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On February 21 2013 16:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nomination wifom best wifom. I see your point, though. As I said, I want to be 100% sure of this lynch. There are other possibilities to consider. screaming VE scum over and over at lylo doesnt achieve much. It just makes you bad, even if you are right.
Yamato, characteristically you are a very confirmation biased and clouded townie. Im nkt saying you arent right in this case, but there are better ways to go about things.
I'll do a full write up tomorrow on who we should lymch. If it's VE, cool. wagon of justice.
Look, dude, I made my case.
It's fucking lylo, and the scum team is in front of you.
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off ta bed. Will be back tomorrow with da good stuffz
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On February 21 2013 16:18 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 16:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nomination wifom best wifom. I see your point, though. As I said, I want to be 100% sure of this lynch. There are other possibilities to consider. screaming VE scum over and over at lylo doesnt achieve much. It just makes you bad, even if you are right.
Yamato, characteristically you are a very confirmation biased and clouded townie. Im nkt saying you arent right in this case, but there are better ways to go about things.
I'll do a full write up tomorrow on who we should lymch. If it's VE, cool. wagon of justice. Look, dude, I made my case. It's fucking lylo, and the scum team is in front of you.
I made my case, and you still have not said you would look over it. I have complied and agreed to look over yours.
You are being stubborn and uncompliant, which is exactly the recipe for a mislynch in lylo.
If you notice my location tag, it is late and I don't want to have to thread dive (your VE case lacks the context behind his posts)
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Yamato you're either scum or an idiot if you dont want to take things slowly today.
unfortunately you're probably the latter.
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On February 21 2013 16:17 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 16:16 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:11 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:10 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:09 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:07 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:07 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:02 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
le wifom up in here. could be double bus could not be double bus. what do. read my case on VE, walk away with complete knowledge of his play this game and how even with the snarfs association, he's still completely mafia. Then lynch him, and scum concede. Read my case on jay, lynch jay, lynch oats, scum concede Who is third mafia? ... Lol. Could be you by the way you are going  Phagga's lack of posting is inclining me towards him. So why is Jay town yamato? Put your money where your mouth is and make a case on me, bitch. Jay is town because that guy IS Best Mislynch WORLD. That is the worst reasoning in the world. Show me through analysis of his play Jay's town meta is to look scummy, all the damn time. Analyzing his play from some objective sense of how town and mafia play does no good, because he doesn't play that way. Scum motivation behind the posts and scummy posts are two different things
I highly doubt jay is actually mafia.
When he was mafia, he didn't even bother to have reads or cases, he just did shit randomly and trolled.
It's blatantly obvious that he cares about figuring out this game, and has been involved with town about his reads. His drop of me during day 3 was the towniest thing I've ever seen jay do.
Believe me when I say, I've been mafia in this exact same situation. In British Empire, I tried to get jay/zentor lynched SO HARD, but town Hapa knew better. Town Hapa identified jay's level of contribution to the game as a solid heuristic towards his towniness, correctly so. You have to prove jay is scum by meta, and right now he's not matching it at all.
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On February 21 2013 16:17 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 16:14 phagga wrote:
I said yesterday that either sloosh or VE is scum. Sloosh flipped green, here we go.
## Vote VE
Would also lynch jay. Could you scream mafia any louder, phagga?
Yeah, I can. Is that alignment-indicative? Also, I am in the train, so I don't really want to scream right now.
Don't you worry, Yamato, I got more to write, but not from the phone. Also, noone gives a shit about what I post by now anyway, at least that's how I perceive it, cause I am totes scum, you know.
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On February 21 2013 16:23 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 16:17 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:16 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:11 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:10 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:09 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:07 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:07 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:02 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
le wifom up in here. could be double bus could not be double bus. what do. read my case on VE, walk away with complete knowledge of his play this game and how even with the snarfs association, he's still completely mafia. Then lynch him, and scum concede. Read my case on jay, lynch jay, lynch oats, scum concede Who is third mafia? ... Lol. Could be you by the way you are going Phagga's lack of posting is inclining me towards him. So why is Jay town yamato? Put your money where your mouth is and make a case on me, bitch. Jay is town because that guy IS Best Mislynch WORLD. That is the worst reasoning in the world. Show me through analysis of his play Jay's town meta is to look scummy, all the damn time. Analyzing his play from some objective sense of how town and mafia play does no good, because he doesn't play that way. Scum motivation behind the posts and scummy posts are two different things I highly doubt jay is actually mafia. When he was mafia, he didn't even bother to have reads or cases, he just did shit randomly and trolled. It's blatantly obvious that he cares about figuring out this game, and has been involved with town about his reads. His drop of me during day 3 was the towniest thing I've ever seen jay do. Believe me when I say, I've been mafia in this exact same situation. In British Empire, I tried to get jay/zentor lynched SO HARD, but town Hapa knew better. Town Hapa identified jay's level of contribution to the game as a solid heuristic towards his towniness, correctly so. You have to prove jay is scum by meta, and right now he's not matching it at all.
Link me the Hapa post if possible and I'll take a look at it
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On February 21 2013 16:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yamato you're either scum or an idiot if you dont want to take things slowly today.
unfortunately you're probably the latter.
stop letting your preconceptions about how I play this game cloud your ability to judge my case on VE
He's goddamn mafia. I'm CONVINCED. There's no other explanation for this game, and how it's playing out right now than Phagga/VE/Debears.
Don't let debears fool you. He's good at mafia, I'll admit, because he's good at arguing. Better than me. But seriously, take what you know of jay, and take what you know of VE, and think about how they've played this game. Jay's pushed his reads harder than VE. VE as town is anything but limp-wristed.
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Yamato, can you link Jay's town games and say how this game is similar, and his scum games and say how this game is different, since your town read on him is pure meta?
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On February 21 2013 16:27 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 16:23 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:17 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:16 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:11 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:10 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:09 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:07 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 16:07 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 16:02 yamato77 wrote:
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read my case on VE, walk away with complete knowledge of his play this game and how even with the snarfs association, he's still completely mafia.
Then lynch him, and scum concede. Read my case on jay, lynch jay, lynch oats, scum concede Who is third mafia? ... Lol. Could be you by the way you are going Phagga's lack of posting is inclining me towards him. So why is Jay town yamato? Put your money where your mouth is and make a case on me, bitch. Jay is town because that guy IS Best Mislynch WORLD. That is the worst reasoning in the world. Show me through analysis of his play Jay's town meta is to look scummy, all the damn time. Analyzing his play from some objective sense of how town and mafia play does no good, because he doesn't play that way. Scum motivation behind the posts and scummy posts are two different things I highly doubt jay is actually mafia. When he was mafia, he didn't even bother to have reads or cases, he just did shit randomly and trolled. It's blatantly obvious that he cares about figuring out this game, and has been involved with town about his reads. His drop of me during day 3 was the towniest thing I've ever seen jay do. Believe me when I say, I've been mafia in this exact same situation. In British Empire, I tried to get jay/zentor lynched SO HARD, but town Hapa knew better. Town Hapa identified jay's level of contribution to the game as a solid heuristic towards his towniness, correctly so. You have to prove jay is scum by meta, and right now he's not matching it at all. Link me the Hapa post if possible and I'll take a look at it
On January 05 2013 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Xalatos
Welcome! Thoughts on DP appreciated!
Regarding your own points:
MrZ - He tends to do very "trolly" stuff as town and scum. His early-game in Witchcraft Mini is a good example, where he self-votes himself and just posts a couple of meaningless one-liners for most of Day 1 (as town). I'm not too worried about MrZ, as I think reading him is fairly easy. He's very clammy and afraid to post as scum. He's much more open and jokey as town.
JayBrundage - He's lynch-bait (see Hero Mini Mafia). We should definitely encourage him to post more, but he's a pretty easy mislynch (if he's town) because he tends to make sparse and wishy-washy posts.
Mr.CC - I think he's fairly similar to MrZ. I'm not very worried about reading him, because I feel he has a hard time replicating his "jokey" town-meta. His inactivity so far is a concern, but I'm not sure how much of that is due to RL business.
Not that it'll change your mind.
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Man Debears is really trying his best to get the mislynch lynched.
DEBEARS STOP FUCKING IGNORING ME I RESPONDED TO YOUR CASES YOU HAVEN'T POSTED ANYTHING IN RESPONSE. AS TOWN YOU WOULD TRY TO SEE MY REASONING AND RESPOND IN KIND. BUT INSTEAD YOU IGNORE ME AND INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIND OUT MY ALIGNMENT YOU SCREAM SCUM.
Also this is blatantly wrong SlOosh was not considered town he was afk most of day 1 and even got warned for not putting a vote in. He was scummy for lurking if anything. VE as town would of been put up in a heartbeat. Also VE doesn't seem to care about this game. He isn't even in here defending himself.
On February 21 2013 16:08 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 16:06 yamato77 wrote:
CC, THINK ABOUT THIS:
If VE is town, why would either of me or you (and Mocsta) be put up as nominations before him?
Palmar and Sloosh, two veteran players, were nominated day 2, yet the third is NOT VE, but one of the newest players, Mocsta. D4, you were put up. D6, me. Is VE really less of a threat as town then either of us? No. He's fucking mafia, and mafia aren't nominating themselves at all. Palmar is a better town player than VE. Sloosh was considered town (I believe). Mocsta was considered town. VE was not (if i remember correctly)
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Jay's mafia game (singular) was from Dessert. While now it seems like it's pretty similar to his town meta, what you miss is the timing and spacing of his posting. He was fairly lurky, blendy, etc. His posting was more trollish and aggressive when compared to town jay, who in British Empire was very straightforward and logical with his reads.
As mafia, jay was tunnely, he picked super day 1 early on and slung shit at him for a while with personal attacks and such, and reacted harshly to accusations against his own person. Jay this game is not doing any of that. His dearth of reads is actually something I shared for a time, because it has been legitimately difficult figuring out who is mafia, but I think I've finally pieced it together and it makes tons of sense.
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Also, of note:
I managed to correctly identify prplhz as town early on in the game by similar heuristics, because the two of them are near-identical players in that they are always lynch candidates as town.
I shouldn't have ignored my own analysis on that front. Sorry prplhz.
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DEBEARS STOP FUCKING IGNORING ME I RESPONDED TO YOUR CASES YOU HAVEN'T POSTED ANYTHING IN RESPONSE. AS TOWN YOU WOULD TRY TO SEE MY REASONING AND RESPOND IN KIND. BUT INSTEAD YOU IGNORE ME AND INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIND OUT MY ALIGNMENT YOU SCREAM SCUM.
He went to sleep.
Yamato, LINK THE POSTS in the games that you think are relevant.
And show how its different
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I managed to correctly identify prplhz as town early on in the game by similar heuristics,
You dont get to claim that your method of reading people is good because YOU mislynched Prp.
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Oh and that reminds me. Debears your little piece about how Snarfs was calling VE scum. Makes it unlikely that both are scum is bullshit.
In Dessert MM me and Xalatos were at each other throats all of day 1 and day 2 even a bit in day 3. You act like scum wont interact with each other. Its called distancing. Because of our early play we made it so that no one ever suspected us as a scum team.
Keep in mind we were hardcore tunneling each other day 1. To give VE a town stamp cause Snarfs called him scum a couple times is bad reasoning.
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Go read the damn games yourself, Oats. I can't possibly hope to encapsulate the broad-strokes analysis of Jay's filters in just a few posts.
Having been in or actively obs'd both those games, I can say with relative certainty that jay is town. If you don't want to read the games and see for yourself, then just trust me on this one, because I know.
All of you may think I'm not a good player but you'll be very glad to know you'll win if you stop thinking I'm so terrible at this game.
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On February 21 2013 16:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +I managed to correctly identify prplhz as town early on in the game by similar heuristics, You dont get to claim that your method of reading people is good because YOU mislynched Prp.
You know my town meta pretty well. Hell you were defending me for a while. Why do you act like your ignorant about it now?
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On February 21 2013 16:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +I managed to correctly identify prplhz as town early on in the game by similar heuristics, You dont get to claim that your method of reading people is good because YOU mislynched Prp.
The mislynch was days later, and it was an oversight mainly.
But it's besides the point, because the point is that both of them are very similar, and that you have to use similar logic to arrive at the conclusion that they are town.
If you're not going to do any meaningful reading or analysis of your own on this matter, Oats, then just sheep me. You'll be glad you did in approximately 42 hours.
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On February 21 2013 16:55 yamato77 wrote:
Go read the damn games yourself, Oats. I can't possibly hope to encapsulate the broad-strokes analysis of Jay's filters in just a few posts.
Having been in or actively obs'd both those games, I can say with relative certainty that jay is town. If you don't want to read the games and see for yourself, then just trust me on this one, because I know.
All of you may think I'm not a good player but you'll be very glad to know you'll win if you stop thinking I'm so terrible at this game.
Yamato your terrible at this game.
lol
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