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On January 25 2013 01:54 Stutters695 wrote: Aren't you in your 4th now moc? If not you can join. Unless we get some sign-ups before 5pm I'm going to switch this to a 2 of 4 setup and we'll get this going today or tomorrow. I'll add you as a coach when I get home from school Marsh. What is a "2 of 4 setup"? | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:16 warbaby wrote:
Dunno, aggressive behaviour is important IMO so long as its not too confirmation biased blah blah. Gotta put pressure on scum, make em crack. Either way, I won't be around for the first lynch since I'm gonna be out of town at a concert, so I'll make sure to have a vote in before it comes to that. Currently, my plan is to lynch a lurker, but in a smaller 9-person game this might be less of an issue (not sure). GLHF | ||
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Either way, I expect substantially higher quality posts from Acid, and that particular one sounded a LOT like "hey look at me I'm getting in my post, hopefully I sound generically townie" from a scum perspective. Something about the post just sounds hollow. Eh, its not enough to make judgements at this stage. To be fair to acid, his methods were pretty aggressive (and rightly so) last game, so defending that method of play makes sense. Meanwhile: We need more posts overnight if I am to have any chance of making an informed vote before I disappear. I probably won't be able to post much later than 8-10 hours pre-lynch so posts and content PLEASE. There are only 9 people so it's pretty easy to see who is and isn't lurking. | ||
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On January 27 2013 03:16 SkaPunk wrote: I'm here ready for this awesome game. Acid is mad already! Big first post... Assuming you are new, I'll let you know that there are some expectations regarding the content and volume of posts that you contribute. That one doesn't really qualify under content considerations. However, this is the Acid I'd much rather play with, to be honest. He is a bit heavy on the personal insults in his arguments but the emotion is tough to fake and his analysis (once there is something to analyze) is pretty spot on. At the moment I can draw a LOT of parallels between warbaby and mocsta last game (and that coach claim looked really scummy WB. Really scummy). I'd like other peoples thoughts on WB's town/coach claim. | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:17 Slayalot wrote: After reading pages 5,6,7 over a few times - I can't find anyone els who is "making a case against him". So what exactly do you mean? From my perspective, you are the only one attacking Acid. And in a kind of aggressive way. I'm not saying that makes you a scum, but I don't think it's wise to make people afraid to post. If you can extract that much information from what Acid has written so far, you are either damn good at this game, or just very interested in pointing a finger at someone. Also. SkaPunk. your post doesn't count as a real post to me  . You're still a lurker in my eyes. You're gonna have to write some more. What are you going to contribute with, for day 1 ?I mentioned I thought acid's first post was a low-contribution one that a scum could make if they wanted to LOOK like they were doing stuff. | ||
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 On January 27 2013 04:52 warbaby wrote: Snoman, I was trying to scumhunt. Mocsta tried to look like he was scumhunting in XXXV. It makes sense that there would be parallels. And yeah, Acid~ seems to be acting much more himself now I don't think claiming town is scummy D1 -- it basically means nothing -- but doing it indirectly could be interpreted as an attempt to be sneaky and implant suggestions or something. I promise you I am not that sneaky. A) "trying to scumhunt" is a bit rich at this stage. You are/were both trying to take control of town. And you are using the same methods. Additionally, trying to scumhunt and trying to look like you are scumhunting are 2 very different things, and should be reasonably distinct. B) Overt town-claims are scummy as hell. Real town doesn't need to claim, their actions speak louder than their words. | ||
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I'm not attacking you, and I'm not discouraging scumhunting. I'm discouraging town-claims (HI GUYS I"M TOWN CUZ I SAID SO. THAT MEANS YOU SHOULDN'T LYNCH ME), and I'm discouraging attempts to take over town by people who I don't have a town read on yet. Either way, I'm also posting in the hopes that my posts will spark any kind of input whatsoever from the people who have yet to pipe up. If its like this ~12 hours from now I'll be forced to vote a lurker. | ||
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Clearly AFKing and SkaPunk are the 2 least active players by a wide margin, and while SkaPunk did make a post, it really doesn't count as such. I'll vote for him in the hopes that AFKing's first post is worth something... or doesn't happen if you get my drift. ##Vote: SkaPunk | ||
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Nice game of mafia we have going here  For those who were curious, I voted when the vote was 1-1 SkaPunk and AFKing. I had noticed that Abenson was in fact glurio, and that he had at least made a post worth more than the other 2, so I had narrowed down my vote to those two at this point. I gave my reason for SkaPunk over AFKing, and while obviously SkaPunk flipped town, I'm with Cora on this lynch: we had no chance of hitting scum beyond a pure shot in the dark. I'd like to say that Cora's overt comments about 3 scum seem pretty dirty. The setup explicitly says that there are always 2 mafia, and Cora's last game (NMM XXXIV) was another 9 person 2-scum setup much like this one. Cora also co-hosted NMM 35 so he should understand the setup better than that. It sounds a lot to me like "Oh I can't possibly be scum, scum would know how many scum there are". Of course, I may be giving him too much credit, that plan actually sounds pretty hard to come up with on your own, but I suppose scum have a QT for ideas like that. I'll re-read what little there is to read analytically and make more posts tonight I guess. The game is going to be pretty awkward with the amount of lurking/not contributing going on right now though. | ||
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On January 29 2013 00:49 cDgCorazon wrote: Sn0 you can chalk it up to me not looking at the link to the set-up. Once the game starts, I don't look at the pregame posts too much. I made another mistake of not reading when I said Mocsta was a replacement when he actually isn't. I'm asking you to call it a mistake based off of ignorance, nothing more. I just gave a bunch of reasons why I don't think that ignorance is a real excuse for that particular mistake. That being said, it is obviously POSSIBLE for you to be ignorant, I just find it unlikely that YOU of all people would actually make a setup mistake that basic. @Town: I'd like to hear thoughts on this. He already played a 2scum9player setup just like this one (his last game), and he co-hosted a game. Plus I gather he has a history of being very well informed/inquisitive regarding setup etc. On January 29 2013 00:49 cDgCorazon wrote: I would like to see a last will from Sn0, WB, Acid, and whoever else feels like they need to make one. I'm going to be very busy today, but I'll post some thoughts closer to the deadline. I'll be dropping something akin to a last will near the night deadline, and while I encourage the others to as well, I find it somewhat hard to believe that somebody not named Sn0_Man, cDgCorazon or Warbaby might get NK'd. Take that for what you will. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:42 warbaby wrote: That was an awesome post Zare. I will review the thread with what you've said in mind. How could you possibly have known this? Before stutter's PSA, there was not a single post in the entire thread indicating that abenson was glurio. Did someone tell you in the scum QT? And if you did know this as you claim, why the fuck didn't you point it out as soon as Corazon voted for abenson? Ambiguity like this is only going to hurt town, if you're town you should be trying to clear stuff like this up, ASAP. Not pulling it out 12 hours later like it's evidence in a case. A) you know full well I was away when Cora posted his vote. B) I wasn't using it as evidence in a case I was merely explaining my vote in detail C) I knew abenson was out for glurio because I was looking through the filter list for glurio and couldn't find him. Admittedly this was a logical fallacy because it could have been AFKing who glurio replaced, and I would have been none the wiser, but I assumed it was abenson because his was the last name on the list and I hadn't seen him post. Either way, I had him discounted as glurio. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:03 warbaby wrote:Right after your vote for SkaPunk, before you left, I mentioned abenson. I pressed Post, then I pressed Shut Down. I was unaware that I needed to explain to you that glurio was part of the game. @Glurio: Care to post some analysis? in 9-person games (with now 8 living people of which not all have posted) voting summaries are somewhat self-evident, and in any game they don't really earn you townie points. Your last game you didn't get much chance to play, so I'd like to get a feel for your game. What do you think of Slayalot (his filter should be pretty easy to go through), and which parts of Zarepath's analysis of Cora strike you as best/worst? | ||
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Warbaby's vote switching is odd, and is mildly reminiscent of scum jumping around, but with a crummy day 1 like we had I'm not sure we can read too much into anybody's vote. I mean, I can see a town motive of merely doing anything possible to try and trigger posts, but it is a lot easier to see the scum player overthinking the votes and trying to not be identified with the obviously wrong bandwagon. Then again, if I'm scum I'm holding firm with my vote on a indefensible lurker, because it's horrendously safe. Then again, so were his abenson/afking votes so... Yeah maybe this looks worse than I thought. I would like to hear zare's thoughts on the vote given that he asked for a clearly consolidated vote, and then was *not* part of the consensus SkaPunk vote. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:47 warbaby wrote: You don't mind that Corazon voted for someone you knew wasn't in the game? That really makes it sound like your true motivation was not actually to help pressure lurkers. Thanks for answering my questions. I've had my say on this, and the open questions on my voting pattern. I'll shut up about it for now. I agree that we need to hear more about this from everyone else. I, Currently, don't mind that Cora voted for somebody that he thought was in the game. Complex? no. The fact that I believed abenson wasn't a part of the game is immaterial. I suppose you could say that Cora seems to have been acting fairly ignorant of, well, a lot of aspects of this game that I would expect him to be on top of. I'm not calling that scummy yet, but it isn't helping my read on him overall. | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:11 warbaby wrote: That last sentence is weird. First of all is the setup error. Failing to understand the rules/setup is scummy. I'm also guilty of this. Second, why is he thinking about the mafia coach, and why is he even using the word coach after I got bonked by marv for mentioning coaching. Third, the sentence really doesn't help explain his vote at all, so it's a little odd that he included it in the first place. Finally, it looks like he was trying to spark setup speculation (and succeeding at it), which can be a way for scum to smokescreen/prevent more important discussion from taking place. ... Setup and rules misunderstandings are townie. Scum are in close contact with a scum coach who clears most of that stuff up for them, especially the number of scum rofl. What was scummy was Cora's blatant misrepresentation of the setup. I'll admit it was kinda like he was trying to spark off topic speculation and discussion, but FWIW the setup in the 2of4 game is really really simple so there isn't much speculation room. @glurio: There you go. More posts like that please. I'd rather not have to prompt you all the time, but that was a great start. @Slayalot (and Acid): JUST MAKE POSTS PLEASE | ||
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On January 29 2013 05:27 Slayalot wrote: Why would you assume the last person on any list? So I'm looking through the list in the OP for glurio's filter, to judge his contributions. I get to the end, and he isn't there. "hey, where did glurio go?" I glance at the list again and I see this abenson guy, sitting right at the end (glurio was the last guy to /in), whose name I don't recognize and who hasn't posted a word since start. "oh, that must be glurio I remember something about him replacing in". Host hadn't updated the "important posts" part of the OP at that point so it was reasonable to assume that he hadn't updated the filter list either. People need to calm down about this. On January 29 2013 05:27 Slayalot wrote: Thought 2: Right after we lynched a townie, warbaby seemed very nervous. Triple posting. Being too tired and misunderstanding stuff. And right after - pointing fingers at the people who voted for skapunk. (me, sn0 and glurio) You seemed very scummy to me, right there and then. Reading the thread today, I was hoping that there would be more talk about this. But I just have the feeling that you are one step ahread, always redirecting the thread to other people. What does everyone els think on this subject? Again, warbaby has played this game almost line for line like mocsta did last game (except moc was better at coming up with BS cases, something that WB hasn't grown into yet). I've indicated that I find that scummy, but there quite simply hasn't been enough people posting for there to have been legitimate discussion regarding that. I'm glad you bring it up though. Posting anything helped your cause a lot, because your first post yesterday really smacked of scum putting in the mandatory 1 post + vote without contributing ANYTHING to the hunt for scum. At this point, however, you are still pretty high up on the lynch list, so keep posting | ||
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@Zare: he reminds me a lot of mocsta, but you will notice that It wasn't me who really outed mocsta. I'm bad at seeing through play like this to real motives. I'll say more around deadline. | ||
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Apart from having the most posts, the biggest parallel between warbaby and mocsta is their desperate need to be perceived as scumhunting, and their penchant for counter-attacking those who dare question their posts or motives. Warbaby trumpets his scumhunting, without doing any. It is all about him, and any questioning of that results in "YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, THEREFORE YOU HATE SCUMHUNTING AND LOVE SCUM". I still find it somehow believable that he is a poor, misguided townie. As I did with mocsta. I'm certifiably awful at this game | ||
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On January 29 2013 20:15 zarepath wrote: Noted.... I'll be looking through filters today between tasks at work, everybody's filter but warbaby for now. We are very focused on him right now as a town (not necessarily undeservedly) and I worry that too many are getting by without contributing because of that. Sure, but in the main they haven't contributed anyway. At this point, I've pretty much decided, we are lynching warbaby if I can make it happen today. I'm sure I can be convinced otherwise but at this point I don't see what evidence is really gonna come up that is worse than warbaby's play. What I would like to discuss right now is the night action. Remember that NOBODY DIED last night. The scenarios that I can think of for that are: A) Mafia shit the bed (pretty unlikely given that they have a coach), B) Both mafia members are/were inactive (Cakepie... )C) Town has a JailKeeper/Doctor who is a clairvoyant (this one seems the most likely). In the case of C, however, there is an interesting distinction between having a JK and a Doc. If we have a Doc, they have a confirmed townie on their hands, although that isn't necessarily that helpful. If we have a JK, then they know that their target is EITHER mafia OR the mafia target last night. But they can't be certain which. That again is interesting. I don't think B) could happen either, since Cakepie is the only TRULY afk player over the course of all of Night 1... although if anybody can come up with a plausible scumteam that was simply afk all night 1 I'm listening. | ||
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Admittedly, it would be nice to see consistent contribution with wide-ranging analysis from, well, everybody, but some people have other obligations. Still kinda waiting on the big "I'm here" post from Cakepie. Having 0 posts (worth mentioning) between you and your predecessor is not a good pedigree. | ||
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On January 30 2013 01:55 warbaby wrote: Having other obligations (SlayAlot) is different from being warned for playing the game improperly (Acid~). Acid~ has still not explained why he signed up for this game knowing he had 24 hour work shifts coming up, or why he thinks this is OK. Apart from the fallacy of your logic, What does that have to do with being scum? Pretend that Acid is this horrible guy that you make him out to be. He signed up without sufficient time to really participate. What makes that scummy? Keep in mind that he certainly didn't know alignment before he signed up... You just need ways to attack the guys you don't like, the guys who are willing to challenge you. | ||
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On January 30 2013 02:04 warbaby wrote: If the blue is doc, should they claim? I believe accepted theory in these games is that blues only claim when they are a) up for mislynch or b) in a MYLO/LYLO situation. I'm not sure I 100% agree with the theory, but I believe that is it. On January 30 2013 02:04 warbaby wrote: I don't think it was clairvoyant that nobody died N1 (and I think you sound like a sadscum by saying this), I think it was just damned lucky. Probably won't happen again, and there's a chance the Doc (if there is one) will be killed before they can do anything more useful. Clairvoyant, as a term, has its roots in french. Clair = clear, Voyant = seeing. Together, they are "Clear-seeing". The connotation is generally associated with future-sight. I'd say clairvoyant is a pretty good way to describe our Doc/JK after they successfully saved a townie (or blocked the mafia performing the KP, either or). They saw through the situation clearly, and predicted who was gonna get hit (or in the case of a JK, they may have predicted who is mafia). Obviously the chances of pulling it off again are not that high, but everybody knows that. Baseless accusations that I "sound like sadscum" are somewhat interesting, but they only help town by demonstrating your scumminess really. Either way, I really wish PM's were allowed in this game Still waiting on something (anything) from Cakepie | ||
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On January 30 2013 02:26 warbaby wrote: I don't believe in the supernatural, so I simply can't accept your claim of clairvoyance. ??? I didn't say the blue did some voodoo ritual to divine who they should target... I said the blue had "clear view", that they saw through the situation and acted accordingly. Please tell me you guys see this shit he's pulling as scummy? Trying to associate my arguments with belief in the supernatural, saying that being impressed with the save makes me sound like sadscum, I mean come on. ##Vote: warbaby I want this vote down and ready. As of now, the onus is on YOU (warbaby) to either a) prove your innocence or b) demonstrate extremely convincingly why somebody who is NOT you is scum. | ||
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On January 30 2013 03:44 warbaby wrote: You're asking me to make a case against someone other than Acid~. Since I will immediately be accused of OMGUS if I make a case on you, Sn0_man (who I currently claim is my #2 scum read), I guess that leaves Glurio. Not quite true but OK. All you have to do is convince me to vote for somebody else. I've heard your arguments on your "#1 scum read" Acid. Feel free to keep banging away but so far it isn't convincing me of anything beyond your scumminess. If you wish to attempt to convince me that I am scum, feel free. I expect it would be about as effective as anything else you are gonna try. On January 30 2013 02:38 Sn0_Man wrote: As of now, the onus is on YOU (warbaby) to ... demonstrate extremely convincingly why somebody who is NOT you is scum. I'm interested to hear your take on glurio though. I thought that his play this game is much like his play last game: lurky, low contribution, but kinda excited to be playing and just not too familiar with how he should act. Seemed pretty townie to me in that light, but by all means show me what he has done that is scum-motivated. One thing to clear up, and this is directed at ALL PLAYERS: just because somebody hasn't posted as much as you want them to, doesn't make them scum. It isn't "scummy" to disappear for 12+ hours. Admittedly, it isn't helping town, but this is a newbie game and there are many players that simply won't put the time in. If you wish to argue that "person X" is abusing this fact, demonstrate exactly how their actions are scum motivated and how the answers that they HAVE provided are crafted from a scum perspective. Lynching lurkers incessantly is not at all a surefire way to get scum. | ||
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On January 30 2013 04:15 warbaby wrote: EBWOP: Glurio's level of contribution is ONLY going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio. Scumslip. You know he's town, proven by the phrase "other towns". The fact that you a) have this info and b) are still making an argument against him... yeah. Nice one. | ||
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On January 30 2013 04:13 warbaby wrote:it's hypocritical for Sn0 criticize me for tunneling at the same time. I also don't think I've ever even mentioned you tunnelling, much less criticized you for it, so putting that in your post was pretty unnecessary. Either way, all this flailing about isn't helping you. I just wish we had more people around posting. | ||
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First off, I'm 90% sure that jailkeeping never results in notifications of any sort, (that includes roleblock notifications) but I could be wrong. It isn't too specific in the OP. Next, a scum role-cop isn't really affecting our play at all. They may hit, they may miss, we can't do much about it. Honestly, I think that its in their best interest to just NK anybody they suspect of being blue over role-copping them so... I wasn't blaming you for being AFK, I was merely going over the possibility of the scum team actually just not being present as an explanation of the no-kill night. And then asserting that since only one person wasn't here, at least one scum was present to submit a night action. | ||
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Looking forward to reads from Cakepie and his fresh eyes, although I understand he is busy. | ||
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On January 30 2013 06:31 warbaby wrote: Yeah, you're right. I messed up the chronology. I'm getting really tired and will probably head out now. I should be back by 9am (EST) tomorrow. Thanks for posting a bunch more, Sn0_man. I still don't agree with a number of things you've said, but if you're town and pushing me to get a better read, then you're being decent about it and I appreciate that. I really don't like how Acid~ just took off after his rather fast vote on me =/ There we go. This is the kind of post that Mocsta could never bring himself to. It is still way too much of a flip-flop from previous to make me really believe that you are town, but this is serious progress. @Slayalot: I'll go through acid's filter again, but I hope you are aware that it is fairly unlikely that BOTH your top two reads are scum due to their interaction so far. Some consideration of that may be in order. | ||
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On January 30 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm 90% sure that jailkeeping never results in notifications of any sort, (that includes roleblock notifications) but I could be wrong. It isn't too specific in the OP. Turns out I was WRONG. Pursuant to PM's with the host, any player who was jailkept would recieve a roleblock notification. So either: A) we don't have a jailkeeper. Eminently possible. B) our Jailkeeper JK'd scum, who didn't wish to claim (somewhat understandable). C) our JailKeeper JK'd town, who for some unknown reason didn't claim. Just so we are on the same page, and since this is a newbie mafia, I'll remind everybody that it is common in mafia to immediately notify town if you were roleblocked during the night, regardless of your role (including VT). Feel free to ask coaches about this. As such, any townie who recieved a RoleBlock notification should claim it ASAP (it isn't too late). After a bit of time has passed and everybody has read the thread, we can start working on which option it is. | ||
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On January 30 2013 07:57 cDgCorazon wrote: Alright, so after taking Acid's response into account, here is my action for D2 (barring something crazy). ##Vote: Acid~ If anyone has any questions, feel free to let me know. Keep in mind its a 48 hour day cycle so we have ~26 more hours to discuss/consider. | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:03 zarepath wrote: If scum were JK'd last night, preventing their kill from going out, you'd think they would claim they were JK'd so that they could take credit for the option of just having been SAVED from mafia. Maybe, especially since somebody knows who was roleblocked in that case. This makes me think we have a doctor and no JK. | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:05 cDgCorazon wrote: Well I did not want to spring the case on Acid too late. Perhaps I did do it too early. I was thinking about making the case about 7 hours from now, but I wasn't sure if Acid was going to have personal stuff or be sleeping or anything like that. I'm just giving him the time to respond. Plus he's here now so it seemed like a good time as well. Your post included something about not changing unless something drastic happened. Made me think you thought deadline was coming up. | ||
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On January 30 2013 23:53 zarepath wrote: Zarepath's Review of Corazon's Filter by Zarepath + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2013 05:08 cDgCorazon wrote: Well there's a 1/3rd chance that we lynch the right player if we LAL today. So there's not much to lose on a lurker lynch. I really hope that all three of them aren't mafia, because if they do not vote and get modkilled (I hope I'm not breaking a rule by saying that) there are some scary players waiting in the replacement section if they're all mafia. Just theorycrafting. Hosts let me know if I broke any rules by speculating about it. One of the game's scummiest posts, IMO. Theorycrafting and blatant rule-breaking and no real drive to hunt for scum; this post characterizes Corazon's D1 participation pretty well. On January 28 2013 10:06 cDgCorazon wrote: Well, the chances of us getting a scum D1 were zero. I'm gonna relook over the day's events and let you all know if I find anything of importance. I mentioned earlier how this contradicts his earlier post about the chances of finding scum D1. He's obviously not very consistent with his desire/town's ability to find scum. On January 29 2013 10:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm really sorry that I couldn't post my last thoughts, my phone died and I just got home. However, I would like to make a general answer to the accusations made against me. Being inconsistent: You're right Zare, my focus just has not been here over the first day. I'm making a promise to all of you now that I'm going to read the thread again before saying anything. No more inconsistencies. If you're expecting a defense to this point, you're not gonna get one. I've been wasting my time. Voting for Ska: At the point in time I was going to vote for Ska, it was already going to be him lynched, with 3 people voting for him who wouldn't be able to change their votes before the deadline. I voted Abenson to make sure all of the lurkers knew that we would not allow for lurking. Once I was notified that Abenson didn't exist, I just decided to consolidate our vote for Ska. Glurio's comment that something in my post was fishy (without actually saying which part was fishy) is scummy in itself, trying to distract the town by getting them to find a deeper meaning in everything that I post. Not knowing set-up/being ignorant: I've already stated this, it's a massive WIFOM bomb. Stop distracting town with it. Me not playing to my "usual standard" (whatever that is): In the past two games I've played, I spent 6 Days as scum and 1 day as town. So perhaps me not playing like I did in XXXIII means I'm town? Now to the scumhunting part. The problem I'm having with Acid right now is that all he has done the whole game is tunneled Warbaby. I know he's going after his scum read, but most of his posts have been in his argument with WB and attacking WB. I made an argument against him asking for a reply, and it has completely ignored in his pursuit to have Warbaby lynched at all costs. Ignoring an argument is an automatic FoS for me. If he was town, why would he ignore an argument made against him. If he is truly innocent, he can explain his behavior, not ignore me and hope it blows over. FoS: Acid~ I'm gonna go through the thread again just to make sure I didn't miss anything. Last note for this long post: Zare, I'm glad you got your RL stuff out of the way. Your case against me was the most solid of the multiple arguments (I really can't call any of the rest cases) against me. It's going a long way for me to believe that you are town. Keep it up. In his long post, he calls Glurio, Acid, and whoever it is he calls out for the "massive WIFOM bomb" of saying it's scummy that he didn't know the setup, was ignorant, etc; scummy. At the end, he goes way out of his way to compliment the person who put a case on him; "Keep it up buddy! You're helping town so much by analyzing me! Good work!" This smells a little of overcompensation, a Congratulating the Medic deal. Town would not go out of their way to compliment the people going after them; town doesn't want to waste town's time by being analyzed, they want to go after scum. But Corazon doesn't really attempt to confirm his towniness except by throwing barbs at three different people and FoSing Acid for "tunneling" the game's scummiest player, warbaby. Here's a thing about tunneling, people -- it's only tunneling if your analysis is loaded with confirmation bias and you refuse to see evidence in anything else. If you have a scum read on someone, it's totally appropriate to pressure that person continually for more information. If you're sure they'll be lynched, it's STILL appropriate to pressure them for more information because they're going to be dead soon and unable to give up any more details. Let's quit using the term "tunneling" to mean anytime somebody focuses on a single player, okay? It's more about being blind to other possibilities and having confirmation bias than it is focusing on a single player. Cora requotes himself, then quotes me to say I summed it up nicely, then puts some pressure on WB, calling him out along with the rest of us, which does seem fairly town but he did put the FoS on Acid first. But in his continual pressure on WB, he doesn't make a case for his scumminess; he just pleads with him to stop dragging town down. It's his "execution" that's the problem, not the case itself. He's doing work here to suggest that WB is simply bad town, not active scum. When it comes down to his ultimatum on the fact that it's between Acid and WB, he chooses Acid because WB is the town jester, a persona that Cora has crafted for him over all of his facetious posts ("extra, extra!"). He requotes Sn0 without any additional content. He condemns Acid so severely for tunneling WB -- in fact, it's the core of his case on him. But I don't see a cohesive scum case or clear direction in Corazon's play, or even a modicum of contemplation, or for seeking relevant new information. Corazon looks scummy to me. Pro Tip: We aren't lynching Cora today. To be honest, his day 1/ night 1 play didn't impress me much either (pretty sure I wrote a post about that somewhere), but his more recent interactions are enough for me to give him a ride today. @Acid: I know you can be effective, you know I don't mind a bit of vitriol in the arguments, but can you please be semi-reasonable. I really want to lynch warbaby right now, but you are begging me to call that off and nail you with your play. I get that you can't play all the time, I'm not hating your for your missed vote, but please be aware that excuses can be made up by scum to give them a free-ride for minimal contribution (which is why I'm still not sold on slayalot). 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On January 31 2013 00:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I warned that this would basically take over D2, and it has. Good job guys. If we lynch scum day 2, then it was a very worthwhile day... | ||
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On January 31 2013 00:40 cDgCorazon wrote: I just want to highlight the third-person town claim by Zare. Not really, he was outlining the decision process and specifying that WB's decision hinged on WB's perception of zare as town | ||
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I'm not saying he is scum, but if he is he is having the easiest game of his life, while every so often popping in to toss out an easy post without any real goal. There isn't any fire in him to kill scum. His filter is decently short, if anybody wants to go have a quick read. | ||
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Glurio has been mentioned before, and while admittedly he isn't the most brilliant scumhunter my read on him is the noob town read, where he tries but really is pretty clueless. I don't really see any scum motivation there. Slayalot is admittedly getting it pretty easy (especially from Warbaby o.O) but they have at least been mentioned. I'll prolly scroll through their filter again. For some reason I keep wanting to use female pronouns to describe slayalot (teacher gender-bias maybe? dunno). | ||
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I'm less sure that warbaby is scum, although his play is pretty hard to explain. I still feel like killing him will be the easiest way to bring clarity to the game. Plus there is still a better chance of him flipping scum than anybody else right now. My worry is if WB flips town, then we have no leads (acid still doesn't seem scummy, just annoying atm) and not much time. Another part of me wants to lynch CakePie since he has quite simply posted essentially nothing. The classic lurker lynch. While I know he doesn't have a ton of time blah blah blah, all he has done is a tiny bit of setup discussion. Thats it. 1 post worth the name. Admittedly he hasn't even had 48 hours to contribute, but he has had long enough to do more than 1 post. Oh yeah, If we could get a votecount as well as updated OP with flips and Cakepie that would be awesome thanks | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:18 warbaby wrote: When you see my flip, should I be mislynched tonight, it will blow your mind. Guaranteed. And then you will realize you should have kept me in the game. If you wish to make a doctor claim, I'm all ears. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:20 warbaby wrote: Not yet, hun. We're still too far from deadline. Time to deadline isn't terribly relevant during the day. Blue claims at night need to be right up on the deadline to ensure that the NK doesn't change to get the blue. Blue claims during the day should be early in the day so that they can be fairly examined and accounted for. Unless you wish to make the blue-claim last minute so that nobody can dispute it... which sounds pretty scummy. I think it is already decently clear that you will get lynched today without a blueclaim and proof (although the requested votecount should clear that up). | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:30 warbaby wrote: I never said I swtiched from Ska because I had a town read on him. I voted for Ska in the first place to pressure him into posting. It didn't work. I thought maybe there was some >0% chance pressuring someone else to post would work. Imagine I am the doctor. The doctor NEEDS to make town reads to be an effective doctor (unlike a VT who only really needs to make scum reads). Does that help you understand my play? Soft roleclaims like this only get you NK'd if you are actually blue (looking highly unlikely at this stage). You actually did say something about a weak town read on SkaPunk, tbh. Hell, I'll dig it out: On January 28 2013 08:35 warbaby wrote: If SkaPunk's single post was a scum trying to blend in then he's the worst scum ever. My (very weak) read on him is that he's town | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:34 warbaby wrote: That's not the reason I switched my vote from him. The argument is that if you have a weak town read on ska, you would defend him more, no matter how weak the read was. Why, if you think he was town, did you not make any kind of post trying to save him? | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:36 warbaby wrote: If I'm alive at the start of D3 I'll consider claiming, if I still have no useful scum reads. IF you are town AND alive at the start of D3 (and we mislynch somebody, plus doctor misses a save), we will be in MYLO (mis-lynch loses). In that case, a blue claim wouldn't be something you would "consider" it would be straight up REQUIRED (if you were blue). Something gives here. You are NOT blue, and you are soft-claiming to get us off of you. It looks scummy as hell and I'm getting progressively less likely to switch off of you. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:44 zarepath wrote: Stalling to blue claim until just before lynch makes it seem as though you're hoping there's no time for a counterclaim. If you role claim any later than the next hour or so, I'm going to ignore any further role claims from you. You're in no position to be a tease about this. Thats pretty much exactly what I said. | ||
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That out of the way, don't fake a blueclaim then fail to back it up. Its suicide. I'll admit we might not be giving you a fair chance at other things. | ||
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On January 31 2013 04:07 warbaby wrote: I tried to hunt scum, and you guys went all Spanish Inquisition on my ass. I still tried to hunt scum, while explaining my actions, since you guys were grilling me so hard I figured you must really not get it. What the fuck else am I supposed to do? I'm not SkaPunk's defense attorney. The quality of the scumhunting was, in our opinion, questionable. It certainly isn't helping your cause that there are still 2 ultra-low content posters in this game, which kinda make it both hard for you to scumhunt and at the same time focus a lot of attention on you, but I still think you are scum so we are gonna let the flip decide. I do feel bad because the vibe that I get from you right now is that this is causing you legitimate distress, which really isn't the point of forum mafia, especially when you are sick. | ||
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A soft roleclaim that is then backed off of is simply a scumclaim not a roleclaim. You essentially claimed doctor, but refused to come out with it. Not good enough. Until you actually make a real blue claim, with good points, your actions look scummy. My point about WHEN to roleclaim is merely that a last-second roleclaim is less helpful to town than a roleclaim now, so why postpone it as town? | ||
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On January 31 2013 04:55 Acid~ wrote: Maybe it's confirmation bias, but warbaby's whole soft-claim thing reads to me like an attempt to bait the real doc into claiming so they can secure a night kill. Quite possible. The doctor can't self-protect, unfortunately. In fact, that is a very good point. Alright, @ the real doctor: DO NOT CLAIM. Even if warbaby claims, do not counter. He will even know who you protected last night, if he is scum. @warbaby; we already established that it is very very likely scum did do an action last night, since everybody save cakepie was around Night 1. And not doing an action is pretty silly in a scum game. This speculation doesn't look good. | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:04 warbaby wrote: I am doctor. I used my night action on Zarepath. I will post before lynch (if I am still set to be lynched) with a full info dump. Otherwise I will post a detailed will N2. This flu is making me fucking delirious. That in mind, I want town to remember there is a 20% chance of JK and some unknown probability they made the N1 save. When I flip doc zare is not 100% confirmed town. I will post more, to make my claim/suicide as useful as possible for town as soon as I'm sure I'm not spouting delirium-induced nonsense. Hard claiming to prevent mislynch is bullshit because I will just die N2. I will try my best to make another save, but that's futile if I am the night target. Much more helpful to town. Please do post a full info dump (whatever that is supposed to mean). I'm still convinced you are scum If nothing else, i fail to see why scum would hit zare night 1, no matter who they were. As such, some justification of why you protected him (hypothetically) would be nice. | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:17 cDgCorazon wrote: Acid you're being as much of a prick as you're claiming WB has. Why don't you practice what you preach? +1 + Show Spoiler + I know this isn't really how you post on TL, but... | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:31 zarepath wrote: Acid is way out of control, but more than I think scum would want to be. I think the best possible scum outcome from today would be cakepie scum watching everyone lynch warbaby medic. We really have let our lurkers get away from us today -- Slayalot and cakepie mostly, although Glurio's participation was a little lacking as well. I liked what he said, but that was probably because he was just talking about warbaby. I'll have to go over the filters. I am feeling that warbaby's medic claim is solid. It sucks that we had to make him do it, but now that it's out I think that it's for real. ##Unvote: warbaby Didn't see this before my last post. His doc claim is roflgarbage. I want to see the flip. Lurkers are a real problem admittedly, but if we spend 2 days lynching Slay and Cake, then we lose if neither of them flip scum... so we have to hit the scummy players not the lurkers at this point. Although the silence is deafening from cakepie today. | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:47 cDgCorazon wrote: First of all Zare, why are you trying to put me in the spotlight? Second of all, WB/Acid made it all about them when they started firing the votes 10 minutes into D2. I decided between the two that my vote is going to Acid. I'm gonna stick to my guns. Are you SERIOUS? after all the hilarious bullshit spewing out of warbaby's mouth with half blue-claims, then a full blue claim that he protected *zarepath*, and you want to lynch acid? o_o Admittedly acid has played like an enormous asshole all game, but... I don't (currently) think that makes him scum. The largest problem here is that with the disparity of votes scum can last-minute voteswitch and get the lynch they want right now... Somebody day 1 called for consolidation of voting (zare i think). Can we consolidate today please? | ||
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While I don't believe that this happened, it is also possible that scum killed nobody night 1 to allow them an easy doctor claim (and to mislead any doctor) but that doesn't really make sense to me since they don't know what blues town got. @the real doctor: If it looks like warbaby will get off today with a fake doctor claim, feel free to pipe up. I changed my mind, lynching scum is more important than your personal safety (IMO). Of course, if warbaby is actually the doctor then... o_o | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not switching because I know that if he flips doc I'm going to get called out on it. You guys do a great job of twisting my words. I'm sticking to my guns. If WB flips scum, just know that I put pressure on him too. If anyone has been listening to anything I say besides what they use to twist my words, it's a tough call. Both have been playing really terrible games. I just feel like Acid's is just a bit worse at this point still. Just as he called out WB, this is his contribution to the scum hunt: | | (The space in between the lines is his contribution.) I have a plenty strong town read on you, don't worry about your own image, nail the scum. If he turns out doctor its me and acid who screwed up. Voting acid when he clearly won't get lynched today is not helping town. All you do is make the scum votes more powerful by throwing yours away. | ||
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If you don't want to lynch warbaby (who I think has 3 votes right now), you need to provide a viable alternate candidate with strong evidence. Otherwise, scum are going to be able to change the lynch to whoever they want with their 2 votes. At this point, the only person who I could see justifying over warbaby is Cakepie because of his super-hardcore lurker status (or maybe slay for similar reasons). I'd rather lynch what I feel is scum over a lurker though unless you can provide good reasons. No warbaby, I do not wish to hear any self-defense anymore. [green]I'd really like an official votecount to see where we are. Thanks [/green | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:49 warbaby wrote: Lurker 1: cakpie. His single post was probably more useful than all of the contributions of, Lurker 2: Slay We need to get rid of these clowns before we can properly scumhunt. I am most comfortable at this point lynching a lurker. Warbaby can't properly scumhunt until we kill the last 2 lurkers, yet from day 1 he was self-proclaimed "scumhunting" and anybody who questioned him was clearly scum-loving. Can we PLEASE kill Warbaby? @Acid: are you seriously voting cora? o_o where did everything go so wrong... Cora is *not* scum. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:32 zarepath wrote: I didn't really look at things this way until I considered that warbaby is actually a cop. things make much more sense now; the things that happened 12 hours ago now look much more scummy. He isn't cop he claimed doctor rofl. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:10 Acid~ wrote: Because that would mean I am scum, and I know that I am not scum. LOGIC Anyway, if you want us to believe your breadcrumbing on Cora you need to hard claim cop at this point. Fine. I'm the cop and I checked cora last night. He came back clean. It explains my views on the Doc/JK situation (I forgot about there being both cuz THERE CAN"T BE) and it explains my 180 on cora (who I thought was scummy day 1 and night 1, before I received the results) Happy? now scum have me as an easy target tonight. | ||
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ONE OF THE HORSES IN THIS RACE ISNT SCUM AND HIS NAME IS CORAZON. The other one (warbaby) we really don't know about. I think he is scum. I *can't* change my vote now or else known town gets lynched. This is why I asked for a decent alternative to warbaby that everybody could consolidate on: so that scum's votes wouldn't be so strong. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:14 Acid~ wrote: If this is true, I'm sorry if this seems cold but I'm fine with trading a blue role for 50% of a scum team. I have less than an hour to re-read your filter and check if what you say makes sense, but I'll do it. I'm happy with trading me for scum too. Which is why I'm willing to claim to save any chance of a cora lynch, even though its warbaby with FULLY HALF THE VOTES and as such I don't think he can be overtaken without glurio swapping. My only issue is that warbaby could actually flip cop right now. | ||
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I wanted to call cakepie scum but you are zare's actions look far too much like a scum wagon (one of you and warbaby are the scumteam that makes sense, you and zare actually makes none cuz why save warbaby? I was wrong a few posts ago) | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:30 Acid~ wrote: The thing is, Sn0_Man is playing almost exactly like in XXXV where he was town, and his actions make sense: he jumped on Corazon day1 then started defending him day2 which is consistent with a cop check. This setup only allows sane cops and no framers or gf so an innocent check is 100% proof. So, the only way I can buy Corazon as scum now is if Sno is also scum and I don't buy it. Remember, lurking scum always has a good excuse ready in advance. Slayalot's airtight "alibi" is exactly what makes me suspicious of him. Holy shit acid is back to thinking like last game Where was this acid all game? | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:31 warbaby wrote: Vote slayalot right now, or explain yourself. A) zare is still on cora B): On January 31 2013 09:22 Sn0_Man wrote: EBWOP: *might* accept that lynch today | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:32 cakepie wrote: right, we'd have to convince one of you guys on the warbaby wagon to move. It'll have to Sn0 or Cora. Yeah only I bet cora is scared as shit right now and won't move. Could be wrong. I probably die tonight so I really need to get scum, which is my problem with a lurker lynch at this point. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:38 zarepath wrote: I just realized that scum could have known that there is no medic. If they were JK'd, preventing the kill, and somebody else role-checked snoman to know that there's a cop, they would have known that there's no medic, allowing warbaby to claim medic. Yeah but then JK could claim now to kill scum because he knows who scum was (town would have announced the RB that saved them) | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:37 warbaby wrote: If Corazon will unvote acid, I'll stop accusing him of doing stupid confusing shit. He accused me of doing stupid confusing shit for voting Acid~, which I probably was. But now he's doing the same thing, and won't back down. That's just weird. I don't actually care who Cora votes for, but someone other than Acid~ would be nice. Pretty sure cora is on you right now | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:53 cakepie wrote: Sn0, you're looking for the most implausible explanations for a simple situation. I think you're all barking up the wrong trees based on perceived poor play, aggressive play, WIFOM, and some OMGUS. You switching off warbaby is guaranteed to be a nett positive outcome: either we catch warbaby lying if he fails to protect you tonight, or we get more use out of your cop pr. Or scum didn't kill night 1 and then somehow we see warbaby as this unlynchable doc when he is scum? Still you tempt me. LAST MINUTE DECISIONS FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU | ||
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Time Cycle: This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark (that is any votes after 17:00 MST (-07:00)) will not count. Currently the deadline is 18:00 MST (-07:00), but that may be subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to the posted time, but not after. (17:59 MST (-07:00) is fine but not 18:00 MST (-07:00)). | ||
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On January 31 2013 10:04 warbaby wrote: Sn0_man Why. We shall see if it counts. FWIW I honestly wanted to swap in time but I guess I didn't type it fast enough. No point posting until the hosts do the night 2 post though. Kinda disappointed to see that nothing has happened in the 20 mins I was away | ||
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Zare Cake Sn0 Acid Cora Slay Glurio Of these, 3 are confirmed town: Me, Cora, Zare (as awkward as that is). Then, Slayalot can *only* be scum if glurio also is (since him being scum means the whole wagon on him was town I assume). Then we have Cake/Glurio (who have minimal contributions to their names) and Acid, whose play was awful right up to ~2hours to lynch yesterday, when he completely changed. The history of those 4 players, their interactions etc is what I will be reviewing today. Keep in mind that at 7 survivors, 6 after NK tonight, 5 after lynch tomorrow, 4 after NK tomorrow, we MUST get a scum in that time or else they win. The only other option is to vote no-lynch tomorrow to reduce it to 5 after 2 NKs but that is only marginally helpful, since It isn't hard to determine the 5 survivors (only 1 will be me/cora/zare, our confirmed town, anyway). | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:31 zarepath wrote: Good list, but bear with me for a second -- what awkwardness do you mean? Most of my confirmed town list spent the last lynch spewing hate and vitriol at each other... | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:35 Sn0_Man wrote: Most of my confirmed town list spent the last lynch spewing hate and vitriol at each other... Plus you and cora still hate each other rofl. | ||
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The worst part of this is how badly we have botched what is IMO the strongest possible town setup. (Currently I'm mad at cora for playing so scummy I had to save his ass plus he is so scummy it makes my claim look dubious... T_T) After poking through filters, Slay says nothing (duh), Glurio says nothing (even less than I thought he did, actually), and Cakepie is pretty new. | ||
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On February 01 2013 01:02 zarepath wrote: Start with the people who voted to kill the medic, obviously. We have votes to analyze, not just filters. Glurio and Slay seem like the most obvious places to start. Cakepie voted for Slay, so if we vote for Slay and he flips scum, we've cleared cakepie. If we vote for Slay and he flips town, then Glurio looks more scummy for being the only unconfirmed town who voted for warbaby. I think lynching Slay is the best way to go at it. You are convinced acid can't be scum? | ||
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If I were scum, I'd avoid having my name associated with the medic lynch. No need to lynch the medic (once he has claimed) since you can just NK him instead from safety. The only reason to lynch the medic is for convenience, but if I were scum I'd rather not blow my cover by swapping votes or casting a hammer vote. This, of course, is assuming both horses in the race were town. If Slay was scum, then obviously they are on the "vote anybody but slay" plan once he becomes a candidate. The primary reason for this is, well, exactly what you just posted. Everybody who voted the medic is suspect, so avoid suspicion at all costs. The difficult part, then becomes making your vote LOOK sensible. Slay did this by voting somebody who town was on, then going completely AFK. Glurio actually justified himself based on me (ouch). Cakepie believed the medic claim (which I guess in hindsight I should have as well) so he voted "the other train". Acid was on some crazy "anything but warbaby" lynch mob, but obviously he was in the right in this case. I admit, that keeps slay looking pretty scummy. I'd still like more content from Cake/Glurio/Slay if possible to look at. | ||
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On February 01 2013 01:22 cakepie wrote: Guys, don't automatically assume that scum will kill the cop claim and leave us with two confirmed townies. I'm playing based off of that assumption. If it changes then I'll be around to change my play, but if it doesn't then my play is justified right now. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:24 cakepie wrote: What do you guys think of as the better alternative, glurio or slayalot? I was willing to get behind warbaby's vote on glurio, but things moved too quickly. (Basis: voting patterns) In any case I am not willing to be on either the cora or warbaby wagons. This post occured shortly after my cop claim. I'd like to highlight it. At this point there were (I think, since we didn't have any votecounts) 4 on warbaby, 3 on Cora, 1 on Slay. Or something similar. Actually, Cakepie may have not voted at all, leaving it at 4-3 at that stage. Either way, I'd like to point out that right about here is where a scum would have done something like "OMFG LOOK AT DAT WARBABY SCUMMY AS HELL LETS VOTE HIM". Not being willing to be on a wagon is very townie. Scum are generally desperate for easy wagons to park their vote on, especially when warbaby and cora are both town. This actually narrows it down to (IMO) 3 possible scum candidates right now: Acid, Glurio and Slay. Now, if Slay is mafia, then so must be glurio (otherwise the votes make no sense, why would acid lynch a scumbuddy when he could totally have hammered WB with ease?. If slay is NOT mafia, then acid and glurio are the scumteam. EITHER WAY, GLURIO IS SCUM. As far as I'm concerned, Glurio is scum. | ||
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On February 01 2013 04:10 cakepie wrote:What is it with all you guys, can't take responsibility for your votes? I'm happy to take responsibility for my vote. I tried to switch last minute but in hindsight I'm not sure I should have tried. Sure, I regret the medic is dead but town FINALLY has some clarity here. If we lynch slayalot (and he wasn't scum) then unless warbaby is NK'd there is still a bunch of confusion in town (IMO). Now its easy. Glurio is scum, since there are 4 candidates, cake is clean, and Acid/Slay is not a scumteam that makes sense. Also, I wish to point out Glurio's hilarious 180 OMGUS on me. Admittedly, I 180'd on him but my read was fairly baseless. | ||
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You might need to figure out a way to explain my votes yesterday before you call me scum though. IF I'm scum, I have 1 (one) scumbuddy. Who is that? First off, I go WAY out of my way to save Corazon (and in the process commit near-suicide if there is a counter-cop claim). So my scumbuddy would be Corazon then right? Okay, so then why do I resist the swap over to slayalot so hard? Scum are happy to swap horses in a 2-town race. Hell, If I'm scum, I take the deal offered me where medic protects me tonight and I (obviously) kill medic with night action (as expected no matter who scum is) and then its down to 6 only I now have this invincible cop claim and *can't* lose. The only way I don't do that is if Slay is my scumbuddy, but then I don't cop claim to save Cora 2 hours earlier. It's bullshit glurio, but I applaud your ability to step up your game. I hadn't expected it of you, but doing it now is a bit of a giveaway that you are feeling threatened as scum. Your entire defense up until now was that... you were incapable of making arguments like this rofl. | ||
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Plus I already showed how it has to be him by logic. Also, I didn't defend you most of the game. Only since the beginning of Day 2 when I got my check back on u. Look before that. | ||
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On February 01 2013 07:42 cDgCorazon wrote: Well Day 2 comprises most of the game because D1 was a bigger penis competition between Acid and WB and we voted a lurker. K say I'm scum. Why do I cop claim to save you? Rofl. Clearly that isn't the case, since YOU know you are town. Now, a cop claim WOULD be safe if the scum role-cop found a JK, but we have already established that the utter lack of JK in this game makes that impossible (plus I'm cop, so we can't have a JK). I wish people would think these things through. Warbaby died to give clarity to this game guys... don't toss that away. | ||
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On February 01 2013 09:05 zarepath wrote: Deadline is in less than an hour, yes? Yeah. In case it isn't clear, my "last will" is that a) cora and zare are both confirmed town, and cakepie is not far behind b) as a result of A, glurio is scum | ||
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I'm checking acid because he's the loose cannon. Glurio *is* scum, acid is unknown, along with slay. I feel like a cleared acid is very powerful, and if hes scum then gg. | ||
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On February 01 2013 11:40 cakepie wrote: For now, we've already heard from glurio during N2, but Slayalot has not posted in 28 hours. So I'm going to start with this and see where it takes us with regard to my two strongest scumreads. ##Vote: Slayalot ##FoS: glurio I heard your reason, but would you consider voting for glurio over Slay? The reason being that for the rest of us, Glurio is 100% scum whereas there is some very small amount of uncertainty over slayalot vs you as his scumbuddy. @cDgCorazon: That "breadcrumb" was straight up awful, but I suppose thanks for the thought? Being alive is nice, although even if I were dead I think you guys have the tools to win at this point. In other news, check out that big quality post by glurio. Daaaaaamn son, coloured letters for my name and everything! Where was all this the first 2 days/nights of the game? Oh thats right you were in hiding as scum -_- I love how the excuse for posting now is "I don't want to lose"... Lets be serious. If you didn't want to lose you would post more day 1/day 2 (as town). If it isn't blatantly obvious by now that you are NOT town, then I don't know what gives. PS: I'm still waiting for anybody to come up with any kind of even remotely comrehendable explanation for my actions being scum. PPS: I'm willing to listen to more discussion re: a no-lynch today. | ||
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Lets assume a no-lynch happens. Who, then, gets NK'ed? Not me or Cora, because either of those prove me right and therefore prove Glurio/Slay scumteam. Not glurio/slay, because those prove me wrong, aka I'm scum, aka I wouldn't make that lynch (unless cake is somehow scum in which case A: LOL B: him and glurio could NK slay to make me look wrong but all that does is give us info). So the only NK's that make sense from any perspective are acid/cake. Neither of those NK's help town determine whether I am really a cop or lying scum. My check that night could be slay or glurio or cake, it makes little or no difference, because the results come down to: DO YOU BELIEVE ME? That question is the entirety of this game right now. BTW you is Acid/Cake/Cora. Slay/Glurio obviously won't believe me. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:51 Slayalot wrote: Hello guys 2 questions 1: Is the "no-lynch" off the table again? (Cause it makes alot of sense. Giving 1 more day to outnumber scum. If I understand correctly) 2: Has Acid been proven town or killed? Or why is no one talking about him? Since the page 1 isn't updated on "spoiler -flips" I don't konw how many are left. Can this either be updated or someone tell me. o_o Acid is alive, and my Cop check on him came back town. So, Still living is: Me (Cop) cDgCorazon (Cop checked as town) Acid (Cop checked as town) cakepie glurio Slayalot (you). | ||
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SkaPunk (Died day 1 as Vanilla Town) Warbaby (Died day 2 as Doctor) zarepath (Died night 2 as Vanilla Town) There was no Night 1 kill as it was (we assume) blocked by warbaby. | ||
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If I could suicide, and my flip would be shown BEFORE LYNCH, I'd do it. However, the fact that it is MYLO means I can't just vote for myself My flip would prove my cop claim and prove the scumteam fairly conclusively (okay it could still be cakepie over slay but I don't think that would be an issue). | ||
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Alright, thanks. No surprise. Anyway, this thread is pretty dead atm... I guess everything that needs saying has been said? Either way... ##Vote: glurio I'd much rather consolidate on glurio than on slay, because of the very slight chance of a glurio/cake scumteam. Cakepie moving your vote to glurio would help assuage my fears on that. | ||
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If I'm lying about the cop claim, then I'm scum (presumably with cora). If I'm telling the truth about the cop claim, then Glurio is scum with either slay or cake. Presumably slay. The game is actually all figured out, but I'm the only person who *knows* I'm cop (except cora has a pretty good idea because I cop-claimed to save him and he knows he's town). There are no other real explanations. Sure, you can "scumhunt" today to see if you believe me or not, but the entire game is solved one way or the other based on everybody's belief of my cop claim. And since there are 4 town 2 scum, I'd rather get 3 people on glurio ASAP so that 1 misled townie can't make a mislynch happen. Lastly, glurio said he is off to a party followed by sleep so don't expect posts from him for a while. | ||
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Those are pretty BS reasons, to be honest. 1) we could have only a medic (it's a possible setup) 2) we could have only a medic (it's a possible setup) 3) I believe the logic is that if I'm scum, so are you. Reason being I cop-claimed for no reason except to save you. | ||
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On February 02 2013 07:37 cakepie wrote: We have 26+ hours to work with here. The game may be solved from your perspective, but I don't see why the rest of us should not spend this available time to find other evidence that would help bolster our confidence that it's glurio being scum with his most likely partner being slayalot. Additionally, like I said already, *I* can narrow it down to glurio and slayalot. The rest of you -- this includes you, Sn0 -- also still have to convince yourselves that the last scum is slayalot rather than me. But slay has given us practically nothing to work with. Suppose we all sit around and thumb ass, and correctly lynch scum glurio correctly. His scumbuddy does not concede, someone dies N3. We go into D4 at 3-1 MYLO again. Why not use the time right now to generate more activity that can only help us with our analysis, both today in D3 and possibly tomorrow? Either I die in that scenario, or I have a cop check to establish the last scum. Its pretty much the same thing to me, but I guess I'm a bit over-fatalistic here. As I said previously, I'd like you to vote for glurio asap (YOU TOO CORA) so that we have the first timestamp on a 3-vote, just in case I can't convince the rest of town (acid). Since, while I'd like consensus, at this point really we have a first-to-three gets lynched scenario. Feel free to keep talking, but I'd like your vote now, not later. And since it is still POSSIBLE for the scumteam to be you and glurio, slayalot really isn't an acceptable lynch for the time being. | ||
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However, its MYLO if you lynch him we lose. So, Do you believe I'm cop? or scum? Decide and we end the game one way or the other. Lynching anybody but glurio or slay is the same as lynching me, so that is the decision here. @cora dont fucking vote yourself retard its mylo. If we lynch you to prove, we lose on the spot. | ||
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On February 03 2013 06:04 Acid~ wrote: You've done nothing this entire game that could even be remotely construed as town-motivated. Thats a pretty big statement. Pretty ad-hominem and tunnel-vision. Please evaluate glurio, then evaluate me, and see who you think is MORE LIKELY to be scum. Then choose. Choosing to lynch cora is choosing to lynch me (and a loss, but you can't know that 100%). | ||
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Immediately post-night 2, glurio comes out swinging because he knows he *has* to discredit me or he loses. He makes more in-depth posts than ever before and they are extremely tunnelled on me (admittedly mine are equally tunnelled on him). After basically blowing his cover (since his previous excuse was basically bad/lazy town), he retreats into hiding hoping the seeds of doubt he has sown blossom and grow. He has flung his shit and has no real content to provide so he resumes lurking. And over the course of this day, instead of clearing stuff up, the rest of town decides that it wants to lynch... Corazon? what is up here? There is no possible way from any perspective that corazon is the right lynch. However, cakepie's obsession with "playing the game" have resulted in more uncertainty and lack of clarity. If you choose to believe that glurio is just a lazy townie, then explain his outburst post-N2, especially how well he grasped my options as cop and how scum could abuse them to make me look scummy. He clearly had spent a ton of time thinking on it and working through the possibilities. Not really consisted with lazy town IMO, but very consistent with lurky scum. I don't know what else to say. There is no playing left for me. I have solved the game, provided as much info to you as possible, and now I await the jury's choice. If you wish to pressure corazon in an attempt to identify him as part of a me-him scumteam, then go ahead, but if that ends up being the case, then lynch me please, since I *must* be part of any scumteam with him on it. I want you guys to know who you are siding with when you make the lynch. | ||
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On February 03 2013 07:24 cakepie wrote: Okay, this is really long. This is what things look like to me through a Sn0+Cora scumteam hypothesis goggles. + Show Spoiler + ========== Day 1 corazon fluff about confirmation bias and meta, and then listing lurkers http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17636349 brief warbaby vs acid happens. Sn0 asserts his belief that both warbaby and acid are trying to take control of town, rather than actually scumhunting http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17641802 warbaby vs Sn0 happens. corazon makes some useless side comments http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17639117 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17642031 and goes back to just listing lurkers http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17642563 and calling out the penis contest http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17643306 Sn0 votes, and leaves http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17646502 His second vote on SkaPunk makes the wagon credible and enables others to wagon on. Both scum and silly townie sheep can easily bandwagon. zare actually sounds like a voice of reason amidst the whole mess http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17644643 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17648807 Night 1 Sn0 soft busses Cora on setup details. Zare makes a case on Cora without relying on the setup error: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17653902 Glurio and and slayalot both cast some WIFOM suspicion toward warbaby. There is some bollocks going on about warbaby looks scummy by association with mocsta meta -- complete bollocks, I am amazed how that was even admissible to anyone. Zare actually speaks sense here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17655668 But Acid makes a late night case against warbaby. What would a Sn0+Cora scumteam do here? glurio and slayalot aren't very active or useful, they are not a threat, and can be manipulated. Acid could be painted as going apeshit all over warbaby, plus he was gone for a good chunk and did not vote. safe to keep around. AFK (later replaced by myself late in N1) was an unknown factor, could be left for later. Zare makes reasonable, sensible arguments. Warbaby also demonstrated that he is a highly active player who will engage and spar with anyone. Kill Zare. He is able to remain calm, and use sound reason. Why not warbaby? because Warbaby looks more likely to be influenceable, and it looks possible to drive a mislynch on him. Role Check Warbaby might have happened or not. Not too important. ========== Day 2 The nightkill fails. Was Zare saved by a doc, or saved by a JK? The day opens with warbaby vs acid. Corazon tries to sound reasonable, but then FoS into warbaby for continued tunnelling When warbaby tries to post reason for others, corazon paints it with emotional appeal: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17658510 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17658553 Sn0 is the first with the setup speculation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17662395 warbaby's post here is telling in hindsight: On January 30 2013 02:04 warbaby wrote: I'd love to discuss what actually happened N1, which I see as a great win for town. Note that there is one variation of the setup that allows for both JK and Doc (if I'm not reading the wiki wrong here -- love to see our authority on math and statistics, Acid~, to contribute on this point, but he's probably won't bother responding to this post, assuming he ever reads it). If the blue is doc, should they claim? I don't think it was clairvoyant that nobody died N1 (and I think you sound like a sadscum by saying this), I think it was just damned lucky. Probably won't happen again, and there's a chance the Doc (if there is one) will be killed before they can do anything more useful. If the doc exists and claims, and scum kills them, we end up with a 100% confirmed town and a no kill on Night 1. Is this good for town? I'm not sure if this makes sense. I haven't put a lot of thought into reasons and possible results around town power role claims. "I made a lucky save. Does it make sense for me to make a claim?" If scumteam realized this, they would have suspected warbaby to be doc. (Or they might have already had a rolecop check) Warbaby makes a side comment about not believing in clairvoyance. Scumteam could read this as a confirmation that "I did not see clearly, I just made a lucky save" Sn0 latches on to the comment on clairvoyance as justification for his vote. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17663135 This is complete bullshit, of course. Zare convinces warbaby with calm reason to try making other cases. You can see why he would comply, since he had zare confirmed town. I appear and mention the fact that JK blocks result in a notification. This is news to Sn0. Scumteam now knows that they were not blocked by JK. He figures out the implications: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17665292 As Acid makes his reappearance, Corazon comes in to offer a polar choice: Lynch either WB or Acid. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17665711 At 26 hours to go, he just wants to mislynch either of the guys who are actively prying around. It is convenient that they tunnel one another. Continuing lack of JK claim or roleblocked claims increases confidence of scumteam that they know the setup http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17665775 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17665787 Acid vs Corazon happens. There is a lot of WIFOM. Zare starts casting some real suspicions against Corazon, backed by a strong read of hypocrisy from Corazon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17673093 Sn0 rushes to dismiss the possibility of a Corazon wagon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17673269 Zare also posts a case on warbaby. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17673310 Sn0 likes this case much better! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17673365 At the same time there is some suspicion cast lightly toward Zare: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17673448 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17674187 Warbaby falls back to a lurker lynch. Gets goaded into making a very ill-advised softclaim. Sn0 presses him for a hard claim. Scum wants blue to out! Unfortunately there is no way out of it. Acid and zare are also pressing for the claim. Glurio's vote adds pressure since he actually looks like might get lynched. Warbay claims at January 31 2013 06:04. zare unvotes, but slaylot votes on. the four votes on warbaby are Acid, Sn0, glurio, Slayalot. Corazon refuses to move onto warbaby. He needs to stay off the wagon for now http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17676374 Sn0 backs him up: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17676429 But then there is actually some momentum toward a Corazon wagon. As momentum builds, Sn0 tries to save Cora again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17676827 It gets to: warbaby (3): Corazon (3): Acid, zarepath, warbaby Corazon shits his pants. There are 8 players, he NEEDS to vote warbaby to bring it to 4, because he has no way of knowing what I would do. Acid points out that Sn0 has been crumbing Cora: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17677383 Except, Acid, those are not breadcrumbs at all. It is only a crumb if Sn0 used steganography in N1 to indicate that he intended to check Cora. This is what real crumbs look like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=73#1460 What happens is that this presents an opening to Sn0 Cora scumteam -- they can try to risk a fakeclaim here to save Cora. It is actually a modersately safe claim, because they are fairly certain that there is no JK. They will risk a possible cop counterclaim, because no one has come out with a cop claim yet, despite the whole day. The bet is this: a cop would know that by claiming, there would be a confirmed doc+cop setup, the strongest setup possible. The game then becomes a simple follow-the cop. With D1+D2 mislynch, N1 nokill, and N2 doc kill, the cop would have 3 confirmed reads (2 from cop checks, one is Zare=town) in a 6 player game on D3. It would be easy! The lack of this makes it quite safe for Sn0 to cop claim. The problem is, he insists on not seeing the simple follow-the-cop for the win. Even if warbaby is scum with doc fakeclaim, we'd have dead cop with a town read on Cora, and a confirmed scum in warbaby.. also EZ-PZ. This is what makes Sn0's failure to switch off warbaby really scummy. Night 2 Cora finds himself in a bad position, so he throws shit at zare: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17679171 We all call him out for it. Sn0+cora worry that if Sn0 stays alive, he will get lynched because town won't believe in a situation that scum does not kill the cop claim. My posts and reasoning leaves them a way out of the situation -- but there does not look like there is enough controversy around Sn0. Only glurio threw some shit at Sn0. So, Cora tries stupid convoluted tricks to give plausibility to the scenario that Sn0 lives. The expected happens: we lose a confirmed town. But Zare points out one important thing On February 01 2013 10:00 zarepath wrote: If Sn0_Man is not killed, I really suggest that you look at his filter, and the thread leading up to his cop claim. He only cop claimed after Cora was under a lot of attack and Acid is the one who suggested that he was breadcrumbing and cop claiming before he actually cop claimed -- and his earlier posts make it seem as though he didn't know the setup blue possibilities despite bieng cop. His breadcrumbs aren't entirely justified. And his late post seems SUPER scummy. The thing is, I can totally see and understand a scum team realizing that if they don't do something, they're pretty much done for, and they ahve to take the 1-in-3 chance (closer to 1-in-2 because there was no evidence of a JK) to cop claim. It wasn't really meditated; Acid kind of just forced him into it (incidentally), and it was worth the risk. And like I already said a couple of times, those aren't even real breadcrumbs. ========== Day 3 Sn0 and Cora won't work with me, shit fest happens. ========== TL;DR: Zare is right about why Sn0's claim looks off. ##Unvote ##Vote: cdgCorazon Read my post above please. Beyond that, I suppose you want some justification of pre-Day2 lynch? I was plenty sure that warbaby was scum, so I had no interest in checking him. Corazon also looked scummy, but I really wasn't sure. I wanted some clarity. The town check surprised me, but I left him alone from there. I still thought he was playing for scum, although he clearly was town. At least he was playing. My vote on warbaby wasn't "justified" by warbaby's clairvoyance comments, it was justified well previously. I had merely left out the actual voting part, so I threw it in there. I still maintain that warbaby was the scummiest player around that was actually playing, and that my vote was legit. The fact that I wished to change it (and failed) is a bit awkward but I have said before that I think we made the right lynch that day. It solved the game. The rest of the game is just 5 townies fighting amongst themselves while 2 scum laugh their asses off in the QT. The other 2 were utter AFK's (skapunk, and your predecessor). If you don't think everybody was hilariously paranoid and wrong, I don't know what is up, but I will point out that it was YOU YOURSELF WHO SAID: On February 01 2013 04:00 cakepie wrote: Look at who among you are willing to come out and make controversial statements and possibly offend people. And look at who is simply content to safely cast weak suspicions all over the place without commitment, sheep opinions that are already expressed by other players, and wagon their vote without justification. 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On February 03 2013 07:35 cakepie wrote: Sn0: Why should I vote you, when your death does not fully confirm Cora scum? I play to win. If cora flips scum, then you must be scum. The reverse is not true, in spite of the association between the two of you. Show us why your cop claim is actually credible, and walk us through your D2 through the eyes of a cop. B-B-B-Bullshit. We already covered this. The scumteam is EITHER glurio +1 OR me +1. Cora, to be scum, has to be MY scumbuddy. Therefore, by lynching him you claim to know a full scumteam. By lynching me, you allow yourself an extra day of scumhunting to nail cora (or any other of my hypothetical scumbuddies, you aren't locked in on that choice). You have used similar logic on me already today. Hence my request: ME OR GLURIO I honestly believe that the easiest way for me to influence town towards the right lynch is to force them into THIS PARTICULAR DECISION, me or glurio. While basically any decision is equivalent (slay vs cora, glurio vs cora, etc), this is the one that I believe is the most likely for town to make correctly. | ||
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On February 03 2013 07:40 cakepie wrote: See, this is the sort of thing I wanted sooner. I'm pretty sure I made these arguments sooner. On February 03 2013 07:40 cakepie wrote: The jury needs convincing. You have to bring other evidence besides a policeman's testimony. Oh really? Glurio runs up and screams "SNO IS SCUM GUYS", uses red text, then disappears. I make reasoned posts and lay the game out for you so that it is as simple as humanly possible. Good thing we wish to ignore the fuck out of me and just believe glurio. You are really pissing me off. | ||
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On February 03 2013 08:09 Acid~ wrote: Why don't you read corazons filter from a neutral perspective. Do you still not understand why we are voting for him? I totally do, thats part of why a) this is annoying and b) I checked him night 1. | ||
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On February 03 2013 12:32 GMarshal wrote: I am sad that I did not get more PMs from townies. T.T all my PM's were blue adviceBTW thanks I didn't want to pm you random thanks cuz I figure your inbox is full enough already | ||
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On February 03 2013 15:29 warbaby wrote: I'd appreciate it if you'd stop calling me bad. I'm not the one that lynched me for ridiculously bad reasons. Not trying to hate, but from my perspective you had a few key scummy points that you may wish to remove from your future play. (that, along with some admittedly awful other reasons, made us lynch you). 1) "emotion hooks". I don't really know what to call this, but in your effort to get town talking, there was a lot of personal stuff that clouded intelligent judgement in favour of emotional perceptions. This is the biggest thing that reminded me of Mocsta, and probably the root of the lynch. 2) Initial Town Claim etc. Again, maybe this is unconventional of me but anybody that tries *that hard* to look townie through direct or near-direct claims looks like they are faking it. Town acts town, Scum claims town. 3) dat medic soft claim. I'm aware you know the issue here, but I had to mention it. To be fair to you, I don't think what you did makes any sense from a scum perspective either but it just sat so wrong. Obviously in hindsight lynching the uncontested medic claim, when we know there isn't a JK (no RB claim) and we also know that the night-kill was blocked, is nothing short of retarded. It did bring a lot of clarity (for me at least). Other Thoughts: I still maintain that scum should have killed me Night 2. Zare/Cora as confirmed town is IMO preferable to 3 confirmed town hinging on a "who is more believable" contest between glurio and I, but I could be wrong. I certainly understood what you did and why you did it. I'd also like to point out that I legitimately tried to change my vote last-second day 2, but I was a hair too late. Cakepie played town like an instrument and I kinda feel like his "newbie refund" is pretty unecessary IMO. I cant exactly judge, but I'd say he can play in the "big leagues". @Cora: I really would have voted for you day 2 if I hadn't night checked you. I'm now too lazy to go through the game for examples, and obviously after everything played out it would have been foolish to lynch you (especially day 3), but day 2 I would have voted you if that was the lynch we decided on. I also mentioned this earlier (I think) but this setup looks ridiculously town favoured, although I'll admit that the medic save working Night 1 is not gonna be that common. And I guess my cop claim was pretty lucky for me (in the end) because scum would have killed me if I hadn't claimed (funnily enough). Either way, most of town played like shit (shoutout to cake who didn't imo) and we still won. It's a shame Slay got modkilled but we basically knew he was scum anyway. I'm interested in hearing the analysis of others. Obs QT had me laughing out loud at times, although it wasn't nearly as long as last game. I'd say I've learned a lot already, and I expect more knowledge bombs to drop from this game so thanks all | ||
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E: nobody came close to getting what I was trying to say. | ||
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On February 05 2013 05:25 Promethelax wrote: thisis pure sheep and while a sheep can be townie this player is trying to look townie. Not be townie. An image is an important thing for scum while it doesn't (usually) occur that a townie tries to protect his townieness early day one. I'd like to highlight this because people disagreed when I said something along the lines of "Overt town claims are scummy to me because town doesn't care about their image, but scum care a LOT about their image and try very hard to burnish it". Heavily paraphrased, but the same idea. | ||
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Everything is also pretty clear when you know the flips before reading the posts >_>. Of course, it certainly is helpful to hear more experienced analysis, but I do think it's important to point out that first-timers get some leeway on the "my post is fluff" scale. | ||
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