do have confirmation bias. All of the points you're saying are "irrefutable" have been refuted - you're just flailing around now going "Just sheep me town I'm right" without even CONSIDERING that you might be wrong. WHICH YOU FUCKING ARE. That's a pathetic excuse. You are not that fucking bad at this game as town, VE. I'm not wrong. Nothing I'm doing right now is flailing around because no one has taken me head on with the points I raise in my full case. You're arguing part of it, an important part, but it's obvious from this response that you're just full of shit. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 22 2013 04:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I fucking tried to get Snarfs lynched. I made a case that ALL OF YOU SLOOSH AND PALMAR IGNORED. You fucking IGNORED MY CASE ON SCUM Yamato. Yet I'M the one who HAS TO BE scum right? Seriously, I'm done trying to convince you. I'll just convince someone else to vote with me and you'll either have to consolidate or fucking LOSE Yamato. Tired of this. Yes, get angry. If you die you'll probably lose, and if you don't you probably win, so here we are. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Why are you refusing to read and refute my jay case with specific evidence? Why are you refusing to look at the context of day 1? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 22 2013 04:08 debears wrote: Yamato you didn't read my case at all. Why are you refusing to read and refute my jay case with specific evidence? Why are you refusing to look at the context of day 1? Because you can't even argue that VE is town well enough to convince me. Stop trying to derail. VE is the mafia here, and after he's dead, you're a sitting duck so you have to be invested in his defense. Nothing more, nothing less. Paint me as confirmation biased, whatever, but you're not going to get me to move my vote and I have phagga, jay, and Oats with me. That's enough to win. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Why are you and me the only ones talking here? Why did those 3 immediately settle on ve without cases and then not contributr st all? Wake up | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Just concede. I know the scum team and you can't kill me. After today, town will all sheep me to victory anyway. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 22 2013 04:13 debears wrote: Yeah because people who don't show up at lylo and try to figure out the game are so obviously town. Why are you and me the only ones talking here? Why did those 3 immediately settle on ve without cases and then not contributr st all? Wake up If one of them is mafia, as you say, then they're bussing their teammate at lylo. Somehow I find that unlikely. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Yamato you can't deny what's right there in my cases, that's why you wont refute them This loss is on you and cc | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 22 2013 04:27 debears wrote: I love it when peoplr don't make cases, don't refute cases, and then just automatically assume they are right. Yamato you can't deny what's right there in my cases, that's why you wont refute them This loss is on you and cc I did make a gigantic fucking case about VE. I will not listen to anything else today. You cannot discredit me or WIFOM anything about what VE's done because I'm right, and the townies following me know I'm right. I know the mafia team, and you guys are showing your true colors today, just as I expected. But more in that later, if you don't just concede. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On February 22 2013 04:29 yamato77 wrote: I did make a gigantic fucking case about VE. I will not listen to anything else today. You cannot discredit me or WIFOM anything about what VE's done because I'm right, and the townies following me know I'm right. I know the mafia team, and you guys are showing your true colors today, just as I expected. But more in that later, if you don't just concede. Yeah and I just made a huge counter case showing actual context refuting your case. You just refuse to reply to anythung in it specifically because you are wrong and know it Fuck this you are actually scum yamato. Maybe phagga is town after all | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Lemme refute that for you. Its called distancing. Here lets look at this. Its me and Xatalos doing the same damn thing day 1. (But we did it better) We both tried to lynch each other HARD. We completely focused each other. "Losing 2/3's of the scum's thread presense as debears would say" We only pushed for each others lynch. We would of bussed the other person as well if the opportunity came up. You make a big thing of them having to plan it. Its not that hard. Also as scum you should go with the flow and comment on things as you see them. If VE sees something Snarfs did that was scummy. Then he should comment on it as scum and do the same thing he would do if he was town. But his hesitantcy shows he didn't do it well. And he easily switched to another townie lynch. While at the same time distancing himself from Snarfs. Your argument that VE is town cause Snarfs is scum doesn't hold water. On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote: Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting. On January 13 2013 14:58 jaybrundage wrote: Da fuck I have been scum hunting have you read my filter. I was pressuring Supersoft, and defending a town read I have. Dont throw baseless accusations at me. Atm your looking kinda scummy you ask questions in the thread never draw any conclusions about the things you ask. You have a scum read on Kush and then when he changes his read on Mr.Zentor you say that hes too scummy to be scum hes town. ????? dafuq Thats after a single fucking small post. You got lynched last game day one for you 180's that make no damn sense and your doing them again this game. The only thing that make's me hesitate to lynch you is that your such giant lynch bait. I also am not sure about Kush both of you guys have such fluctuating reads. Kush goes from this guy is scum vote. To oh wait ok hes not scum. To explaining why hes prolly not scum to being scum again. Like is this normal? On January 14 2013 07:52 Xatalos wrote: I'm trying to find any actual scumhunting in your filter, but it's just not there. - You called Kush scummy for entering the thread in an anti-town fashion (extremely easy to attack a controversial player like that, and you never pursued this read anyway - you even corrected that his play was anti-town and not scummy later, so what caused this significant change of wording?) - You called supersoft useless (not scummy though - this stab at supersoft was extremely unimpactful, weak and definitely neither pressure nor scumhunting, it achieved nothing for the thread) And now you actually freak out and start accusing me suddenly. Is the pressure too much? Why would a townie react like that? I bet it's because you're scum and desperate to get off this situation. Combined with your absolute lack of effort to progress scumhunting so far, you're a very decent lynch at the moment. ##Vote jaybrundage On January 14 2013 11:34 jaybrundage wrote: I wanted to pressure Kush with my post. I believe i succeeded in that. Supersoft had just called Zentor scum with no base and just some red txt. I dont find anything wrong with calling him out on it. He hasnt done much this game and I have no qualms with my suspicious of him. Why do you say I freakout. The only thing you have done so far of any significance is to put a vote me. Hell i prefer this then that questioning bullshit you been putting out. At least your doing something. My only concern is im not sure whos more scummy you or supersoft. On January 15 2013 01:38 Xatalos wrote: What's with this vote? Let's look at the arguments: - My case doesn't seem to have much merit (what's this supposed to mean? it does have some merit but not enough? how is that scummy?) - You don't like my hard flip on Kush (as I said, I've had a townread on Kush ever since he entered the thread by grabbing attention, and only for a moment did I suspect him after one blatantly scummy post - after his response I concluded that it actually belonged well enough with his "too scummy to be scum" verdict and dropped that line of thought - there's a fast switch of stance there, but it's nothing out of the ordinary when considering his scummy posting and especially that one post) - You say I've done less than you (really? all you've done is call Kush scummy for grabbing attention, take a stab at supersoft for being useless, and call me scum for... basically posting a case with some merit, giving serious thought to Kush's alignment and apparently doing less than yourself, although I've clearly been more active and taken more stances than you) This whole case feels forced and unconvinced. Even more so with vague wording like "his attack of me doesn't seem to have much merit", "I don't like his posts" and "seems like hes trying to go for an easy mislynch" (and what the heck, how is this an "easy mislynch", since most people here think you're town?). Speaking of that, MrZentor, do you currently think Jay is town? What do you think about his latest posts? On January 14 2013 13:11 jaybrundage wrote: WBG Answer this plz. I could lynch either one. But imma gonna go ahead and go with Xatalos. I dont like his posts. His attack of me doesnt seem to have much merit. I dont like his hard flip on Kush. Hes calling me out for doing nothing when hes done less. He throws some baseless accusations at me and just seems like hes trying ot go for an easy mislynch. Scum seem to have a habit of trying to get me mislynched day one. Soo why not use it to my advantage. I think your scum trying to put some pressure on an easy target. Well fuck that. ##Vote Xatalos On January 15 2013 03:19 Xatalos wrote: Why won't you do something useful then instead of complaining how much of a lynchbait you are? On January 15 2013 03:37 Xatalos wrote: Why are you so vague in your suspicion of me? You use wording like "his play seemed a lot like scum" or "I have a feeling like that is what is happening here". Do you think so or do you merely suggest that thought to others? And that last part is just WIFOM. On January 15 2013 02:55 jaybrundage wrote: I have been quieter this game unfortunately a combination of my work schedule, and I find it hard to contribute day one especially with so many new people I haven't played with before. During Hero MM i got mislynched so I have been working to change the way I play the game. Look up my most recent game in British MM if you wanna see my most recent play. One of the things I have been trying to eliminate is posting with out having a clear goal in mind cause people usually end up mislynching me : ( @X Im not gonna go down a useless arguement about who has done what in cases of usefulness. And yes usually im an easy mislynch because I dont properly display townie traits when I am in fact town. Regardless I have been trying to change this British MM was a result of that. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 22 2013 05:30 debears wrote: Yeah and I just made a huge counter case showing actual context refuting your case. You just refuse to reply to anythung in it specifically because you are wrong and know it Fuck this you are actually scum yamato. Maybe phagga is town after all Explain why Yamato wanted to lynch himself then so that his reads could be proven to be from a confirmed town. The only reason we lynched Snarfs instead was because Oats had doubts about him and his motives. Why would scum want to kill him self so that he could be a confirmed townie. That makes no sense. In the slightest. Also the fact that no one that has been nominated has been scum yet. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Good stuff. Also, I predicted you calling me scum, haha. Have to discredit me somehow. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
But you're the one who dies today. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
D1 play This is one of Jays better posts in British Empire D1: On January 05 2013 14:22 jaybrundage wrote: You have attempted to not trod on anyones toes this game. You think hapa and dp are town you think Xalatos is town/null You give some weak reads on yamato and me. And then you say you would consider voting DP but would be hesitant. Question what made you switch? You said you thought he was town, But now you can see your self voting for him. What made you go from probably town to possible lynch target as scum. Also with all that has happened in the thread any new scum reads? He is drawing his own conclusion, asking questions, trying to figure stuff out. He is not scared to put his vote on someone who is not currently under scrutiny by others: On January 06 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote: First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position. The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched. The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong. Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game. He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff. He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing. ##Unvote ##Vote Mr.CheeseCake Also he is constantly asking others about their opinions on his case and his scum reads. He is trying to figure stuff out. Of course Mr. Cheese was town, so he was tunneling a townie, but there is a clear position to be found in his play. If I compare this to Nomination mafia, His D1 play is similar. In the very first post, he makes an analysis of the player he does not like and votes him: On February 07 2013 09:42 jaybrundage wrote: Howdy all The person that stuck out the post for me was Djo. I'm surprised more people haven't commented on him. He starts out with his post. He seemingly "randomly" picks Oats out for a RNG lynch. But he uses Oats post number and uses a number that will give him Oats as his target. Its not random so why does he call it random. He proposes using the random lynch to create discussion. But then uses it as an excuse to stop conversation and discussion and not give his thoughts on Mocsta. When Oats ask's him what his thoughts are on lynching him. Djo again dodges the question further showing that he never intended to try to participate in the conversation and discussion that his RNG lynch was supposed to create. He instead sidesteps the question because he wants other players to comment first. Citing Palmar as well trying to get solid town vet behind it. Every since his RNG lynch he has been pushing Oats and not really contributing hiding behind his lynch to get away with saying anything of significance. Town Djo can write a damn good case. I think we have scum Djo here hiding behind a RNG to not contribute. Also note his complete disappearing act after contributing nothing. ##Vote Djodref He is trying to pressure him, asks other people about his case and is interested in figuring Djo out. HOWEVER, the vote switch to JX is a bit off. His argumentation is that we have to consolidate, so he switches to JX who he thinks has a good chance to flip scum. On February 08 2013 02:54 jaybrundage wrote: In response to prplhz about my pressure on Djo. I pressured Djo because I didn't like the way he was posting and using his RNG lynch to avoid discussion. I still don't see him as town and think people have let him go to quick as silly town. As i stated tho we need to consolidate and i would be fine doing it on JX. While he started posting he is doing a terrible job of establishing his townieness and i still think he can flip scum. Also how the votes are spread out makes me think that JX has an even likelier chance to flip scum. Palmar I would would like your thoughts on the JX lynch In British Empire, he kept his vote on Cheesecake even though town was consolidating on another target, as he said he thought that the target was not scum. The situations are therefore not directly comparable. Regarding his sheeping It is very true that it seems to be his normal town play to sheep strong town leaders. He sheeps Hapa like made in British IF he thinks that Hapas reads make sense. Jay openly disagrees with Hapa on DP, while blatantly sheeping him on other occasions. On January 08 2013 13:44 jaybrundage wrote: Yes I Sheeped Hapa in that moment, as did most of the thread on his case on you. Then Hapa turned around and gave you a town read. He explained his thought process a bit but i wasnt quite convinced. Why is it wrong to not go with everyones reads. I see nothing wrong with being suspicious of you. Would you pref i just sheep whatever the fuck hapa is saying. I then asked him again how many games he played with you has he been able to read you well before and he gave me two instances when he correctly read you as town. So with the new information i decided that I could change my read on you as scum to leaning townie. I didn't just drop my scummy read. I looked at new information presented and changed it accordingly. I believe you do the same. he is also always asking for Hapas opinions on stuff. We see the same sheeping here in Nomination, even with the occasional disagreement. I don't think I need to quote anything here from the current game. Jay is lynchbait British Empire: Jay generally played ok on D1. However, after Yamato (scum) hammered Xatalos kinda premature, Jay got pissed at him, which prompted the following reaction from Hapa: On January 08 2013 07:22 jaybrundage wrote: First off I didn't think some people would just hammer out of the blue. I expected town to reach a conclusion together and as a whole. Im also not used to Instant lynch. I thought I would have more time. I did try to stop the lynch before it happened. When i checked on the thread. Xatalos was at 4. So I posted that we shouldnt move on the lynch. But it was to late at that point and i got ninja'd by Yamatos hammer. I had a null read on Xatalos Slighty leaning townie. I put my vote where my suspicions lie and it is and still has been CC. Why do you have this terrible town read on him. Would you be down for a lynch on him tmw? Also Z-Boson is kinda erking me. I have played with him only once before that i can remember and he did a good job as scum. So im kind of suspicious of him to say the least... I fully support DPs case. And that we should move on the lynch Later on he also wrote that he would be down with a ShiaoPi lynch, followed by this post: On January 08 2013 13:48 jaybrundage wrote: DP how do you feel about a Shaiopi lynch i think his stark inactivity could hurt us whether hes scum or town? Which of course got him the accusation that he did not care if he lynched town or mafia. Several People started to call him out, until he got help from Hapa to settle things. But its a nice example of why he seems to get into trouble. I got the impression that he sometimes writes faster than he thinks, which leads to posts that are ambigous, which then leads to him getting in trouble. However, when I compare his play in British with Nomination, there really is not much of a difference. Except for one point. Stance on Lurkers On January 08 2013 13:48 jaybrundage wrote: DP how do you feel about a Shaiopi lynch i think his stark inactivity could hurt us whether hes scum or town? That post was at D2. compare it to his reaction of the snarfs lynch on D3: On February 13 2013 11:21 jaybrundage wrote: Wow did not see that coming. Snarf's complete lack of input this game really made me think he was just a silent townie. Glad you guys saw who was scum better then I did. Great job town This does not match at all. He clearly states in British that silent people hurt town, no matter if they are scum or town. However, in Nomination he is willing to just let snarfs slide by as "silent townie". This is really the big difference between the two plays. considering that snarfs flipped scum, that really does not help his case. On the other side I have to say that his meta seems quite alike to his town game in British Empire. IF he is mimicking his town meta as scum, he is generally doing a pretty good job. Not impossible, but improbable. I promised to also go through his scum game and (if I find time) through another town game. I can't do that tonight, I really need sleep. I do hope I will be able to deliver it before tomorrows deadline (in the next 26 hours or so). I tried to follow the argument of VE and Yamato, and I still think VE is scum. However, i will reread this for sure tomorrow and give you an update. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
If you're so hip to lose why not just concede? I'm down, fucking scum have us pwnzd. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On February 21 2013 02:55 yamato77 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Yamato77 You kill me, and Sloosh leads the lynch on VE tomorrow. That's the plan, don't fuck it up. On February 21 2013 06:35 BioSC wrote: Day 6 Vote Count: slOosh (2): yamato77 (5): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, debears, slOosh, yamato77 Deadline in ~4.5 hours. jaybrundage has yet to vote. Currently yamato77 is set to be lynched. Yeah that's martyring. He was behind by 2 in the votecount anyways. Everyone was set on lynching him. What does acting the martyr do to harm him as scum? | ||
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