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For the convenience of the thread, I have been through Oatsmaster's filter again. I present literally all the posts he has in his filter where he thinks someone is mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be.
He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter.
Stutter's posted 4 posts and just disappeared, I feel that as a town player, his start wouldve been continued through the thread but it was not to be which makes me think that he is putting up a front of activity at the start to allay all suspicions then lurking his way through the rest of the game.
Vote: Austinmcc On January 22 2013 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Ok well Im thinking that at least one of the 4 mayor candidates yesterday is scum. And I think that the scum is Gonzaw. + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 15:36 gonzaw wrote:
I sincerely can't understand what Axle is posting :/
I could figure out he questioning Vivax on his campaign initially, and wanted to vote Chezinu, but I have no idea what "I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons" means
I also kind of skimmed/ignored parts of his last post since I didn't understand a thing.
Seemed pretty funny in pre-game...not so much now. Then never mentions Axle again. On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote:
I'm not enjoying this "aggressiveness" you are showing Vivax, seems too needlessly provocative.
Although you running for mayor in the first place (while being considered "not-vet" by most of us) doesn't really seem like something you'd do as scum, and maybe this "aggressiveness" stuff just means you are getting over-excited or something.
Meh, certainly not enough to make any call other than leaning slightly town on you (gut feeling) so I'll let that pass.
This reads as, Scummy, not scummy, meh I dont know. And then again, never questions Vivax at all. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 05:48 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 18:32 sandroba wrote:
What questions are those? About not wanting to run? I don't have a satisfatory answer, I simply decided this pre game and has nothing to do with alignment. Well.........*sigh* I kind of feel this is "obvious scum sandroba", but obviously until he actually has the time to do something useful to town we can't do much about it :/ What kind of makes me "mad" about the "obvious scum vets" in games, is how people always let them be. Like, this happened with scum Foolishness in like 2 consecutive games where he lived until D5 or something. Either people ignore them, or say "meh, he could be town and thus could be an asset". These kind of people are so "obvious" scum (in a matter of speaking of course) when they roll scum and nobody does anything about it :/ I'd said sandro is one of those (maybe Palmar as well, although slightly less), based on the games I've obsed with him being scum (and Liar Game of course, where he lived...wait for it...until D5). I get the "if he's actually town he can be an asset" idea many people have.....but if he's just screaming scum at your face you can't try bullshitting your way out of that. Mentions Sandro and that he might be scum and AGAIN doesnt pressure him or nothing, not like you would do with your scum reads. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 05:51 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, it seems funny to me that SO many people "voted" in this thread, yet there are like only 3 votes in the voting thread :/
This applies to Clarity, JieXian and others who put "##Vote: xxx" in here.
Is it that hard to find the Voting thread in the main page? Random post that doesnt help anyone and is fluff but he phrases it like it is alignment indicative whether people vote in the Voting thread. Throwing suspicion subtly. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 13:52 gonzaw wrote:
Djoref, what do you think of Stutters? I didn't really notice you mentioning him that much.
Also, do you think Clarity has more chances of flipping scum than Oats or Stutters or maybe even sandro, etc? On January 21 2013 14:03 gonzaw wrote:
EBWOP:
Oh well nevermind.
Speaking of which Mocsta, what do you think of Stutters and Clarity? I don't remember you mentioning them in your filter. Testing the waters on whether he should push a stutters or clarity lynch. + Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 10:12 gonzaw wrote:
Oh shit lol
I stand corrected. Doesnt post about what the prp flip means to the reads that he has on the mayor and the people who pushed his lynch. Also, seems weird for a townie post. Therefore, out of the runners, I think that GONZAW is scum. On January 22 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stutters was scum because:
My d1 reads are almost always wrong, so I'm not nearly as active.
This post seems scummy to me because its not a reason not to be active. Day 1 reactions are good because its a time where you can see who is proactive and who isnt.
Toads style feels much more like my own and I think that will help us analyze why he would do whatever he does after becoming mayor.
I also see this as subtly buddying Toad, same style = same alignment? Especially since its wrong in the sense that Toad outrightly spammed day 1 and stutters stood back and answered questions and defended himself.
His whole filter just generally seems like he is on the back foot, reacting to stuff, rather than creating content and trying to find scum.
On January 24 2013 21:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
5touch,
stutters has only been here in bursts, I cant pressure him or anything.
I did mention stutters earlier day 2/
I think Gonzaw is scum? What do you expect me to do?
For those who are mathematically challenged, that's 4 posts. Further, he never follows up on his Stutters read, despite the fact Stutters has been in the thread. In fact, he only mentions him again when prodded to by others.
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Writing this post for later:
I've lazily copypasted all things FT has said about gonzaw until the point where I found gonzaws scumslip, so I'm not posting the time there cause it's faster this way, they're in chronological order however:
With gonzaw my read has been fluctuating.
Apart from the read on him, gonzaw as mafia would fill the missing hole of a serious mafia mayoral candidate on Day 1. His prplhz attitude has been nagging at me in particular.
gonzaw/Oatsmaster is where I'm struggling right now. I had been giving gonzaw vague townie points for a couple of reasons: he spread his suspicion around quite a bit, which he tends to more as town, and he's far more tunnelly as mafia. For a prime example of this - Liar Game - where he tunnelled Cephiro over multiple cycles to the detriment of anything else. This is mitigated, as bugs notes, by the fact that he hasn't really pushed *hard* at anyone. The second reason, and the one you can see why I'm struggling, is his suspicions of Oatsmaster, which I share.
Anyway, gonzaw. His prplhz stuff looks bad, although to be fair he's not the only one. The problem with gonzaw is that he should really know better.
I didn't like the bolded at all, casually suggesting he wouldn't have ran for mayor as mafia. I absolutely believe gonzaw would run for mayor as mafia, so this looks quite bad to me.
gonzaw, you haven't been as much a central figure as I expected you to be this game. Is there a reason for this?
This is quite simply the worst advice I have ever heard. (regarding me asking for gonzaw lynch)
On January 24 2013 20:54 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 20:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said I played badly at the start, but got better as the game went on.
Seriously, Get comfirmation bias out of your head. You've done nothing all game except kinda push gonzaw.You even forgot that you wanted to lynch Stutters, and you never mentioned him again after voting austin because he wanted to kill Stutters, even though Stutters for a long time did the lurking you were calling him scum for.
Notice how gonzaw is town in his eyes for sharing the suspicion of Oats, but Oats pushing gonzaw remains scum although FT is supposedly not sure between the two?
Just wanted to point out the double standard in his arguments. Might be useful for later and clearly shows FTs preference.
His questions to gonzaw have no follow-up. He's just asking them to act.
I feel really bad that we have a mafia mayor, but FTs play so far has been quite superb for mafia. He's tooling most town.
Anyway, just wanted to get rid of this post.
Bugs already said why it's better play to delay the Oats lynch anyway.
I'd like Mocsta lynch.
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On January 25 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote: (regarding me asking for gonzaw lynch)
Hello Mr. Misrepresentation. That quote was regarding your advice to read through someone's filter certain they were mafia, and then decide whether they were mafia or not. And it was indeed the worst advice I have ever heard.
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LOL
so you build up quotes for FT
to then conclude with
"I'd like Mocsta lynch"
Vivax. grow a pair of balls and build a case against me if you want to campaign for my lynch.
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Writing this post to not be forgotten (by Vivax):
On January 24 2013 20:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said I played badly at the start, but got better as the game went on.
Seriously, Get comfirmation bias out of your head.
Oatsmaster, - Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression
- You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
- You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
- You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
- Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
- You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression
You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
+ Show Spoiler +Im going to post 3 consecutive posts from your filter (this is nothing new) (1) On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Your some random smurf, regardless, what sandro said was that he would be gone for 15 hours. So you need to fucking read the thread.
In response to Gonzaw querying you over this post
Second Bolded, I was reacting to 5touch who was pissing me off. So you feel comfortable lunging into a low post smurf with zero town cred. When Gonzaw calls you out for the over the top aggression; you brush it off saying he pissed me off.. This is the oatsmaster Im used to. (2) On January 21 2013 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who is currently running for mayor other than the retards who want to lynch me?
This is a direct reference again to FiveTouchAgain more flames of a zero town cred smurf. (3) On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Ok on to FiveTouch,
He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads.
Firstly, you back down on Gonzaw who has been questioning you about your behavior. Then you do a full 180’ on FT based on what? There is no progression of read, it’s a direct jump from quote (2) Retard to quote (3) leaking town. Now for the analysis.. lets say Oats is not dumb and recognize FT held influence. Because FT wanted to lynch Oats, you say. OK oats is going to get the kneepads out and massage FT gently… BUT.. is this really the style of an ultra-aggressive (town) player? The answer is no… I had a similar situation with Oats last game. Lets look at his response when Im becoming influential. (My comments are bolded) – from Newbie XXXV (finished 23/01/13) On January 13 2013 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let it be known, I will not be intimidated by you. I stand for an open environment, not the dictatorship that you seek.
Looks like you are trying to create a dictatorship to me.
Also, how did you brainwash all these people? HOW?
feel Oatsmaster will just try to derail it
So you dont have confirmation bias, right.
Also, with your current level of activity, and the way you defended yourself.
##Unvote
HOWEVER
I really dont like the way you are going around buddying everybody and keep referring to yourself as an excellent town player.
yet at least 1 individual is yet to post with 24hrs expired.
Are you not concerned with this behaviour?
What do you want me/everyone to do? Knock on his door and wake him up?
I agree that the lurkers are lurking away, what do you propose the town, led by you, do?
The situations are not identical, but I was voting Oats just like FT was. And Oats recognize the town was siding with me, so he caves in.. but look at the difference in how it is achieve. With FT he fully capitulates. With me, he is saying, you won this battle, but Im still watching you. Which is EXACTLY what a town ultra-aggressive person is going to do. Oats is not doing this in this game.
You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
+ Show Spoiler +Believe is every post in your filter regarding Stutters… On January 21 2013 17:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
On January 22 2013 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:02 FiveTouch wrote:
Honestly, prplhz's mafia flip just makes Oats look even worse than before. I could well have been choosing between two mafia in my deliberations.
Oats dismissed the prplhz case for no particular reason, while supporting the Stutters case, despite his general tone of not lynching for lurkers.
It's very hard to see a town Oats right now, with his attitude towards me/austin/stutters/prplhz. I dismissed the case cause I didnt think that the changes in meta were particularly scummy. Although his random WIFOM vote for you without any explaination probably put the nail in his coffin. I didnt want a mayor lynching a lurker like BroodkingEXE and Clarity. See the difference between them and Stutters? reason. On January 22 2013 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Regarding Gonzaw
Testing the waters on whether he should push a stutters or clarity lynch.
On January 22 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stutters was scum because:
My d1 reads are almost always wrong, so I'm not nearly as active.
This post seems scummy to me because its not a reason not to be active. Day 1 reactions are good because its a time where you can see who is proactive and who isnt.
On January 24 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw, is that not clear?
Stutters also, but what little activity he is doing is kinda changing my mind, if its not consistant soon though, he is scum
I don’t see the difference between BKE/Clarity and Stutters. And you never provide detail on what the specifics are either. If Stutters is your 2nd scum read: Where is your pressure to Stutters? There is no aggression here? You say his little activity is changing your mind, how? Its never explained. This is I don’t give a fuck attitude, never seen before in town oats. And, if hes your scum read.. why..do you accuse Gonzaw for being scum because he “tested the waters” with Stutters? Shouldn’t you be supporting Gonzaw with this? Overall, You have not addressed a single question to Stutters. I call bullshit on you.
You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
+ Show Spoiler +You were the first to call out Gonzaw, but its hardly a scum read. You are just stating concern. On January 20 2013 19:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
So far, Gonzaw has a lot of activity but ima wait and see if its town motivated or scum motivated.
After this, when you start calling Gonzaw scum, it is ALWAYS after gonzaw says something to you. You are the one being OMGUS. E.G. Gonzaw then calls out your aggression on FiveTouch:On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote:
Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.
That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something.
I can't really see town motivation behind that.
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
...how is that aggressive? Looks like you are nitpicking on my opening post. Gonzaw calls out Oats first & on top of that speaks about oats 2nd scum read Stutters… yet Oats later says Gonzaw is OMGUS him? Wat the. Oats then says On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Then after Gonzaw pressures him more, we get this: On January 21 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
You needed some time to think about that answer eh?
Get out. I dont have to answer to you what im doing at all times.
I think that using meta clinches a case but using meta solely isnt a good reason cause players change the way they play.
Stop nitpicking.
Gonzaw is a light shade of red, I think that scum need to have someone to control the mayoral elections or at least participate and I dont think that 5 touch is scum so by virtue of association and optimal play, I think gonzaw would flip red.
Complete OMGUS from here it just sinks worse and worse. Oats follows up with another OMGUS case later on. Yet he doesn’t recognize it? On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
+ Show Spoiler +e.G. You call out your favourite scum read On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
And then 1 minute later.. you post this. On January 24 2013 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Debears, willing to share your 'nail in the coffin' now?
Complete change in thought process. You have already moved on.. that’s not the motives in a person head when seriously scum hunting, they focused. Your dabbling in and out of conversation like you don’t care. Another example On January 23 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw,
Overall, it seems like Gonzaw thinks that im bad, OMGUS, and just discredits my case that way.
A few minutes later On January 23 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Double Lynch And a few more minutes later On January 23 2013 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 11:00 debears wrote:
1) Mafia has a few vets and they want us to have to decide between actual town vets and the scum vets
2) Mafia has multiple lurkers and want us to wifom into lynching our vets
What do you say? Isnt this all the possible scenarios? How does this helps us to find scum? He is completely removed from this scum read.. wat the?
You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I played really really bad in the town game that you quoted 5touch, as you said i wouldve gotten lynched until my claim.
Trying to play better, IE not be so fucking stupid about people. Follows up with why he is playing bad when FT puts pressure On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:More players/better players. I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy.  Shy.. that’s the equivalent of saying im a newbie (Classic scum tactic)… I then post this On January 14 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Which game?
My first newbie game was fucking horrible and I was town,
My chrono game was different because there were 20-30 people, I was one of the few newbies, It was my first actual game. So yeah, since then, I have become more confident to pressure people.
This completely catches him out on the lie of being shy… he then retorts with On January 24 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta,
I have become more confident to pressure people.
Uhuh, so other than the start of the game, which was poor play which I already addressed,
Wouldnt you say im more confident than in my Chrono game? What the hell, a complete 180 and blatant lie. With more FT pressure he adds On January 24 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cant a guy try to make a joke and be cute about it? Apparently not.
Anyway, gonna sleep now.
and then follows up the next day with: On January 24 2013 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
The reason why I put the 'shy' bullshit, was that I completely forgot why I defended JX.
Conclusion
Blatant lies and making excuses for poor play. Classic scum tactics. Then flips in behavior is a guy going into damage control.. This coupled with his contributions to thread status quo (straight after pressuring a scum read) indicate he just doesn’t care.. odd, because of the ultra aggression he shows (to the people with low influence).. Definitely scum.
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Another reminder
Yamato set himself up to bus gonzaw in this last post, don't get fooled by it. They fear that gonzaws alignment will be revealed at some point.
On January 24 2013 16:16 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 19:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok, so my plan for voting for the mayor is to vote for a mayor,
1) I think that is town
2) I think that is able to smack down(figure out) the scum.
So basically, standerd stuff.
So far, Gonzaw has a lot of activity but ima wait and see if its town motivated or scum motivated.
I dont like Vivax entrance and subsequent disappearance but I mean its a null tell. He has got to know he would be called out like that.
Axle, Please try to make your posts coherent to the people here, if we dont understand you, you will get ignored/lynched/vigged/unlikely nk
This post of Oats, along with other things like his willingness to give out reads, his overall activity level, and his fairly unnecessary (if mafia) case on Gonzaw, makes me believe that he is town. The fact that he's continued to pursue his read on Gonzaw today is quite telling to me. When he posted the case at night, I believed he would have done so with the idea that it was cheap town cred to do something like this at night when there was no lynch on the line. However, today I see that he's fairly invested in the idea that Gonzaw is mafia, something that I feel a lot of people are at the moment. Basically, if you think Gonzaw is mafia, Oats is far likelier to be town. Plus, I agree with WBG's logic regarding the BGs, and not lynching them at the moment. Unless you are absolutely certain Oats is mafia, I do not feel like it is worth it to lynch him today. That's my thought on that situation. I think he might be town, and I'm not sold on lynching him yet even if others believe otherwise because he, if town, is valuable protection for our elected roles. On to my updated mafia reads: If I take seriously the idea that Oats is town, I have to consider the possibility that Debears is not. Debears' only contribution is a case on Oats, which is quite weak. Mafia debears would want Oats lynched, because that would mean that mafia gets to shoot into both Toad and FT tonight, or at any point in the future. While this would instantly out his as confirmed mafia, I'm not sure how confident I am with the idea that mafia wouldn't trade one of their own for our two elected roles, especially the mayor. Plus, people would be content to sit on the idea of town debears until the mayor/sheriff gets shot, which is quite useful. It's basically lynch immunity. Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:58 debears wrote:On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum I don't get this. Why? ___ I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that. Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots. Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads. Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred This post, and many like it, show that debears is fairly preoccupied with the idea of Bodyguards and their potential protection powers. When I was mafia, and I was attempting to bluesnipe, one of the quickest tells you can pick up on is who seems preoccupied with blues in general, or a specific role such as doctor. Debears may have already has the idea in his head on Day 1 to make this sort of play as mafia, to sub himself in as a BG and use this "unlynchable" status to his advantage. Aside from this, debears has been fairly inactive, and hasn't pursued his scum reads very strongly. He posted a case on Gonzaw (that had him as slight scum, rofl), and then backed off of it later. He has a "case" on Oats, but he earlier posted this: Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 10:42 debears wrote:
Btw, I say we take the focus of oats and me for today. I'll get nked tomorrow. If Oats is town he will too.
##vote annul
##vote double lynch So we know he doesn't want to lynch Oats. Who does he want to lynch? Annul. Why? Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 12:00 debears wrote:
Annul, reads plz. If you aren't going to defend yourself, give reads and reasoning and help us obi-wan. That's plenty enough contribution Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:37 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:32 austinmcc wrote:On January 24 2013 01:20 AxleGreaser wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 austinmcc wrote:Disclaimer, this is cobbled together over like 2 hours, so it's a bit disjointed and may not read well. On January 23 2013 10:52 AxleGreaser wrote:
##vote: Double Lynch
Which means for those that claim dont read the OP that we Lynch two tomorrow. D3 Why are you voting for a double lynch? IIRC correctly i was already voting for it so that I was not just piling on the annul so real fast wagon... A while later I said something specific about the annul wagon The double Lynch seemed self evident. I pointed out when it would happen which is the following day. I had considered at some stage if delaying it one day might better as the reads get better out there However consecutive double Lynches D3 andD4 looked fairly reasonable and it easier to slow down by going D3 D5, if you find you need the time than to speed up. It just looked right? You pointed out the speed of the annul wagon and that you were uncomfortable with it. But I couldn't find your actual thoughts on doubly lynching anywhere earlier on in your filter. You asked about it in relation to the mayor's votes, but I didn't see particularly thoughts on whether we should/shouldn't double lynch. I'm less concerned with when it would occur if we voted for it, which anyone can find, and more concerned with WHY people voted for it. Do you think a double lynch is ALWAYS good for town? Why so? If not, why is it good for THIS town in this situation? It's stuff like that. Austin, we have lurkers in clarity, BK, and fuba. We have a scummy annul. We have a scummy Gonzaw We had questionable nks. What reason isn't there for double lynch? 1) We have to find a way to rid of these damn lurkers 2) I am 95% sure 5touch is town. Toad is looking town to me at this point also (his alignment will be figured out anyways eventually). Use them while we got them. 3) I will very very likely die tonight. I want to help what little I can before then Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 15:31 debears wrote:
I am not comfortable with lynching Gonzaw currently over annul and BKE
Upon closer inspection of his town games listed, and a couple of his scum games, I found that his posting style of convincing someone of their scumminess is a trait of his town games.
I only looked a little in the scum ones and I didn't see it
I didn't see anything in terms of him defending himself against a scumread's accusations in either
That would leave me wanting to lynch Gonzaw based on
1) His running for mayor (scum having to have someone run)
2) Him trying to convince 5touch to lynch oats over prplhz
I'm still waiting on an answer over whether the mayor/sheriff can be killed in the same night as a bodyguard.
If so, then I agree with not lynching Oats.
If the mayor/sheriff can't be killed on the same night, we should take that into consideration of lynching oats He gives zero reason. He just calls him "scummy". I don't like this sort of thing at all. The speed at which he voted for annul also to me indicates that this is a mafia vote, because he did it early in the day and with zero prior mention of annul. These four posts are the only ones he even mentions annul in at all, and they've all been in day 2. Very weird to me. In that last post he also says he'd be willing to lynch BKE, but he's never mentioned him before either, and indeed doesn't even bother to provide a reason. So what about prphlz? He supported that lynch day 1, right? Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 00:22 debears wrote:
5touch I agree with a prplhz lynch.
He hasn't scumhunted. He has dedicated himself to defending himself with previous games and making no contributions to the town That's his only mention about his own read on prplhz. All of this I believe is indicative of a blendy mafia mindset, something I find pervasive throughout his filter. Not many of his reads seem original to him at all. His low activity suggests not wanting to be in the spotlight. I don't believe he's actively playing the game in a way I think town debears would, because town debears is characteristically more convinced of his own reads, a la Hero Mini where he was hyper aggressive day 1 in pursuing his target. Now, for the same reason WBG gave for not lynching Oats, I don't think we should lynch Debears either. But if I had to pick a mafia out of the two BG's, I would actually pick debears. Oats is greener to me. So, who else do I think is mafia, and which of them do I want to lynch today? Vivax could still be mafia. While a lot of the vets have previously had him as town, even they are less certain of this idea than they were before. However, if he is mafia I don't think he's going to get any better and we will have more information to lynch him with at a later date. Unless he continues to be completely anti-town for the rest of today, I don't think he's a particularly good lynch, and I don't think many other people do either. Annul might be mafia, as he's played similar to Vivax today, but I actually feel less confident about lynching him because of how easy it is for everyone to call him town. There's literally been zero resistance to lynching him today aside from other people giving out their own mafia reads and trying to get them lynched. I don't think a single person has called him even somewhat town, though I may be wrong because I've only skimmed the last ten pages. I don't like lynching him today. Gonzaw is an interesting idea. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:51 gonzaw wrote:
Yamato, the chances of Vivax being scum are kind of low I think. He's had a LOT of posts, even more than when he was town in games like Can't Believe and the like. Also seems too confident to be scum.
At worst let him be for a few days, if he's scum he'll surely "break" and go lurking or something.
Don't really know what to think of debears/grush; they are not making much sense and are kind of "trolling" with their votes and some of their reads, but that's too null to blindly lynch on D1. He has a few of these types of posts in his filter, where he softdefends a player (often Vivax actually) and generally gives weak reads. I don't feel like he's taken many strong stances with his reads this game. Even his opposition of the prplhz lynch was fairly weak. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 05:53 gonzaw wrote:
Well...it seems i have the habit of posting here when nobody else is around to respond back (or post about other things) so I like quadriple post lol
.....maybe I'm doing that intentionally as scum! :O :O >_> Also, he has a few of these posts in his filter, where he seems particularly preoccupied with his own image, and how town perceives the things he's doing. As I just finished typing in my analysis of another mafia player in NMM XXXIII. preoccupation with town's perception is a mafia tell, as they are more likely to care about how they are perceived than town. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 06:00 gonzaw wrote:It's hard to "consolidate posts". People make it seem like it's so easy. When I play the game I don't "think consolidately". I find a bunch of stuff and have a bunch of thoughts, which can't really be "consolidated" into a nice single perfect post. I'm going to my aunts house in like 1 hour anyway so I'll let you guys breathe for a moment  He even goes so far as to defend his spammy nature, something that I, as town, feel completely unmotivated to justify. While this is indicative of how I feel on the matter, that I just post what I think at the time I think it, I do not feel the need to justify this mindset. However, Gonzaw obviously does, which again leads me to believe that he is concerned with his image. This idea is also reinforced with the concept that running for mayor and being active on D1 are two easy ways to get people to have cheap town reads on you. While this is not a strong mafia tell, it is what I have managed to find in his filter after a short bit of diving. I am fairly confident in the possibility of him being mafia for these reasons, along with those that the rest of town has posted. I will resume my filter dive of him tomorrow, and either confirm my own bias or perhaps see something that might change my mind.
If you're even remotely good at this game you should notice that yamato is scum by reading his play and his meta.
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Basically, if you think Gonzaw is mafia, Oats is far likelier to be town.
This is a retarded, no, a scummy statement to make for someone who has no knowledge of alignments.
Especially considering that he goes on to write about debears, who expressed his suspicion of gonzaw quite early in the day.
Why doesn't yamato go on to extend this argument to anyone who is suspecting gonzaw and instead just mentions it for the guy who is going the get lynched?
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Lol and all this time
I thought you were going to reason, its retarded because he said Oats is likely to be town 
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Hey FT, I give you 1 hour to reveal your masons, then I'll let doom rain upon you.
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Night guys. Will be back around 1-2hr before lynch.
Vivax this is for you regarding your concerns.
+ Show Spoiler [Present for Vivax] +On January 25 2013 00:13 Mocsta wrote:Writing this post to not be forgotten (by Vivax):Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 20:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said I played badly at the start, but got better as the game went on.
Seriously, Get comfirmation bias out of your head. Oatsmaster, - Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression
- You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
- You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
- You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
- Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
- You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
+ Show Spoiler +Im going to post 3 consecutive posts from your filter (this is nothing new) (1) On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Your some random smurf, regardless, what sandro said was that he would be gone for 15 hours. So you need to fucking read the thread.
In response to Gonzaw querying you over this post
Second Bolded, I was reacting to 5touch who was pissing me off. So you feel comfortable lunging into a low post smurf with zero town cred. When Gonzaw calls you out for the over the top aggression; you brush it off saying he pissed me off.. This is the oatsmaster Im used to. (2) On January 21 2013 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who is currently running for mayor other than the retards who want to lynch me?
This is a direct reference again to FiveTouchAgain more flames of a zero town cred smurf. (3) On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Ok on to FiveTouch,
He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads.
Firstly, you back down on Gonzaw who has been questioning you about your behavior. Then you do a full 180’ on FT based on what? There is no progression of read, it’s a direct jump from quote (2) Retard to quote (3) leaking town. Now for the analysis.. lets say Oats is not dumb and recognize FT held influence. Because FT wanted to lynch Oats, you say. OK oats is going to get the kneepads out and massage FT gently… BUT.. is this really the style of an ultra-aggressive (town) player? The answer is no… I had a similar situation with Oats last game. Lets look at his response when Im becoming influential. (My comments are bolded) – from Newbie XXXV (finished 23/01/13) On January 13 2013 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let it be known, I will not be intimidated by you. I stand for an open environment, not the dictatorship that you seek.
Looks like you are trying to create a dictatorship to me.
Also, how did you brainwash all these people? HOW?
feel Oatsmaster will just try to derail it
So you dont have confirmation bias, right.
Also, with your current level of activity, and the way you defended yourself.
##Unvote
HOWEVER
I really dont like the way you are going around buddying everybody and keep referring to yourself as an excellent town player.
yet at least 1 individual is yet to post with 24hrs expired.
Are you not concerned with this behaviour?
What do you want me/everyone to do? Knock on his door and wake him up?
I agree that the lurkers are lurking away, what do you propose the town, led by you, do?
The situations are not identical, but I was voting Oats just like FT was. And Oats recognize the town was siding with me, so he caves in.. but look at the difference in how it is achieve. With FT he fully capitulates. With me, he is saying, you won this battle, but Im still watching you. Which is EXACTLY what a town ultra-aggressive person is going to do. Oats is not doing this in this game.
You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
+ Show Spoiler +Believe is every post in your filter regarding Stutters… On January 21 2013 17:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
On January 22 2013 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:02 FiveTouch wrote:
Honestly, prplhz's mafia flip just makes Oats look even worse than before. I could well have been choosing between two mafia in my deliberations.
Oats dismissed the prplhz case for no particular reason, while supporting the Stutters case, despite his general tone of not lynching for lurkers.
It's very hard to see a town Oats right now, with his attitude towards me/austin/stutters/prplhz. I dismissed the case cause I didnt think that the changes in meta were particularly scummy. Although his random WIFOM vote for you without any explaination probably put the nail in his coffin. I didnt want a mayor lynching a lurker like BroodkingEXE and Clarity. See the difference between them and Stutters? reason. On January 22 2013 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Regarding Gonzaw
Testing the waters on whether he should push a stutters or clarity lynch.
On January 22 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stutters was scum because:
My d1 reads are almost always wrong, so I'm not nearly as active.
This post seems scummy to me because its not a reason not to be active. Day 1 reactions are good because its a time where you can see who is proactive and who isnt.
On January 24 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw, is that not clear?
Stutters also, but what little activity he is doing is kinda changing my mind, if its not consistant soon though, he is scum
I don’t see the difference between BKE/Clarity and Stutters. And you never provide detail on what the specifics are either. If Stutters is your 2nd scum read: Where is your pressure to Stutters? There is no aggression here? You say his little activity is changing your mind, how? Its never explained. This is I don’t give a fuck attitude, never seen before in town oats. And, if hes your scum read.. why..do you accuse Gonzaw for being scum because he “tested the waters” with Stutters? Shouldn’t you be supporting Gonzaw with this? Overall, You have not addressed a single question to Stutters. I call bullshit on you.
You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
+ Show Spoiler +You were the first to call out Gonzaw, but its hardly a scum read. You are just stating concern. On January 20 2013 19:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
So far, Gonzaw has a lot of activity but ima wait and see if its town motivated or scum motivated.
After this, when you start calling Gonzaw scum, it is ALWAYS after gonzaw says something to you. You are the one being OMGUS. E.G. Gonzaw then calls out your aggression on FiveTouch:On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote:
Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.
That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something.
I can't really see town motivation behind that.
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
...how is that aggressive? Looks like you are nitpicking on my opening post. Gonzaw calls out Oats first & on top of that speaks about oats 2nd scum read Stutters… yet Oats later says Gonzaw is OMGUS him? Wat the. Oats then says On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Then after Gonzaw pressures him more, we get this: On January 21 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
You needed some time to think about that answer eh?
Get out. I dont have to answer to you what im doing at all times.
I think that using meta clinches a case but using meta solely isnt a good reason cause players change the way they play.
Stop nitpicking.
Gonzaw is a light shade of red, I think that scum need to have someone to control the mayoral elections or at least participate and I dont think that 5 touch is scum so by virtue of association and optimal play, I think gonzaw would flip red.
Complete OMGUS from here it just sinks worse and worse. Oats follows up with another OMGUS case later on. Yet he doesn’t recognize it? On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
+ Show Spoiler +e.G. You call out your favourite scum read On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
And then 1 minute later.. you post this. On January 24 2013 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Debears, willing to share your 'nail in the coffin' now?
Complete change in thought process. You have already moved on.. that’s not the motives in a person head when seriously scum hunting, they focused. Your dabbling in and out of conversation like you don’t care. Another example On January 23 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw,
Overall, it seems like Gonzaw thinks that im bad, OMGUS, and just discredits my case that way.
A few minutes later On January 23 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Double Lynch And a few more minutes later On January 23 2013 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 11:00 debears wrote:
1) Mafia has a few vets and they want us to have to decide between actual town vets and the scum vets
2) Mafia has multiple lurkers and want us to wifom into lynching our vets
What do you say? Isnt this all the possible scenarios? How does this helps us to find scum? He is completely removed from this scum read.. wat the?
You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I played really really bad in the town game that you quoted 5touch, as you said i wouldve gotten lynched until my claim.
Trying to play better, IE not be so fucking stupid about people. Follows up with why he is playing bad when FT puts pressure On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:More players/better players. I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy. Shy.. that’s the equivalent of saying im a newbie (Classic scum tactic)… I then post this On January 14 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Which game?
My first newbie game was fucking horrible and I was town,
My chrono game was different because there were 20-30 people, I was one of the few newbies, It was my first actual game. So yeah, since then, I have become more confident to pressure people.
This completely catches him out on the lie of being shy… he then retorts with On January 24 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta,
I have become more confident to pressure people.
Uhuh, so other than the start of the game, which was poor play which I already addressed,
Wouldnt you say im more confident than in my Chrono game? What the hell, a complete 180 and blatant lie. With more FT pressure he adds On January 24 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cant a guy try to make a joke and be cute about it? Apparently not.
Anyway, gonna sleep now.
and then follows up the next day with: On January 24 2013 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
The reason why I put the 'shy' bullshit, was that I completely forgot why I defended JX.
Blatant lies and making excuses for poor play. Classic scum tactics. Then flips in behavior is a guy going into damage control.. This coupled with his contributions to thread status quo (straight after pressuring a scum read) indicate he just doesn’t care.. odd, because of the ultra aggression he shows (to the people with low influence).. Definitely scum.
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Actually, fuck it. I never wrote a case about gonzaw, yet I have been tunneling him relentlessly and basing all my other reads on the behaviour towards him.
Scum isn't stupid, they didn't infer on the exact reasons why I think gonzaw is scum, people like yamato have been setting themselves up to bus him, so everything points towards scum knowing that I know about gonzaw and why I do.
I didn't want to claim (thanks Ace for your guide) cause it causes WIFOM shitstorms, but town is heading towards probable mislynches and people think I'm an idiot for what I'm doing. They aren't able to see that gonzaw is scum no matter how hard I push them to look (this is especially for you Bugs).
So I'm sending this nice fuck you-message to our scum mayor before he slips away with some made up shit.
I don't think I would survive the night or not get roleblocked even if I didn't claim, so eat this and get lynched bitches:
Gonzaws' role makes it likely that he has not been framed, luckily.
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Okay so I've compiled a list of posts from his town game that lead me to believe that he has incorporated parts of his town meta into this game, and one particular post that I feel would give me a strong tell that I find completely lacking.
On January 13 2013 09:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 08:55 Mocsta wrote:
All you have done is successfully derailed the thread convo, and made people uncomfortable to post. Others have agreed with me. I see no town motivation for your behaviour.
You have continued this behaviour, and when asked about it, you dodge the questions and instead ask irrelevant questions to the mods.
OOO I like this post. Explain how I have derailed thread convo. How have I dodged questions. Where are the irrelevent questions. TO EVERYONE: I see no town motivation for your behaviour.Notice how he doesnt say that my behaviour is scummy. Notice. Mocsta, do you want to lynch people for being bad or for being scum?
This post of his, and especially the part I bolded, is something he's done quite a lot this game, and it incorporates a couple of facets of his play that I find telling. First of all, he addresses his question, and indeed most of his posting in general, to the loudest/most influential thread presence, in this game that was Mocsta. In NMM, he spends a lot of time interacting with Micsta, just as he has done this game with Vivax early in the game, and FT in the latter half of D1. Perhaps this is just a general tendency of his play, but he has kept with the same sort of behavior there.
Secondly, the question itself is one he is oft to repeat. Oats has asked FT whether he believed Oats to be bad/scum on multiple occasions and in many different ways. Again, this is a small thing, but it is the little things that we lose when we play mafia versus when we play town, and Oats is consistent in this manner.
On January 13 2013 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok posters with little to no content
laguerta
Trotske
Acid~
glurio
Posters that seem to be trolling the shit out of the thread
Bringniga
##Vote: bringaniga
Its less than 12 hours to lynch and I know that you are active. Please contribute in a manner that will help town
Either we lynch them, or lynch an active player.
Also, in case you guys didnt read the OP or dont know, its plurality lynch so the person with the most votes at the end of the day will get lynched. THEREFORE there is no need to consolidate to lynch. HOWEVER town should consolidate in order to prevent scum from being able to affect the final vote with a last minute vote switch
If I'm not wrong, Oats has made a carbon copy of this post this game, calling out inactive players. It also reveals a mindset he has that is reinforced with this:
On January 13 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta stop being useless and repeating what other people have already said.
He is preoccupied, as town, with the "pro-town" concept of how people are or aren't playing, and gives his opinion. He has many of these sorts of posts and comments in his filter this game, which again is a small tell, but certainly indicative of the fact that he's playing to some degree with the same mindset he would if he was town. Is he a good enough mafia player to fake this? I have no reason to believe so, but it is possible.
On January 13 2013 08:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Mocsta, you are looking awfully scummy. In fact, im gonna vote you. After I show how you are scum Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote:
BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid".
What is wrong with sounding paranoid? Do you instantly believe what the other person says? This is scummy because Town wants paranoid players to find scum and scum want believing players to manipulate. Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 16:41 Mocsta wrote:zarepath, thanks for the well thought out response. I actually replied to Sn0_Man before reading this.. if i did read this first, I could have saved myself a post. On January 12 2013 14:51 zarepath wrote:
I think you're right, Sno_Man, that it can be instawin if mafia can control the town environment. But instead of auto-suspecting anyone who is proactive, perhaps a better tack is to make sure we have a town environment that mafia cannot control.
Scum also want to buddy the most active town player in the thread so that they wont get pushed by him. Mocsta, how does this post add to the 'conversation' you keep talking about? Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 07:14 Mocsta wrote:
Wow. Thats it over the night shift.
Oats u sound like sno_man.
perhaps the aggresion u 2 have shown is why there is a lack of discussion.
I think u should read what i posted to him.
My questions are ice breakers and i have not a genuine comment from to stimulate town conversation. In fact. You are deterring conversation.
@oatsmaster
Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations Come on, show how me and sno-man are not stimulating conversation? Not being all friendly and nice isnt a scumtell you know. Like what is a genuine comment? Sounds like fluff you are throwing out there because you cant respond to my post. Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 07:23 Mocsta wrote:
Trotske,
I agree his posts are ermm.. "diffferent?"..
however, there are still to my knowledge 3 participants who have not contributed at all.
Acid, Shz, Glurio
@Trotske
Since you are here, I may as well try to generate some meaningful discussion.
(1)
Do you think it was reasonable to mention to Sn0_Man and Oatsmaster that their over-agressive/paranoid type early-game playstyle might actually be preventing people from talking (including the 3 I listed above)?
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Do you think that behaviour is a normal town approach to the game? Ok mentioning the lurkers which everyone can see... Looks involved but has no point in stimulating conversation. The first question he asked Trotske is hilarious. 'Do you think that my posts on them were scummy?' That is not a townie mindset. At all. Because town is more concerned about finding scum, than caring how they look to the other players. 2. Again, what is the point in asking this question? It looks good at first glance but this can be adequately be answered in great detail by both scum and town so what he is trying to get out of it? He is trying to see if people agree with the oats/sno lynch. Mocsta, either shape up or die. ##Vote: Mocsta
This case on Mocsta is quite interesting to me. He makes the same sort of case against Gonzaw, and while that case did not come until N1, it shows the same sort of mindset and play that Oats shows when town. He is overly focused on one person, and is generally only critical or slightly aware of the thread around him.
One criticism of Oats this game is that he's "too aggressive", something that I find to be something that characterizes his town game.
On January 13 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey Mocsta, what was the point of your opening questions? Do you think you achieved your goal?
This, and the post I quoted earlier of him criticizing Mocsta, are two of his first few posts in the game. He continues that type of aggressive language throughout. Him being aggressive is not indicative of him being mafia, it is of him being town.
On January 13 2013 18:51 Oatsmaster wrote:How the fuck am I intimidating town from contributing? Please actually quote, it irritates me when you say I am wrong about you and you leave it at that. Thanks for not telling me how to change. Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 07:18 Mocsta wrote:
@oatsmaster
Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations
How does aggressive posts stop fluid and positive town conversation? What is your idea of a good town conversation Mocsta? Show nested quote +
Why are you so against town collaborating together to prepare for the scum hunt?
I started the scumhunting? How does town collaborate when no one knows who else is town? If people dont want to post, then that is their problem. I shouldnt have to force people to post right? Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
Hmm... Mocsta could you link the game Oats was scum. I just looked through three of his old games and he was town in all. It did bring to my attention the massive change in his play style though. Although it doesn't incriminate him, it sure as hell doesn't help what I'm thinking about him.
I was scum in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389Show nested quote +
The hypocrisy in what you've accused Mocsta of and what you have done so far is amazing.
Explain please
Elements in this post show how he handles suspicion placed on him with town. He obviously doesn't understand it, and indeed finds himself to be pro-town, something I find consistent with his defenses this game. While he may not be as arrogant because there are players better than him playing, he is certainly making an effort to play, in certain ways, similar to his town game.
Again, I reach the conclusion that I think Oats is town, and for it, I find Gonzaw more likely to be mafia. Let's lynch him instead.
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This does seem to be consistent with the rest of your filter, Vivax. Why did you check gonzaw?
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I'd actually prefer if we lynched FT first cause gonzaw used up his powers anyway.
We don't need a scum mayor with three votes.
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Lol, Vivax, how am I "setting myself up to bus" someone I conclude to be mafia in my post? How am I "setting up" for anything when my vote has been on him since?
Who else am I going to lynch after I make a post like that, as mafia?
Stop being dumb. Gonzaw has been my focus, and it's silly of you to read everything I'm doing from the strict mindset that I am mafia.
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Vivax, please answer my question.
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lol Vivax, you need to work on your convincing without being a dick.
Also, this makes no sense as scum unless Vivax is trying an elaborate bus, on someone who wasnt gonna be lynched today.
So. yeah.
Gonzaw, what do you have to say about that?
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I want to see what Gonzaw says about this.
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I have actually no idea what vivax is talking about...
It startet out with "Toad is 100% mafia. I'm willing to take full responsibility on that one" next thing was basicly
"nah let's lynch Gonzaw instead because he's Toads mafiabuddy"
then it was "I'd like to lynch mocsta", now it's
"I didn't want to claim, let's lynch Gonzaw" again (did I miss something? what claim?), next is
"If you're even remotely good at this game you should notice that yamato is scum by reading his play and his meta." and now he's off to vote FT because he's a mafiamayor, although gonzaw is confirmed mafia according to Vivax, together with myself, yamato and mocsta.
I have serious troubles understanding what's going on.
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FT was totally disinterested in lynching gonzaw despite being shoveling shit at him so often.
The reason is simple: Oats, BKE, Chezinu are easier to lynch and most likely aren't on his team.
His last question he wants answered is pointless anyway, it doesn't change anything. I'll give that to you postgame.
Just do me a fucking favour and get rid of FT, that guy is dangerous like 1000 snakes for this town. Given his experience and skill as scum he probably has a powerful role too.
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