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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2013 22:51 GMT
#1261
On January 18 2013 07:49 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 07:48 iamperfection wrote:
On January 18 2013 07:47 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 18 2013 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 18 2013 07:44 Lazermonkey wrote:
Like seriously, what are the odds?


what are you talking about? you did the same thing several hours ago. do you want to lynch hopeless instead of sloosh? if not then what is your point?
You do realize BOTH hopeless and SlOosh came back the EXACT same minute?

do you have a point?
Of course not... I just found it funny!


lynch this guy
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 17 2013 22:52 GMT
#1262
oh yeah hopeless unvoted
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 17 2013 22:55 GMT
#1263
Oh what the heck?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:55 GMT
#1264
LOL the scum is surprised
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 17 2013 22:56 GMT
#1265
On January 18 2013 07:55 slOosh wrote:
Oh what the heck?

You were working on a bunch of reads correct?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 22:59 GMT
#1266
grush would you switch to hopeless if I told you to?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 17 2013 23:10 GMT
#1267
Votecount:

slOosh (5): jaybrundage, MrZentor, grush57, Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo
Hopeless1der (4): Hapahauli, slOosh, iamperfection, Xatalos
Lazermonkey (2): thrawn, Hopeless1der

Currently, slOosh is set to be lynched!
50 minutes until deadline.

A backwards poet writes inverse.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 17 2013 23:17 GMT
#1268
Looks like we still set for a SlOosh lynch. I would still love to see your reads sloosh.

Also just so you guys know my internet got cut off cause i was spiting it with my neighbor and he got behind on payments. So right now I'm at McDonald's lol. I'll stick around here till the day post goes thru. So if you got any questions for me plz give them to me now. As my presence in the thread will drop alot
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 17 2013 23:17 GMT
#1269
Sloosh, how bout dem reads?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 17 2013 23:18 GMT
#1270
why is this taking so long sloosh?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 17 2013 23:22 GMT
#1271
Because I never carry notes and I have to go searching for filters. It's coming.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 17 2013 23:22 GMT
#1272
quicker


##unvote
## Vote Sloosh
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 17 2013 23:22 GMT
#1273
On January 18 2013 08:22 slOosh wrote:
Because I never carry notes and I have to go searching for filters. It's coming.

ill be here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 23:30 GMT
#1274
I'm just going to leave these two links here.

Take about 10-12 minutes if you're curious, skim through them both.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&user=53783&currentpage=All

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=53783&currentpage=All
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 17 2013 23:35 GMT
#1275
On January 18 2013 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm just going to leave these two links here.

Take about 10-12 minutes if you're curious, skim through them both.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&user=53783&currentpage=All

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=53783&currentpage=All

I am assuming that one is his town play and one is his scum play. Which one is which
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 17 2013 23:35 GMT
#1276
Final Reads

This isn't a comprehensive list because last time I was mislynched I felt pressured to give out reads to survive, and ended up thinking really poorly and making really bad cases.

Spoilered is GMarshal's post game commentary of my play.
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 15 2012 23:15 GMarshal wrote:
3.) slOosh - Tunnel less, the battle between you and VE is a pretty clear indicator of two townies arguing to death. Had you just taken a step back and looked at it coldly, you would have seen the people who avoided involvment and edged you on, and been able to kill mafia, instead your stubbornness resulted in your lynch. Still, you were active and open with your opinions, while your misslynch sucked, its not entirely your fault. Your reads were all over the place (and your overly complex theory about D77 being mafia is in line with the kind of stuff overly paranoid townies concoct), which is meh, your case on prpl was good though, you should have stuck with just it day 3 rather than going on tangents all over the place. Not terrible play, but I know you can do better. Remember, go one scum at a time, and *always* take a step back to reconsider a few hours before a lynch. 5/10 Not terrible by any means, also not one of your best games.



thrawn2112
I have pegged as a poor town player. Objectively he looks into things that aren't really there. However he is consistent and you can understandably see how his reads were influenced by supersoft.

Xatalos
Yes. This is blue. I've already pointed it out but his play this game does not match either his town or scum play. It is much more reserved and cautious. At some point I figured that I've confused red for blue, and tried to back out without giving it away. His pursuit of me is very townie as he would no doubt be suspicious, and his case on WBG shows he isn't blending in with the temperature of the thread but going directly against it.

So why am I outing him? Because I find his mislynch a high possibility and the way that town is going, I don't think he can aptly defend himself. Reducing mislynch candidates is very important given that there are so many and scum can just shift it away from their buddies. In any case I could be totally wrong so scum have to gamble a shot on him.

Here is my pseudo "I found you crumb". I didn't know how to do it without being blatant so I worked with the mason (pumpkin) flavor.
On January 15 2013 08:14 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 07:48 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm. I can accept that you're focusing on Prom now, close to the lynch, but why did you totally ignore me earlier in the day after you made your case on me? Even though I responded to your case and questioned you about that? It just feels weird that you would drop any interest you had in your #1 scumread after making a new case. Were you even serious about that case on me?

My time is limited and I wanted to pursue some other reads. Prom's one ended up more fruitful. I really don't know how to get more specific than that - it's a playstyle thing.


wherebugsgo
I've already pointed out the numerous times he has made up reasons to switch off hopeless even though he agrees with Hapa's case. In the back and forth between us, I call out where he uses the Prom mislynch to push my lynch, which he has never addressed even though I requoted myself multiple times.

On January 16 2013 12:18 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 16 2013 12:05 slOosh wrote:
On January 16 2013 09:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
auto townread = I almost didn't bother carefully reading their posts.

One thing I kept in my head about slOosh was that he had two pushes, Prom and Xatalos. He dropped Xatalos rather quickly and outside of those two players he has had no comments on anything. His push on Prom was also pretty bad.

There has to be a reason super died. Super was the only person who had a public scumread on slOosh. Outside of that he called Lazer scum and he called Zentor scum.

I think slOosh needs to do something though, because if you haven't noticed, he's been laying a bit lower than what I'd feel if he were town.

This is scummy too and you have to read carefully so he doesn't pull a fast one on you.

The first sentence says my push on Prom was pretty bad. Well if it was really clear that Prom was town, why didn't he care that he was being lynched? Why did he put no effort in taking people off the mislynch? In fact, MrZentor accused him from defending Prom, and WBG retorted with confidence he had never called Prom town.
On January 15 2013 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 15 2013 07:24 MrZentor wrote:
Hey WBG, you talked about nobody being worthy enough to be defended by you, but you've been defending Prom pretty hard all game.

Can you explain?


given that you haven't read the thread, this is a pretty empty accusation.

Find an instance where I called Prom town. I can guarantee you that you will not find it even without going back into my filter.

The only two players that I have really defended this game (if you can even call it that) are jay and super.

On January 15 2013 08:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Why does prom not care about getting lynched?

This whole thing bothers me

No where does he ever explain his town read on Prom, nor did he indicate that he had one. But he wants to pin this mislynch on me, even though he did nothing at the time when it was happening.

The second sentence is total WIFOM. Only scum know why they shot super, and an equally plausible explanation is that scum shot super in order to push a slOosh mislynch. It is a terrible reason to lynch someone as scum can use it for that exact reason.

No actual reasons for lynching me.


your push on Prom WAS bad.

I left Prom alone because I wanted him to defend himself. I even said myself that I didn't plan on defending anyone. That's why I said it was bothersome that Prom wasn't defending himself. I found it strange in light of the fact that I had a town read of him-it made my confidence waver.

The whole Zentor crap was simply me stopping him from misrepresenting my play. If I wanted to defend Prom I would have, but I wanted to see his response to the case, and I wanted to see what others would do without me stepping in.

Why was my push on Prom bad, and how is that equivalent to scummy?


He doesn't actually come to honest discussion but dismisses everything I say, calling it bad without actually showing why it is bad. My personality is very laid back / passive, so of course the impression that people seem to be taking away is WBG cornering a pressured slOosh. But if you honestly read the dialogue between us, it is like he set up his mind that I am scum before the bulk of the information came. He doesn't use the posts to draw conclusions, he already sets one up and proceeds to place all proceeding posts into that conclusion.

grush accurately points out that WBG has called near everyone scum at one point or another. You can see in his general playstyle that he calls everyone scum and then is free to pursue whatever he wants. It gives the illusion of scumhunting when in fact you don't see him making that many hard stances.

How town should proceed tomorrow
Keep WBG accountable for his reads. He stated that he agrees with Hapa that hopeless is scum. My flip doesn't change doesn't have any bearing on hopeless' alignment since the case is totally independent of that. He didn't do crap when Prom was getting lynched and I can guarantee tomorrow he is gonna find some reason to vote someone else, despite that the case still stands.

The people who view hopeless as town should hold him to an incredibly high standard because if he is town he has the unique perspective of knowing that it was a town vs town mislynch - and realize that as he doesn't really come up with much that he is scum.

Someone should definitely keep an eye out on Hapa. His questions are skewed, assuming a scummy interpretation, and it's pretty hard to point out / call. Like this post here: is it malicious or innocent interpretation? I'm not too sure but I had to correct him, and people started interpreting things how he did.
On January 13 2013 15:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Also SloOsh, is the reason you think supersoft is scum only because of association, or is there something else?

I don't like his case on MrZ, but I'm unsure if that's scum motivated or ignorant-townie motivated.

He defends MrZentor on pure meta even though he hasn't really done anything worth defending. If you need town meta to explain your scummy actions then you are playing wrong.

On that note grush and MrZentor need to be pressured, but after resolving the hopeless case.

I think that's all from me. I still think town can pull this off, just the townies need to get their act together and read into motives.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#1277
Note:

no read on hopeless.

rofl
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#1278
the excuse is probably in the first line, that the list is not comprehensive.

Whatever, it's still bollocks (I am not scum, for example, and who the fuck would out a blue as a townie?)
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 17 2013 23:39 GMT
#1279
On January 18 2013 08:35 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm just going to leave these two links here.

Take about 10-12 minutes if you're curious, skim through them both.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&user=53783&currentpage=All

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=53783&currentpage=All

I am assuming that one is his town play and one is his scum play. Which one is which

First is SK play, second is scum.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 17 2013 23:39 GMT
#1280
On January 18 2013 08:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Note:

no read on hopeless.

rofl

its in there, just not outlined. It basically says I'm a lazy piece of shit and need to step up my game if he flips town and I'm also town.
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