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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 31 2013 13:52 GMT
#611
The reason I am so concerned about there being a JK is how incredibly scummy Sn0 and Cora would look without the uncontested cop claim. I don't understand why Corazon would claim that I made him mislynch a claimed medic and consider me the first target after D2, but not the other two people who voted for the claimed medic that aren't confirmed by the cop.

How is glurio not the number one scum read at this point, assuming Sn0/Cora are town? Especially if you ARE Cora, you should assume that the other two people voting for the claimed medic and refusing to switch were scum-motivated. Especially considering that the medic already stole one kill from scum, then they can get a free cop at night... why wouldn't they ensure the medic kill?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 31 2013 13:54 GMT
#612
On January 31 2013 14:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 14:42 Acid~ wrote:
Again, you're the only one responsible for your own vote and "doing anything not to die" is not the way to play a town game. Stop playing the victim and do some actual scumhunting.

Again, Zare is confirmed town now that we know warbaby was telling the truth, so get off his case and find a real scum to lynch for tomorrow.


I'm pretty sure I've done more scumhunting than you have. You've been sitting on your butt for 100% of D1 and 98% of D2.

I wasn't going to let Zare get away with blaming me for WB's death. That's why I made the rebuttal.


When did I blame you for WB's death? You certainly have to take some blame for it, of course. But I don't see it as a scum tell because you're cop-confirmed.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 31 2013 13:57 GMT
#613
On January 31 2013 14:05 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm sorry Zare, but this post of yours disturbs me.

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote:
Glurio looks scummiest right now -- I have no idea why Cora and Sn0 parked their votes thusly, but Glurio isn't "confirmed town" by Sn0's uncontested cop claim.



I'm referring to how Cora and Sn0 are "confirmed town" by Sn0's uncontested cop claim, but Glurio ISN'T. I am still not entirely certain about Sn0's cop claim, but if you assume its truth, then Glurio looks the scummiest. It's pretty straightforward.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 31 2013 15:29 GMT
#616
On January 31 2013 14:05 cDgCorazon wrote:
Basically, this case is all speculation and WIFOM. He believes that because I thought he was being a good town, I decided to kill him. He goes on to say that I cause Warbaby to think that Zarepath was a good town target.

The first problem is here. If I am scum and secretly thought that Zarepath was a good town, I would not have said it out loud. He's basically saying that I was trying to attack the doctor to attack Zarepath, and then attack Zarepath. That is such a stupid strategy that there's no way it could have worked. He's assuming I'm bad scum, which is absolutely stupid.

He goes on to say that I was trying to get everyone to lynch Warbaby. If that was so, why did I not vote for WB over Acid in the first place? It's just more speculation and confirmation bias.


Others have addressed the oddity of your focus, but I will address your concerns.

I did not believe that because you thought I was being good town, you decided to kill me. My case was that after FAILING to kill me, you went out of your way to soft town read me so that whoever saved me would not think you're scum.

I wasn't saying that you were trying to attack the doctor to attack me; I was saying that scum would always want to attack the doctor to attack ANYONE. It's not about me; it's about what I think scum would do.

If scum wanted everyone to mislynch a medic, it would be better for them to not be the first person to vote for them. Ideally, for scum, they bring up the idea and everyone else votes for it, and they manage to avoid all responsibility for the mislynch. This is how I read your interactions with warbaby -- riling him up, mocking him, but then claiming he's bad town but still not objecting strongly when others wanted to lynch him.

I can understand how my points may have come off differently in the chaos of last night -- I was typing with my son on my lap and didn't really present much nuance or structure to my arguments. But I think you've misconceived my arguments and wanted to set it straight.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 31 2013 15:31 GMT
#617
On February 01 2013 00:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
Of these, 3 are confirmed town: Me, Cora, Zare (as awkward as that is).


Good list, but bear with me for a second -- what awkwardness do you mean?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 31 2013 16:02 GMT
#621
Start with the people who voted to kill the medic, obviously. We have votes to analyze, not just filters.

Glurio and Slay seem like the most obvious places to start. Cakepie voted for Slay, so if we vote for Slay and he flips scum, we've cleared cakepie. If we vote for Slay and he flips town, then Glurio looks more scummy for being the only unconfirmed town who voted for warbaby.

I think lynching Slay is the best way to go at it.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 31 2013 16:24 GMT
#624
Nope, but I think there had to have been scum voting for the confirmed medic. Why not start there? Acid was voting against lynching the medic and tried to persuade you away from it. Doesn't seem too scummy.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 01 2013 00:05 GMT
#642
Deadline is in less than an hour, yes?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 01 2013 00:57 GMT
#646
This is a test.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 01 2013 01:00 GMT
#648
If Sn0_Man is not killed, I really suggest that you look at his filter, and the thread leading up to his cop claim. He only cop claimed after Cora was under a lot of attack and Acid is the one who suggested that he was breadcrumbing and cop claiming before he actually cop claimed -- and his earlier posts make it seem as though he didn't know the setup blue possibilities despite bieng cop. His breadcrumbs aren't entirely justified.

And his late post seems SUPER scummy. The thing is, I can totally see and understand a scum team realizing that if they don't do something, they're pretty much done for, and they ahve to take the 1-in-3 chance (closer to 1-in-2 because there was no evidence of a JK) to cop claim. It wasn't really meditated; Acid kind of just forced him into it (incidentally), and it was worth the risk.

It's possible you should no-lynch tomorrow so you have the time to MAKE Sn0 either make two reads, or be lynched again by scum and still be in a good spot.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 01 2013 01:07 GMT
#653
GEEEEEEEEE GEEEEEEEEEE

Thanks for the craziness, have fun, and good luck!
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 03 2013 03:16 GMT
#772
GG friends Cakepie, so glad you replaced. I would've WIFOM'd into a conspiracy lynch on Sn0_Man, I'm sure of it.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 04 2013 16:30 GMT
#818
Thanks for all of the analysis, everyone. I think I may have learned more from this game than my other newbie games, to be honest.

And Cora, sorry about the crappy WIFOM case. Honestly I think the main reason I continued to suspect you was because you switched your vote onto the medic claim. But even after all that, glurio and Slay should've looked WAY scummier to me.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
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