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I'm not defending Oats. You're not getting my vote for lynching him and that's all, I'm not going to pick your points apart in an attempt to convince you that he's town, I'd much rather convince you to lynch scum.
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On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me.
yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town.
If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves).
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Debears check the voting thread before you waste energy to find things that you misinterpreted anyway.
People this game.
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On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves).
Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard.
They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard
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On January 24 2013 01:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm not defending Oats. You're not getting my vote for lynching him and that's all, I'm not going to pick your points apart in an attempt to convince you that he's town, I'd much rather convince you to lynch scum.
Im not asking you to pick everything apart.
FYI I am 50% through my write-up on Annul.
If you could answer one thing though please. what do you make of the whole oatsmaster quoting he is "shy" and the quote I found regarding his confidence since Chrono.
Do you recognise the same thing I do? Oats is lying about feeling shy, as a cover for his premeditated drop in aggression.
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On January 24 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote:
Debears check the voting thread before you waste energy to find things that you misinterpreted anyway.
People this game.
Your flip on Toad is dumb and scummy as shit, considering he finally agrees with you on gonzaw.
Yet, you still rip him for voting gonzaw.
Oh, and the only reason you find him scum is jk wifom.
You disregard his(toads) whole d1 play in which you preached him as town.
Oh, and you think him and Gonzaw are suddenly scum team. Congratulations
vivax this game.........
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On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:
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Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard
yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it.
I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion.
Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time.
Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny.
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On January 24 2013 01:20 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:04 austinmcc wrote:Disclaimer, this is cobbled together over like 2 hours, so it's a bit disjointed and may not read well. On January 23 2013 10:52 AxleGreaser wrote:
##vote: Double Lynch
Which means for those that claim dont read the OP that we Lynch two tomorrow. D3 Why are you voting for a double lynch? IIRC correctly i was already voting for it so that I was not just piling on the annul so real fast wagon... A while later I said something specific about the annul wagon The double Lynch seemed self evident. I pointed out when it would happen which is the following day. I had considered at some stage if delaying it one day might better as the reads get better out there However consecutive double Lynches D3 andD4 looked fairly reasonable and it easier to slow down by going D3 D5, if you find you need the time than to speed up. It just looked right? You pointed out the speed of the annul wagon and that you were uncomfortable with it.
But I couldn't find your actual thoughts on doubly lynching anywhere earlier on in your filter. You asked about it in relation to the mayor's votes, but I didn't see particularly thoughts on whether we should/shouldn't double lynch.
I'm less concerned with when it would occur if we voted for it, which anyone can find, and more concerned with WHY people voted for it. Do you think a double lynch is ALWAYS good for town? Why so? If not, why is it good for THIS town in this situation?
It's stuff like that.
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On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:
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The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it:
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Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite?
I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny.
It's funny, and statistically quite unlikely that Oatsmaster became my bodyguard. Mafia putting a bodyguard in that I want to lynch doesn't seem too unlikely, though.
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On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:
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The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it:
[quote]
Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite?
I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny.
I think it's actually better that we did. We force mafia to nk either 1 or 2 of us that aren't considered solid town. Cuz no matter what our alignments will be figured out in the next two nights
(unless for some reason you and 5touch are scum bum bum bum o.O)
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2013 01:28 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote:
Debears check the voting thread before you waste energy to find things that you misinterpreted anyway.
People this game. Your flip on Toad is dumb and scummy as shit, considering he finally agrees with you on gonzaw. Yet, you still rip him for voting gonzaw. Oh, and the only reason you find him scum is jk wifom. You disregard his(toads) whole d1 play in which you preached him as town. Oh, and you think him and Gonzaw are suddenly scum team. Congratulations vivax this game.........
1. My flip on Toad is based on much more than jk wifom. You would know it if you read his stance on gonzaw and Oats and the answers he provided when I asked him about various reads like yamato, gonzaw annul etc.
2. You're stupid to think that I can't change opinion on someone cause I had another one D1. It's neither scummy nor is it bad, and all the reasons for doing that are out there. I simply thought Toad was town D1. Now I don't believe it anymore.
3. I found gonzaw scummy very early. That is reflected in my distrust in him as elected role in my earlier posts. I am not ripping people for THAT they vote gonzaw, I rip them for HOW they vote him. And that's the reason why I asked so many questions about him. I'm not trying to dissuade people from doing so.
In Toad's case it looks to me like he doesn't vote for him cause he suddenly reads him as scum.
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On January 24 2013 01:33 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:
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I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read.
I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job.
This is also in answer to Mocsta.
Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. It's funny, and statistically quite unlikely that Oatsmaster became my bodyguard. Mafia putting a bodyguard in that I want to lynch doesn't seem too unlikely, though.
I know, that's why I said it's funny that those 2 became bodyguards. Debears looks good but Oats doesn't look good. At best he's a null, at worst he's a mafia for most people right now I guess. And with the reasoning I provided it does make him look townish.
That's why I wanted to hear your take on what's more likely, mafia trying to trick us or this being some hilarious luck of ours.
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On January 24 2013 01:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:20 AxleGreaser wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 austinmcc wrote:Disclaimer, this is cobbled together over like 2 hours, so it's a bit disjointed and may not read well. On January 23 2013 10:52 AxleGreaser wrote:
##vote: Double Lynch
Which means for those that claim dont read the OP that we Lynch two tomorrow. D3 Why are you voting for a double lynch? IIRC correctly i was already voting for it so that I was not just piling on the annul so real fast wagon... A while later I said something specific about the annul wagon The double Lynch seemed self evident. I pointed out when it would happen which is the following day. I had considered at some stage if delaying it one day might better as the reads get better out there However consecutive double Lynches D3 andD4 looked fairly reasonable and it easier to slow down by going D3 D5, if you find you need the time than to speed up. It just looked right? You pointed out the speed of the annul wagon and that you were uncomfortable with it. But I couldn't find your actual thoughts on doubly lynching anywhere earlier on in your filter. You asked about it in relation to the mayor's votes, but I didn't see particularly thoughts on whether we should/shouldn't double lynch. I'm less concerned with when it would occur if we voted for it, which anyone can find, and more concerned with WHY people voted for it. Do you think a double lynch is ALWAYS good for town? Why so? If not, why is it good for THIS town in this situation? It's stuff like that.
Austin, we have lurkers in clarity, BK, and fuba.
We have a scummy annul. We have a scummy Gonzaw
We had questionable nks.
What reason isn't there for double lynch?
1) We have to find a way to rid of these damn lurkers
2) I am 95% sure 5touch is town. Toad is looking town to me at this point also (his alignment will be figured out anyways eventually). Use them while we got them.
3) I will very very likely die tonight. I want to help what little I can before then
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On January 24 2013 01:36 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:33 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:
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Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it.
want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. It's funny, and statistically quite unlikely that Oatsmaster became my bodyguard. Mafia putting a bodyguard in that I want to lynch doesn't seem too unlikely, though. I know, that's why I said it's funny that those 2 became bodyguards. Debears looks good but Oats doesn't look good. At best he's a null, at worst he's a mafia for most people right now I guess. And with the reasoning I provided it does make him look townish.That's why I wanted to hear your take on what's more likely, mafia trying to trick us or this being some hilarious luck of ours.
Good motive for mafia to do that then, hmm? 
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oh and add stutters to the lurker list
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On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:
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The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it:
[quote]
Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite?
I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. Unless I missed some crumbs or something, I don't see the reason for djo and JX to be the NKs. So I don't know how much we can speculate about the decision making of the mafia faction.
I think there's SOME value in doing a 1:1 split. All the assumptions during the night were that either mafia would go all in on you guys, with 2 mafia BGs, or would let it go and have two townies. The fact that nobody was really talking about 1:1 means that maybe it's just some plan to force people to think that both are the same alignment, and either keep someone alive for a day or two that might have been in trouble otherwise (oats) or perhaps keep someone alive that has an important role for them (jack? gf? this reasoning seems less likely but I guess it's a possibility, and I don't see either of those two being made gf unless they were incredibly worried about a check on oats as the day went on).
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On January 24 2013 01:35 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2013 01:28 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote:
Debears check the voting thread before you waste energy to find things that you misinterpreted anyway.
People this game. Your flip on Toad is dumb and scummy as shit, considering he finally agrees with you on gonzaw. Yet, you still rip him for voting gonzaw. Oh, and the only reason you find him scum is jk wifom. You disregard his(toads) whole d1 play in which you preached him as town. Oh, and you think him and Gonzaw are suddenly scum team. Congratulations vivax this game......... 1. My flip on Toad is based on much more than jk wifom. You would know it if you read his stance on gonzaw and Oats and the answers he provided when I asked him about various reads like yamato, gonzaw annul etc. 2. You're stupid to think that I can't change opinion on someone cause I had another one D1. It's neither scummy nor is it bad, and all the reasons for doing that are out there. I simply thought Toad was town D1. Now I don't believe it anymore. 3. I found gonzaw scummy very early. That is reflected in my distrust in him as elected role in my earlier posts. I am not ripping people for THAT they vote gonzaw, I rip them for HOW they vote him. And that's the reason why I asked so many questions about him. I'm not trying to dissuade people from doing so. In Toad's case it looks to me like he doesn't vote for him cause he suddenly reads him as scum.
So when Djo and JX died over Gonzaw and Austin you didn't suddenly go "wow"?
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On January 24 2013 01:37 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:36 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:33 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:
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want to talk about debears / oats?
I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads.
How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. It's funny, and statistically quite unlikely that Oatsmaster became my bodyguard. Mafia putting a bodyguard in that I want to lynch doesn't seem too unlikely, though. I know, that's why I said it's funny that those 2 became bodyguards. Debears looks good but Oats doesn't look good. At best he's a null, at worst he's a mafia for most people right now I guess. And with the reasoning I provided it does make him look townish.That's why I wanted to hear your take on what's more likely, mafia trying to trick us or this being some hilarious luck of ours. Good motive for mafia to do that then, hmm?
5Touch I am becoming gradually more suspicious of Oats for one very specific reason. I will let you know after the 24 hour mark in day2 what exactly I am noticing about him
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On January 24 2013 01:37 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:32 austinmcc wrote:On January 24 2013 01:20 AxleGreaser wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 austinmcc wrote:Disclaimer, this is cobbled together over like 2 hours, so it's a bit disjointed and may not read well. On January 23 2013 10:52 AxleGreaser wrote:
##vote: Double Lynch
Which means for those that claim dont read the OP that we Lynch two tomorrow. D3 Why are you voting for a double lynch? IIRC correctly i was already voting for it so that I was not just piling on the annul so real fast wagon... A while later I said something specific about the annul wagon The double Lynch seemed self evident. I pointed out when it would happen which is the following day. I had considered at some stage if delaying it one day might better as the reads get better out there However consecutive double Lynches D3 andD4 looked fairly reasonable and it easier to slow down by going D3 D5, if you find you need the time than to speed up. It just looked right? You pointed out the speed of the annul wagon and that you were uncomfortable with it. But I couldn't find your actual thoughts on doubly lynching anywhere earlier on in your filter. You asked about it in relation to the mayor's votes, but I didn't see particularly thoughts on whether we should/shouldn't double lynch. I'm less concerned with when it would occur if we voted for it, which anyone can find, and more concerned with WHY people voted for it. Do you think a double lynch is ALWAYS good for town? Why so? If not, why is it good for THIS town in this situation? It's stuff like that. Austin, we have lurkers in clarity, BK, and fuba. We have a scummy annul. We have a scummy Gonzaw We had questionable nks. What reason isn't there for double lynch? 1) We have to find a way to rid of these damn lurkers 2) I am 95% sure 5touch is town. Toad is looking town to me at this point also (his alignment will be figured out anyways eventually). Use them while we got them. 3) I will very very likely die tonight. I want to help what little I can before then
Gonzaw was townie to me earlier, but do need to reread in light of all this suspicion, and also I'm still working off the assumption that either they ran a serious candidate or I had mafia voters on me (IF stutters is town, which I'm still skeptical about).
I'm not sure how "questionable nks" factor into whether we double lynch or not. Does that actually tie in to a double lynch for you?
What reason is there to not double lynch? Uncertainty that we have two great targets, a discussion about whether we can more easily out hiding mafioso by single lynching or double (I've never actually had a double lynch game, and I wonder whether a double lynch brings scum out of the woodwork more or allows them to hide/comment on secondary targets/Ihavenoideawhatbutit'ssomethingtothinkabout).
Perhaps there's no good reason not to, but look at it this way - do you find it completely fine that 4 people within 15 minutes voted double lynch without ever mentioning it before that point? Do you think it is likely that one of those is mafia jumping on the double lynch train to blend in? Whether or not a double lynch is a good idea, i find it REALLY odd that votes came in like that, all ninja, and it's more than worth asking questions about.
Also, as to us having a "scummy annul," you had made NO mention of him at all before you voted for him. The rest of us can't know whether you found him scummy for your own reasons, for reasons someone else brought up, whether you're just jumping on a wagon...nothing. You call him scummy, but at the time you voted him you had never mentioned the guy.
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Morning/afternoon all~
First of all: ##Vote: Double Lynch I hadn't actually considered not using the double lynch until austin commented on it, but I think it's a good idea. Lynches are our only guaranteed means of catching scum (guaranteed meaning we always have one, not with 100% accuracy). If we can double up on them, I say we do it. He also raises a good point, that there's always the possibility that the mayor will be killed and we'll lose our extra votes. I like our mayor's votes.
Second: @annul: FiveTouch has said he's not Palmar multiple times. You've admitted he has a different posting style.
On January 23 2013 20:57 annul wrote:
what the fuck is "IC"
And this took me a while to remember, but "IC" is innocent child, I think.
Do you have a reason for voting Dearestsnot other than omgus or his personal attacks? I know you said you'd "eventually" explain it. So... please? :D
Third: Regarding Annul, I don't feel he's behaving as scummy as others believe. I wouldn't really call his most recent play "pro-town", but based on the only game I've played with him (Liquid City Mafia), he reacts severely (some would say childishly) to personal attacks. I'm not normally one to delve too deeply into past games (primarily because it takes me so damn long to read, haha), but I did it in this case because I felt something was off about my own impression of him. Turns out I was thinking of him as Acrofales from Acme Mini Mafia, which naturally skewed my view a bit. In any case, based on what I believe I understand of him from LCM, his current actions are understandable from a town annul's POV.
Additionally, I kind of agree with what sandroba said about him earlier. There are a few posts he made that make me feel he's town. Long story short, see more evidence at the moment of angry, unappreciated town annul than scum annul.
Of course, now that I've decided I don't like an annul lynch I should put another one up in its place. I'll get to thinking about that, haha.
Anyone who played in/obsed LCM, was annul's play unusual for him that game? Or anyone who feels like taking a look at his filter from that game, can you point out distinct differences between his play both games?
@yamato:
Why the unexplained unvote? You were dead set on an annul lynch.
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