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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 17 2013 21:50 GMT
#1221
thrawn, I'm guessing you're going to vote for Sloosh? Please reconsider. They can't both be scum (I seriously doubt there would be only 2 wagons in that case...) and just comparing Hopeless/Sloosh, not comparing any possible complete scumteams (that's pretty useless at this point), Hopeless is more likely scum. In addition, Sloosh promised to share his reads soon, but Hopeless has done nothing to that effect (basically he's just lurking and denying information).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 17 2013 21:54 GMT
#1222
hmm
WBG
hopeywopey or yummuslooshieslushy?
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2013 21:57 GMT
#1223
On January 18 2013 06:50 Xatalos wrote:
thrawn, I'm guessing you're going to vote for Sloosh? Please reconsider. They can't both be scum (I seriously doubt there would be only 2 wagons in that case...) and just comparing Hopeless/Sloosh, not comparing any possible complete scumteams (that's pretty useless at this point), Hopeless is more likely scum. In addition, Sloosh promised to share his reads soon, but Hopeless has done nothing to that effect (basically he's just lurking and denying information).


how his sloosh promising to share his reads any better than hopeless not being around? and hopeless has more than done his part as far as sharing his reads go. sloosh came in while I was pushing LM and said nothing relevant to our conversation. as you are doing. sloosh may have posted more recently but there was nothing constructive in his post

what do you think about lazermonkey?


"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2013 21:59 GMT
#1224
*how is sloosh
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 21:59 GMT
#1225
On January 18 2013 06:54 grush57 wrote:
hmm
WBG
hopeywopey or yummuslooshieslushy?


so according to you, I am scum, but you are asking me this in order to place your vote?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 17 2013 22:06 GMT
#1226
On January 18 2013 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 06:50 Xatalos wrote:
thrawn, I'm guessing you're going to vote for Sloosh? Please reconsider. They can't both be scum (I seriously doubt there would be only 2 wagons in that case...) and just comparing Hopeless/Sloosh, not comparing any possible complete scumteams (that's pretty useless at this point), Hopeless is more likely scum. In addition, Sloosh promised to share his reads soon, but Hopeless has done nothing to that effect (basically he's just lurking and denying information).


how his sloosh promising to share his reads any better than hopeless not being around? and hopeless has more than done his part as far as sharing his reads go. sloosh came in while I was pushing LM and said nothing relevant to our conversation. as you are doing. sloosh may have posted more recently but there was nothing constructive in his post

what do you think about lazermonkey?



My read on Lazermonkey hasn't really changed much since I posted this:

On January 15 2013 05:31 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 04:47 Promethelax wrote:
On January 15 2013 04:42 Xatalos wrote:
On January 15 2013 04:29 Promethelax wrote:
wow, seriously, those are your reads? Terrible.

You said that you had not read the thread while simultaneously building a case on someone who had just been cased and calling him the scummiest person in the thread. That is deeply troubling and very scummy.

There is nothing you have done in this game that makes you feel like a townie. This is a big problem for me since in LVIII I had had you down as quite green thank you so very much.

Your case on jay is weak and in many ways I feel the Chezinu rule applies to him. He is such a weak player that someone making him their main target (if he is town) is very likely to be scum.


I agree that his sheep vote on supersoft was scummy, but that's pretty much the only thing. There are many reasons for him to be town though:

- Kush's attention-grabbing entrance to the thread
- Kush's overall anti-town and scummy behaviour - suicidal for any actual scum
- Lazermonkey has been very active and made sense even under heavy pressure

That last argument is just WIFOM as well.


Those points you have for Kush are great. If it wasn't Kush. Did you read WC? Or any of his scum games? Many of us have while you haven't and I know you probably don't like being told you don't know what you are talking about but you have no idea what you are talking about. Kush plays that way as either alignment.

LM has made sense? What does that even mean. You agree with his case on jay? You think SS is scum and Thrawn town? You deeply believe that hopeless is retarded? Please explain this.


I read the beginning of Kush's filter in Witchcraft. I have to agree that Kush isn't afraid of attention as scum either. BUT there's a big difference: in Witchcraft Kush is pretty reasonable and doesn't actually play anti-town at all. At least I'm not seeing it. Here he begins the game by grabbing negative attention and setting himself up for a lynch (or at least losing sympathy points). He also keeps doing anti-town/scummy things, while in Witchcraft he keeps discussing reasonably and doesn't slip anything scummy-looking. Or can you show me wrong?

I agree with Lazermonkey on Jay and Thrawn. I disagree on supersoft and Hopeless. You can read what I think of them in my filter. What I meant is that he doesn't freak out, OMGUS, dodge questions or anything like that. He is calm and makes sense even in such a bad spot.


The discussion has focused on his "scumslips" today, but focusing on that is pretty stupid. The first one wasn't even anything scummy (just some stupid confusion) and the second one ("I haven't been posting because I'm not in danger of being lynched") looks pretty bad on the surface, but WHY would scum say something like that? It's just too stupid, and scum would think more carefully before saying something to bring unnecessary suspicion to themselves.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 17 2013 22:08 GMT
#1227
btw I just realized I sucked at counting time in the last votecount. Should have been "2.5 hours". editted it.

Deadline is as intended, 00:00 GMT (+00:00), so 1 hour 52 minutes from this post.
Sorry 'bout that.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2013 22:08 GMT
#1228
you don't have a real read on him do you?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 17 2013 22:09 GMT
#1229
On January 18 2013 07:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
you don't have a real read on him do you?


Wut...? I've had him as townread since early D1. Have you even actually taken a look at my filter?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 17 2013 22:11 GMT
#1230
But talking about Lazermonkey is pretty much off-topic right now. thrawn, why not Hopeless?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 17 2013 22:13 GMT
#1231
Ugh, I have to go sleep though I'm dead tired anyway and if I don't get some sleep now I'm going to fall asleep at work.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2013 22:13 GMT
#1232
On January 18 2013 07:09 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 07:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
you don't have a real read on him do you?


Wut...? I've had him as townread since early D1. Have you even actually taken a look at my filter?


In that post you quoted concerning your earlier read on LM, it's nothing buta meta read on kush and tells me nothing of what you actually think about the stuff LM has done.

And for your comments on what he's done since N1, you only gave "too scummy to be scum" arguments.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2013 22:26 GMT
#1233
On January 18 2013 07:11 Xatalos wrote:
But talking about Lazermonkey is pretty much off-topic right now. thrawn, why not Hopeless?


few things about hopeless that make me not want to vote for him:

his exchange with hapa about why either of them voted for ruuch.

hopeless was making much more sense, and actually made me more suspicious of hapa. hapa was the one who abandoned his scumread (prom) to vote for ruuch. hopeless was voting for ruuch because ruuch wasn't prom, who hopeless had made it clear he didn't want to get lynch. yet hapa is calling out hopeless for what reason?

also the hopeless wagon was/is scummy as hell. first there was wbg+sloosh calling each other scum, then all the sudden there are 4 votes for hopeless including wbg and sloosh. there is no way I'm getting on that wagon.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 17 2013 22:31 GMT
#1234
Okay, I'm back. Isn't the lynch in 01.00 AM CET? That is what it says on front page at least.
On January 18 2013 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm inclined to believe LM on his read of Hopeless because I do actually remember him saying that Hopeless played like this last game.

I do also recall that Hopeless played somewhat similarly to this in another game as well, but I'm not quite sure what to think of it, given that I think he was playing like that because of lack of time. He seemed to not be willing to comment on much and he wasn't around at all, but he was town.

LM what do you think of Xatalos attacking me?
I think his case is quite bad. The attack itself however could be seen as a slight town tell maybe as I'm less inclined to belive that scum would attack one of the strongest players rather than focusing on easier misslynches so to speak. However, I think it's a quite small point and it comes down alot to WIFOM as we can only specualte on which targets scum would push. In contrast to what he has done so far he still looks scummy to me.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 17 2013 22:32 GMT
#1235
EBWOP: missed host post : /
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:35 GMT
#1236
the problem with hopeless is that he seems very aloof, and he doesn't seem to have any real reads.

Around lynch day 1 he claimed to have a town read on Prom but didn't do anything to save him other than join the last minute Ruuch bandwagon.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:38 GMT
#1237
also note that neither of them are around right now.

I know Prom wasn't around either but he actually said in thread that he'd be at work before leaving. (something I had missed earlier) Neither slOosh nor Hopeless have taken an active role in either

a.) defending themselves

or

b.) trying to find scum.

This is, IMO, pretty uncharacteristic of BOTH of their town games. slOosh as town is one of the better players in the game, and I know from cohosting with Hopeless and playing with him in past games that he sometimes has similar ideas to me when it comes to scumhunting and playing. So why are they both playing so out of character?

I AM glad, though, that we were able to get the vote so close. Even if we lynch wrongly today the votes and the changes should at least give a better idea of how to proceed.

thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2013 22:39 GMT
#1238
my memories of playing with town hopeless is that I yell at him a lot for not scumhunting.

imo LM is such obvious scum, idk how people aren't voting for him. Prom was lynched instead of Lazer (i'm not counting any votes that happened after ruuch's entrance) and LM had 2 confirmed town (sloosh and prom) voting for him. lets lynch LM please
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
January 17 2013 22:40 GMT
#1239
On January 18 2013 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
also note that neither of them are around right now.

I know Prom wasn't around either but he actually said in thread that he'd be at work before leaving. (something I had missed earlier) Neither slOosh nor Hopeless have taken an active role in either

a.) defending themselves

or

b.) trying to find scum.

This is, IMO, pretty uncharacteristic of BOTH of their town games. slOosh as town is one of the better players in the game, and I know from cohosting with Hopeless and playing with him in past games that he sometimes has similar ideas to me when it comes to scumhunting and playing. So why are they both playing so out of character?

I AM glad, though, that we were able to get the vote so close. Even if we lynch wrongly today the votes and the changes should at least give a better idea of how to proceed.


from the hopeless point of view i can confirm this to be correct.

He screamed for better or worse in the mario mini near the deadline.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
January 17 2013 22:41 GMT
#1240
On January 18 2013 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
my memories of playing with town hopeless is that I yell at him a lot for not scumhunting.

imo LM is such obvious scum, idk how people aren't voting for him. Prom was lynched instead of Lazer (i'm not counting any votes that happened after ruuch's entrance) and LM had 2 confirmed town (sloosh and prom) voting for him. lets lynch LM please

but he does take initiative in who's getting lynched. look at the end of day 1 in mario.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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