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Corazon, nobody but you, SkaPunk, Slayalot and Sn0man and myself have been posting for the last 13 hours. If you go back 18 hours, you could include glurio and Acid, whom I both responded to. SlayAlot and Sn0man both posted implying I could be scum, so I focused on responding to them.
SkaPunk has posted basically nothing, as Sn0man pointed out. You have posted useful lists of lurkers that I'd also love to see contribute. But there's not a lot one can say in response to a list of lurkers or a single sentence post that was called out by someone else already.
Implying I've been tunneling people is not accurate. I've responded to or commented on everyone who posted anything of substance in the thread, as of now.
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In response to your two posts that weren't lists, Corazon, I agree. Confirmation bias is bad and using meta is iffy at best, especially in a newbie game. Thank you for these contributions.
Unless anyone has any questions for me, I'll try to shut up for a while.
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On January 27 2013 21:17 zarepath wrote: Don't "shut up for a while." That's not town-motivated. Think about who else you'd like to pressure. If you shut up every time somebody criticizes you for pressuring them, that's not going to go super well.
Great point. I'm offering to cool my jets (for now) because I think sn0man has a legitimate complaint about controlling town. I totally don't agree with sn0man that scum hunting D1 is "rich", though. Would he prefer scum get a free pass D1? I would like others' take on this. Maybe there's someone else that sn0man would allow to scumhunt, without accusing them of being a Mocsta doppelganger?
I didn't forget about you. You were manner enough to explain why your contributions were going to be thin D1. And the posts you are making are good.
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Also, I'm with Glurio.
##Vote: SkaPunk
SkaPunk has demonstrated that he is in fact capable of using the post box. Maybe if we pressure him some more, he'll actually contribute.
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Don't forget about abenson. I will be around for lynch, so my vote is by no means permanent.
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On January 28 2013 03:59 cDgCorazon wrote: I'll cover that base WB.
##Vote: Abenson
If these are the three mafia their coach must be ridiculously annoyed.
I will certainly not be annoyed if we lynch a lurker and they flip scum. I don't think this will happen D1 though, due to the scum team's information advantage. Going by statistics it's most probable one of the 3 lurkers is scum, if one assumes lurkers are evenly distributed.
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I'm considering switching my vote to AFKing or abenson. SkaPunk did at least post once. And it appears that the idea of pressuring him into posting more is not working, so far.
I will be so happy if SkaPunk, AFKing, or abenson would post something. You could pick something someone said, that you agree or disagree with, and add a few sentences explaining why you feel that way. I promise I won't attack you (at least not today, and not at all if your posts are good).
On January 28 2013 05:08 cDgCorazon wrote: Well there's a 1/3rd chance that we lynch the right player if we LAL today. So there's not much to lose on a lurker lynch.
I really hope that all three of them aren't mafia, because if they do not vote and get modkilled (I hope I'm not breaking a rule by saying that) there are some scary players waiting in the replacement section if they're all mafia.
Just theorycrafting. Hosts let me know if I broke any rules by speculating about it.
There is a 1/3rd chance, if you assume scum is evenly distributed among the lurkers. I'm not sure this is a totally valid assumption, although it probably makes more sense than all of the lurkers being scum.
Who are the replacements? The only one I could find is cakepie.
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##Unvote: SkaPunk ##Vote: abenson
By glurio's metric, we should lynch scum, then scummy lurkers, then lurkers. If SkaPunk's single post was a scum trying to blend in then he's the worst scum ever. My (very weak) read on him is that he's town, but playing with extremely little effort so far. Pressure is apparently not getting a rise from him. Maybe he's not reading the thread, but one would really expect scum to put up some kind of defense when they're 2 hours (is that right?) from being lynched. So I'm going to vote for an actual 100% lurker.
I like that Corazon didn't vote for SkaPunk. If Cora was scum, there's a chance he would have just bandwagoned SkaPunk right off the bat. So I'm voting with Cora. The same applies to Zarepath, but Zare's been less active than Cora so I feel it's a bit riskier voting with Zare (in case AFKing suddenly steps up his game).
Speaking of pressuring people to get a rise from them, what the heck happened to Acid~? He defended himself from my bullshit aggression, then ignored Zare's question about LAL and peaced out.
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##Unvote: abenson/glurio ##Vote: AFKing
Zare you do have a point. SkaPunk's still going to be lynched as it is, though.
I don't think Cora being unsure about the rules was odd. The rules state "Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game." but don't mention discussing replacements. Anyway, I won't argue with stutter's request to not discuss this stuff.
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Acid~ made one post out of three that was characteristic of his normal play, and his final lack of action is very surprising. I think this is important.
Sn0man and SlayAlot didn't waste much time voting for SkaPunk after I did. SlayAlot called me out for over aggression one minute before Sn0man called me out for playing like scum Mocsta and claiming town. Does anybody think these sequences of events are important?
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Well, I disagreed with Sn0 that claiming town is "really scummy WB, really scummy". IIRC you actually backed me up on my assertion that claiming town is a null point, Corazon. Breaking the rules is scummy, and I can only take the stupid newbie defense on that.
I pressured him because I felt that he was trying to discourage scumhunting (with the statement that scumhunting D1 is "rich"). I'm a little disappointed nobody else commented on this. I don't think he's addressed all of my concerns, but he does at least claim to not be discouraging scumhunting, and backed off trying to frame me as Mocsta in XXXV (for now at least).
You're right, that I didn't respond to your posts during my spat with Sn0. I even overlooked them later when we were discussing tunelling at the top of page 8. I felt like you were backing me up, and me just agreeing with you wouldn't really mean anything.
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EBWOP: remove "You're right, that". I'm getting tired, and for some reason I mixed up what you said in your last post with our top-o-page 8 discussion.
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I explained both of my votes in detail when I made them. If you want I can quote my own posts, glurio, but I'd rather not repeat myself. I didn't change my vote back to SkaPunk after the abenson revelation because I still didn't think I was going to get anywhere pressuring SkaPunk, and I wanted to see if it might work on AFKing.
Basically, I was voting lurkers to try to pressure them into contributing, falling back on the assumption that lynching someone who failed to contribute D1 would't be the worst possible result for town.
Since it might not be obvious: It's not my fault abenson was still listed as a player in the OP 41.5 hours into D1. I would have never voted for abenson if I had known he wasn't playing the whole time.
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Glurio, you failed to list Zare's vote, and the fact that Cora was also forced to unvote abenson. I'm not offering this as reasoning for my own votes, I just find it noteworthy that you edited out certain events from your summary.
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EBWOP: nevermind, I see now that you mentioned Zare's vote. I'm going to bed now, it's clearly too late for me to be posting coherently. Good night.
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That's a good point about the setup Sn0. I didn't catch this when I was discussing it with Cora. Thank you for pointing it out.
I'm not sure what I could say in a last will that wouldn't just be repeating myself. If I am night killed, you should look at the two people I've had any serious debate with. But that should be obvious, right?
I'd like to see contributions from Slayalot and Zarepath as well. They both made a few good posts D1. I'm especially looking forward to Zarepath stepping it up, since he should now be free from his IRL obligations.
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I dunno Sn0, if scum is in such a great position as Cora seems to think, they could kill one of the less active towns and still be completely dominating.
I think the more interesting point will be who doesn't get NK'd out of that list. I simply cannot believe both of the scum are lurkers.
On January 28 2013 23:45 cDgCorazon wrote:This is sad, and it makes me believe that a majority of the 6 semi-active people in this game are scum. That kind of defeatist attitude doesn't help town one bit.
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That was an awesome post Zare. I will review the thread with what you've said in mind.
On January 29 2013 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:I had noticed that Abenson was in fact glurio
How could you possibly have known this? Before stutter's PSA, there was not a single post in the entire thread indicating that abenson was glurio. Did someone tell you in the scum QT?
And if you did know this as you claim, why the fuck didn't you point it out as soon as Corazon voted for abenson? Ambiguity like this is only going to hurt town, if you're town you should be trying to clear stuff like this up, ASAP. Not pulling it out 12 hours later like it's evidence in a case.
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Sorry, you're right. I'll go re-read the thread now.
However, even given your point, I do not think my accusation are baseless at all. I'd still love to know how sn0man knew abenson was glurio. And why he didn't bring this up in the thread before he left.
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