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@Mocsta: 1. Scum > Scummy Lurker > Lurker > No-Lynch. Lynching scummy players always go first, this is a no-brainer. The rest is logical too. I don't like no-lynching. 2. Whatever. It's great that you want to start discussion by questioning everyone on everything, but a bit more statements from you, instead of questions to others would be appreciated. @bringaniga: Your play is annoying, aggravating, and idiotic. It sounds highly aggressive (which isn't a problem per se, but still hard to adapt in a newbie game). At least explain your reasons why you play this way, and start to actually contribute something instead of teasing and then pulling out. @Oatsmaster: In parts, the same thing applies to you. If you want to play that aggressive, contribute something useful. Your Mocsta-case is dumb and obviously defensive. Chill out or explain why this is a good way to play (I have no clue how to work with that, I know there are very aggressive (town-) players here, but I have no experience with that). What I gathered is, that Mocsta plays this way. This does not mean he is town, but neither does it tell you he is scum. He played the same way as town in my game with him. Your case is dumb and weak, but it's still 24h to our first lynch, so I'll let it slip. If you contiune to play that way, I'll vote for you (or bringa). | ||
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#Vote: bringaniga Please answer me and defend yourself. | ||
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On January 13 2013 14:20 Oatsmaster wrote: This game man.. Explain why you voted me in detail please Mocsta. It feels like you are relying on your previous town games to give you an automatic town read. About a townie throwing their vote in reckless abandon, please read newbie mafia XXXI. I don't think I'm doing it this game though :/ I have voted my scumread and I either push your lynch, or lay off you because I think that you are town. At the moment, YOUR OMGUS vote on me isn't convincing me. Everyone else, comment on the situation please. You are the one UMGUS'ing, or? | ||
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Please refrain from going into victim mode. If he is out to lynch you, prove him wrong by defending and doing what you think is best. Don't play the victim. @Oats: Since you are active, what do you think about others? Even if Mocsta is your #1 read atm, what about bring? the lurkers? Sno? @Omni: On January 13 2013 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote: @Shz On the other side of things, as much as some of his posts annoy me and I agree he hasn't contributed much of anything, I believe I can see a town mindset behind what he has been saying. It's very clouded though and I can probably attribute that to his posting style. He starts off trying to get people to post (null) It's good for town but not very hard to do early on in the game. Or at any point really. He also tries to say that he thinks both Mocsta and Oats are town (I think) and that they are just butting heads because they have posted the most and it's easiest to make cases this early on people who have posted. It's very hard to get a read on nothing. So although I wouldn't mind seeing him try to explain himself like a normal person and answer some of the questions that have been addressed to him I can see a small townie vibe from what little I believe he has said. Anyway I just woke up, its 4am I'll be back after making some toast if anybody is around  Of course. I would be scared shitless if a scum plays this trolli and obnoxious from the get go. This is super easy to blow up in your face, but what if he is that gutsy? Does it help to have him around even if he is town? This is threesr all over again. | ||
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On January 13 2013 21:34 OmniEulogy wrote: @Shz last thing before I take off till this afternoon, I'll be back with 4-5 hours remaining before the lynch. I believe I'll have a better/worse opinion of Bringaniga as we get closer to the deadline. So far he's shown that he has been reading everything and has been active. If he can start contributing along with that I'll have no problem with him. As far as I know he's just been waiting for more information on people. He has a bit more now so he should be able to piece something together, I'm not overwhelmingly happy with how things have gone so far but I'm hoping the guys in EU pick it up today. If not I'm actually entertaining the idea of playing russian roulette with them and the scummiest lurker gets the bullet. On January 14 2013 06:29 OmniEulogy wrote: Shz has voted for Bringaniga because he was annoying, not because he was scum. In my mind this is not a town motivated vote. It is a vote on somebody easy to target by scum. He hasn't contributed to very much at all, and instead has either asked very simplistic questions, answered the first few questions but mostly attacked players on their stances early on and hasn't done anything since then. It is a large change from my game with him in XXXIII and the fact that he has not contributed since then also makes me worried. I believe you are taking the easy way out by voting for Bringaniga, voting for one of the "easy" lynch candidates. Town should be scum hunting and trying to discuss leads with each other. Not voting because somebody is annoying who you yourself even said it is unlikely for him to be scum. ##Vote: Shz At that moment all he did was troll the shit out of everyone. While this can be town motivated and would be extremly guttsy to do as scum, this is fucked up to do, especially in a newbie game. This isn't okay and should be punished. At that moment I didn't have any good scum reads, so of course I'm gonna start by voting a player which trolls and sabotages town. I don't think meta'ing too hard is gonna help much, this is my second game. But I did that to a extend too with Mocsta. Still I think this is not a very good move to make, but this is day 1, all we have is meta for a big part. New development happend and I'll comment on this in a moment. On January 13 2013 23:58 Mocsta wrote: shz (1) Are you advocating this lynch because you find him annoying as town, or because you have a genuine scum read on him? If you think his motivations are town, is this not lazy voting? If you think he is scum, can you please share your reasoning. (2) What do you make of the play from Glurio. I ask because you are both from Germany, I assume you will have the best chance to communicate with him. I think we need more from him, I ask that you please lead the discussion. On 1, pretty much what I just said. On 2: How can I say anything about that guy? He contributed excactly: nothing. One post to say he's been busy (which is perfectly fine) and then lurk back in the shadows for the rest of the day and still continues to do. On bringaniga: My intent was that he starts to contribute already and quit the trolling. Maybe the way he played/plays is alright in general, but this confused me and I wanted him to quit. And I still don't see a big problem with that. Even if he is town, this does not help us at all, and the sooner we get rid off people like that, the sooner we can have a good environment which allows to focus on scummier players. He kinda did stop his act and trolling, as he seems to be a smurf of a more experienced player. Of course we'll have to see what his replacement will do. So until then: ##Unvote | ||
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glurio still lurking hardcore. But there are better, active, lynches around at the moment. Sno is a interesting case. He was very active before the game and aks so many questions about possibilities, also seemed very eager to start. After the game started he stirred shit up and left. What the fuck? But with three hours to lynch, and still lurking he is another candidate for a modkill. Will refrain from voting him for now. Oats actually stepped up a bit. This is not a town read, but at least he is contributing. Mandalors defense is actually pretty reasonable, and I don't think Mocsta's case sticks for now. I'm willing to see what the next night and day will bring before lynching him. Laguerta is very suspicous. He contributed nothing, just asked random questions, OMGUS voting and then voting for a no-lynch. How does this help? Also his votes are baseless at the moment. ##Vote: Laguerta I think this is the best lynch at the moment. No defense, no explanation. If nothing changes in the next three hours (or aslong as I'm awake) I'll stick with that. You still have time to defend yourself properly. | ||
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Oh, and welcome Glurio... | ||
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On January 14 2013 10:36 Trotske wrote: I don't think laguerta is scum you guys are pushing a lynch claiming scum when he looks a lot more like a bad townie with no experience and is lazy. what is with this bandwagon on someone who might as well be a lurker In fact a lurker would be a better lynch. I am going to keep my vote on the person who started this ridiculous vote. I can understand that, but what if Sno is actually gonna get modkilled? Could also be a bad town who lost interest in this game very quickly. | ||
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On January 14 2013 10:43 Trotske wrote: What does sn0 getting modkilled have to do with laguerta being a bad lynch. you say you understand but didn't change your vote? For me laguarta is up there with sno on my scum-scala. So I go with the one I know is not getting modkilled. Of course bad town is a probability, it always is. | ||
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On January 14 2013 11:41 Sn0_Man wrote: ##Vote: Mocsta Lol, wtf. | ||
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On January 14 2013 12:30 OmniEulogy wrote: In fact, it was mentioned earlier... not enough of a fight from mafia to keep Laguerta in the game... the fact that the only two votes that aren't on him are on two different people makes me highly doubt they are both mafia either... guys I think we fucked this up ##Unvote And 1,5h later, laguerta is not dead, but Mandalor, the vanilla town. Was this the bus you were waiting for? On January 14 2013 12:13 Mocsta wrote: My vote is sticking on La Guerta. I cant let it go that he lied. it is punishable by lynch. How the fuck does this post convince you (after you said you can't get over the fact, laguerta lied) that Mandalor was scum? This post adds nothing new, that wasn't said before. How can you agree then 1(!) minute before lynch? Also: On January 14 2013 13:12 Mocsta wrote: Look.. obviously I rode the train and hammered the vote. Ask what you need to ask. Im going to take a walk, and clear my thoughts, and will respond to your questions when I get back. On January 14 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote: So far, the play from Sn0_man hasnt done anything to suggest zebezt was wrong in naming him as a scum read. If I am confirmation biased with this assessment, let me know? Because I have done my best to take a step back here and consider the information. Stop playing the victim card. If you are confirmation biased, people will tell you. You also obivously fucked this up, and people will tell you. Stop victimizing yourself in an attempt to look innocent. This will not fly. Just because you leave yourself an out with "am I biased?", "I admit I messed up" you are not less suspicious if this backfires. I would love to answer how glurios post actually changed your mind one minute before lynch with nothing new added to the table? | ||
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On January 14 2013 13:11 Oatsmaster wrote: well, although we lynched a townie(not good) I think that it was a productive lynch and WE NEED to look back at it. How was this productive? What did you learn from that? On January 14 2013 16:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Shz, thoughts on the lynch? What is your top scumread now? I'm still with laguerta for now. As I learned, you don't make associations before a scum-flip, so let's ignore that for now. But I'm honestly baffled how people complain about that laguerta isn't getting bussed, and then proceed to bus him (as town or scum). On January 14 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote: Well.. if you wanted to swap.. im not comfortable with zebezt I read his filter, and OK, he is not the most "direct" scum hunter, but we already have Oatsmaster for that role.. I see him as a townie.. and its got nothign to do with him agreeing with some of my concerns. In fact, he actually questioned me regarding a few. Also.. he didnt share TOWN reads (like some individuals) he shared SCUM reads... remember.. its alot harder for scum to present scum reads as they are openly lying... Town or scum can produce a town read and feel true to themselves. Why is it, all of a sudden, okay that someone is the "most direct" scum hunter? And why are you giving him town-cred for not sharing town reads, when you do it in the same post yourself? | ||
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On January 14 2013 17:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Shz is playing the newbie town card first, then threatens to vote me for being bad, not scum. This is not a townie way to play... Why does he feel the need to emphasis that I am improving but also emphasis that I may be scum? Because he wants to have the option to lynch me. This post is so fucking useless, his top scumread posts a vote and thats all he can say? He never outrightly pushes Sno as a lynch candidate, and as a result, he doesnt become a lynch candidate. In his filter, he doesnt actually scumhunt, he lets other people do the scumhunting for him I threatend you for being detrimental to town cause. Whether you are actually scum or not, this behaviour didn't help at all. You stepped it up, but that doesn't mean you are town for the rest of the game. This means you stopped being bad, and at least tried (or look trying) to be helpful. This post was a shock, as I was on my way to bed thinking Sno lost interesting and is getting modkilled anyway, then he just votes withouth ANY contribution. This was a "Lol, wtf" moment. He later did actually post, but by that time I was in bed. I stated clearly why I did not push Sno. Because he was an hour away from being modkilled. I will look out for him now, as he also said that we wants to contribute more. | ||
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On January 14 2013 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Shz, the amount of activity near the lynch is good because its harder for scum to coordinate and makes it easier for us to see whether the vote switches were town motivated or scum motivated So, what did you learn from that? | ||
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On January 14 2013 17:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Since I disliked his playing style I hoped for a modkill So you dont think that he would be useful? Losing town members is never good, so do you think Acid and Glurio should be modkilled too? Scum want to reduce the number of townies, town wants all the townies to be useful. Zebezt sounds like scum. I did not hoped, I anticipated one. Don't put words in my mouth. Why waste a vote on a modkilled player, when there is another good target to lynch? Acid and glurio weren't on their way to a modkill, and I don't have them high on my scum-list atm. As I said, laguerta and Sno. Are mine atm, and as long as this doesn't changes, I'll look at them both. | ||
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On January 14 2013 17:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is Sno voting Mocsta a 'Lol, wtf' moment? He looked like Sno's top scumread before he disappeared. What the fuck? Are you just that ignorant? I explained it to you, and I gladly will quote myself. On January 14 2013 17:14 shz wrote: This post was a shock, as I was on my way to bed thinking Sno lost interesting and is getting modkilled anyway, then he just votes withouth ANY contribution. This was a "Lol, wtf" moment. He later did actually post, but by that time I was in bed. On January 14 2013 17:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Still not explaining why you felt the need to mention both together. What? | ||
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Yes I wanted him dead or stop trolling. Trolling is bad. Bad for town. Bad for this game. He got killed and that is a good thing. Whether he was town or not, that was dumb and annoying and frustrating. Mabye I misunderstood, but didn't you say that you can learn something from the vote-switching? Why do you need more input for that? | ||
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On January 14 2013 17:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok Shz. Why did you feel the need to mention that I was improving? Because you were under fire for playing, at least in my opinion, bad and you did improve as in stopped playing aggressivly without contributing in at least showing interest in contributing. How is mentioning your improvement a problem? I don't get that. If I were scum, why should I try to give you more town-cred when you aren't scum? I don't get it. | ||
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On January 14 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote: (1) "Was this the bus you were waiting for" No. My mindset was firm on La Guerta due to lying.. not being my top scum read. If memory serves me right you went to bed and werent available during the last 1 hr. So I appreciate that you have a fresh perspective on this, but you weren't in the moment. When OmniEulogy unvoted, and then Oatsmaster unvoted they raised raised good points. The lynch for La Guerta was uncontested. Others started to share this opinion and were considering his play as just bad town. And with that, the vote became contested. On January 14 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote: Yeah my vote went in last minute.. but why dont you check my post timestamps.. i literally had just got off a post from Acid; its not like I was sitting there ready to post last minute. [As an aside.. I even refer to my confused state of mind with the whole situation when I addressed Acid in the spoilered post] There is no doubt [only now].. i was wrong about Mandalor, but I built what I consider to be a good and reasoned case on him. And his reactions were indeed over emotional. He admitted it himself. So you were distracted and confused, and because of that the post you quoted before voting for Mandalor convinced you? You made the case beforehand, but still voted for laguerta. On January 14 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote: As for the victim card.. i dont know what you are talking about, and dont see how your 2 quotes elucidate that? I am putting myself out there to be questioned.. Who else has done that? I am standing by open and transparent play.. when am I claiming to be the victim? If anything, I am trying to answer your concerns so we can move on and scum hunt. What happened, has happened; did you question my case i built on mandalor? I cant remember you doing so. You are constantly leaving outs and "invite" people to critize you. This could be town who wants transparency, this could also be scum who wants to play it safe for everything he does. If you constantly invite people to correct you, you will never be held accountable, because you said it yourself that you think you could be wrong. If you are the victim, you can't be the perpetrator. If you can't be the perpetrator you are town. | ||
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Anway, I'm eager to hear more. | ||
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Why did you change it 1 min before lynch instead of 20 mins before, 2h before? If he was your top scum-read. Of course I'm gonna interpret quotes, this is what all this is about. | ||
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I'm still not satisfied with your answer, but this leads to nowhere anyway. You could have voted for him even hours before, if you were so sure. But whatever. Off to the next one. | ||
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On January 14 2013 12:56 OmniEulogy wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster I don't like the constant vote jumping. Or pulling off Laguerta after jumping around so much. It makes me think you know who the townies are and have been testing to see which wagon sticks. That confidence in nailing Zebezt is bothering me too... I'm biased with my thinking past thing point. Don't wanna screw with anybody else I'll explain it after the lynch. I hope we can still expect your explanation? | ||
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Could you explain why Manda got a pass from you in the D1 lynch? Any news on what you have learned from the lynch yet? What is your current stance on Zare and Laguerta? You voted both at some point. | ||
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On January 14 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote: after all.. you made a conscious decision not to be involved around lynch time. Do you want to imply something with that? On January 14 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote: Shz Seriously.. you need to start reading what Im saying...( im not asking you to stop questioning Oats.) but I did not ask you to question him (as you implied above).. The quote I chose to elucidate was a reference to the chaos in the thread at the time. Oats reaction in context with his personality this game I think is a very good indicator of the disarray all the active participants felt. And I'm still standing by what I said, how is the chaos an explanation to switch from your firmly taken stance of lynching laguerta for lying to your "number one" scum-read minutes before the lynch? Again, nothing new came to the surface in terms of Mandalor, other than that your vote pushed him over the edge, in that period of chaos. | ||
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On January 15 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: What do you think about how the lynch went down? I'm still figuring out what the fuck that was. Was the chaos just scared and confused townies, or was it a organized bus to help out laguerta? Or both? I think Spag hit in on the head with that: On January 15 2013 00:06 Spaghetticus wrote: + Show Spoiler + @OmniEulogy and to a lesser extent Zarepath Omni you seem to have taken something on board from my defense of Corazon in XXXIII, and Zare you seem to be sheeping the sentiment. (1) - On day one there was no resistance to a lynch on Laguerta. (2) - If Laguerta were scum, his scum buddies would be worried and try and make another bandwagon (C) - Laguerta is not scum. This mirrors my argument in defense of Corazon precisely, though this may not have been causal. I was wrong in making that argument because Corazon was scum and he was being bussed day one. I wasn't incorrect in thinking that at this skill level people are too thick to bus day one, but I did make a massive error which my good friend DP (he is actually my friend in RL and the reason I started play mafia, he is not my good friend because he coaches scum) was so nice as to point out. DP told me: "I was coaching scum and told them to bus Corazon" You see how my theorycrafting failed to take into account that there was a certain level of organisation created by a scum coach being an active participant in both the scum QT, and exerting control via personal messages? If a scum is being bandwagoned hardcore day one, the coach will tell the other scum to let natural selection take its course. I am not going to make a case or vote yet, as I have only read up to [22], but I don't want you thinking for a second that just because Laguerta had seven votes that he is not scum. This is what I meant with: On January 14 2013 16:55 shz wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2013 12:30 OmniEulogy wrote: In fact, it was mentioned earlier... not enough of a fight from mafia to keep Laguerta in the game... the fact that the only two votes that aren't on him are on two different people makes me highly doubt they are both mafia either... guys I think we fucked this up ##Unvote And 1,5h later, laguerta is not dead, but Mandalor, the vanilla town. Was this the bus you were waiting for? I'm not sure yet, but I'm trying to figure it out. On January 15 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Laguerta hasnt posted since the 'no-lynch', I still think he is town. Zare, needs to follow up on this So you are not confident atm in anyone, but you still suspect those two? Anyone else? | ||
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On January 14 2013 12:59 Oatsmaster wrote: MOCSTA ARE YOU SURE THAT LAGUARTA IS SCUM? What exactly was the meaning behind that? Like, what did you hope to achieve with that post? | ||
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@Sno, since laguerta is on the bench for now, who would you vote for? | ||
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On January 15 2013 03:32 zebezt wrote: PS: don't worry I'll post more later. Any ETA on that? I get it, you don't want to ignore benched players. So, why do you think laguerta is more scummy than some of the more active / not-benched players? Care to elaborate instead of citing his weird voting pattern (which is weird, but that can't be all, or?). What are your thoughts on Trot? Do you think he is scum? And why / why not? | ||
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On January 15 2013 13:03 Spaghetticus wrote: @Zare and Shz This is not a town read of petty scale. I will defend this read, and I want people to know that it is pointless attacking Omni while I am around. I am not someone known for my confidence in my reads, this one I am dead certain of. There is no way that Omni would throw away three compromised town games in order to appear town to someone that he did not know would be in the game. Meta-reads in newbies are generally garbage, but this has mitigating circumstances. I don’t care if you decide not to treat him as confirmed town, I just don’t want anyone wasting their time attacking him. On January 15 2013 14:02 Spaghetticus wrote: ...Scum teams are never so bold as to confirm each other town off meta-reads. It's not worth it when you do the risk-reward maths. Even with people like me going and telling you that scum would not do it, it's still not worth it for scum to do it. Feel free to suspect me, but please stop looking to solve the game in one glorious glance of insight before a single red-flip. Such a feat speaks more of phenomenal luck than talent, and the pursuit of such an objective inhibits useful scum-hunting methods and clogs up the thread. You agree with all arguments against such a play, and you still do it. We should ignore that, ignore Omni, and just move on without any questions asked? Why? Because you are Mr. Mafia? Way to jerk-off to your own ego. But whatever, there are better targets out there atm, but I hope you get bored jerking-off soon. | ||
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On January 15 2013 03:40 zebezt wrote: Seeing how Oats actually voted for so many different people.. I dont know if that is actually scummy. If I were scum I wouldnt wanna antagonize so many people and just wait until I could bandwagon one or two players. At the moment you are going down the path you described as scummy. You have like one scum-read (Sno) but didn't follow it up, instead the last posts were either fluff, false-promisies, and asking to not ignoe benched players. If you are not sure where to start, you can always do a complete collection of comments to each of the living players. If not, just ask away and we will find things for you to give your opinion on. | ||
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On January 15 2013 15:12 Mocsta wrote: @Shz Since you are here... and zarepath isnt.. and Sn0_Man is M.I.A. I would like your thoughts on my case regarding zarepath character http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615¤tpage=32#622 The town-road on Oats could also be town-motivated. But for the rest, I think you are onto something there, and he really needs to actually contribute instead of posting without anything that helps, let it be pressure or laying down cases. I would also like for him to explain why he hasn't done much helpful while being present and reading everything. | ||
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On January 15 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote: @Shz Since you are one of the few who is actively trying to fit the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together. What do you make of this action? Personally I thought I would be higher chance for the NK than RB, so I don't know what to make of it. Of course you would see yourself NK'ed, but we had that topic already. It's hard for scum and town to actually draw many conclusions of which player has which role, other than basic alignment. So I think that it is totally possible to just RB an active player. If scum saw Oats as a better NK, they could just RB their second priority. I think the much better question is, why Oats was NK'ed? | ||
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Someone who is on the right way to find then? This could also mean that town will do what you are doing now, looking through his filters and votes to see who he thought was scum. The other possibility is to cause confusion and chaos and stop the scum hunting. But for now I would expect the first. I would wait a little more until everybody had the chance to claim RB. It is also possible that both (if present) RB'ed you. Yes, I think an town RB could have RB'ed you too. It's not like you weren't challenged in the last days. | ||
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It is interesting how his words are more town then his votes. He did try to push Sno decently hard, but then dropped it. This can be confused, scared town, but it also can be scum. And the rest of the things Acid pointed out seem scummy. At least enough to be lynched. But for now I'm gonna wait for the cases that have been promised, and cast my vote later. I'll propably be around deadline, so thats good. Can we get more actual things besides "you are a lurker, die" from you Spa after day 2? | ||
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I don't see the reason why we should lynch Omni first. If you are correct, it would be much easier to lynch laguerta / his replacement and then make the association. It could be a big ploy and gutsy playstyle orchestrated by a smurf of a way more experienced player to try a new strategy or whatever, but this does still warrant a laguerta lynch much more than a Omni lynch. If you are so sure that laguerta is scum, lynch him first. Play it safe, and make the association afterwards. Though this style of association is still way harder to make, as a town can always defend a scum, but the more logical way is to see who the scum defended, as he knows the alignment. | ||
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On January 17 2013 01:00 Mocsta wrote: You have to remember.. when i started this case.. the replacement wasnt due in. And it took a fuckn long time to type it up. Its midnight and Im exhausted.. Im happy to lead discussion with La Guerta, or whoever the replacement name is.. but not right now, im struggling to stay awake. In short.. due to time restraints.. if La Guerta isnt lynched tonight, I am happy with Trotske.. I already commented on Acid case and didnt see many flaws. It doesn't matter who the replacement is or says. If you are so sure, laguerta is still the better lynch. | ||
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Omni is definitly one of the dumbest targets to lynch today, and I can't wrap my head around why someone would make a case like that. @Acid: So you would say Mocsta is good scum, instead of crappy town? I can agree, but I'm not sure if laguerta would still be the better candidate for tonight. He should have died D1, did nothing until being modkilled, and his replacement doesn't seem to be around either, or is lurking hard. So I don't know why we shouldn't lynch him now and go after Mocsta later. But for me this depends on how Mocsta handles himself between now and lynch. | ||
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I will stick with laguerta for now. I think he did a great job of either causing confusion in this town, or at playing bad. I hope it's the former. As long Jacob does'nt participate at all, I see no value in keeping him around. I'm not completly sold on Mocsta, but that doesn't I see him as town. ##Vote: JacobStrangelove Please participate in some way before you die, maybe you can explain what the fuck laguertas play was and defend yourself (even if you weren't the one doing this shit). If not, I'll keep my vote on you. | ||
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If you do get lynched in 20 minutes, would you like to share your opinions while you still have the chance? | ||
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Did your opinions about Jacob change? Do you think he is worth keeping around for a while? I kinda feel that he at least contributed somewhat, though the surprise that the lynch deadline is so soon is a bit strange, it is posted with every votecount, and they were already a few of them before he started. | ||
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On January 17 2013 08:57 Mocsta wrote: EBWOP Sn0_Man. Your doing great.. Trust in yourself.. You can make the right decisions. What are you doing? How victimized can someone post. | ||
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On January 17 2013 15:56 zebezt wrote: Now we can kill off Jacob and we will have only 1 scum left. This is awesome! Gives us a lot of time for scum hunting. This is plain dumb. This attitude leads to nowhere. On January 17 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:What is the scum motivation for Mocsta claiming that he was RB'd? Town does not lie. If you are RB'd you should say so. If you don't, someone will know that you didn't, this leads to you being suspected. You should always claim RB. | ||
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On January 17 2013 17:24 zebezt wrote: It's dumb to be happy? I'm not saying we should sit back and relax. But in my eyes the next lynch is 100% clear. It's sad for Jacob because he didnt get to play much, but Laguerta and mocsta set him up. Evidence against Jacob First there is Laguerta saying he is not gonna "no vote" and then he "no vote"s. LIE Second there is is Mocsta's voting behaviour. During day 1 he is super late to get on the Laguerta voting train. When that train is looking like it's going to derail, Mocsta gives it the final push by jumping ship and voting Mand. There is no reason for Mocsta to make this switch UNLESS HE IS PROTECTING HIS SCUM BUDDY. Later on Mocsta claims he is 100% sure that Laguerta is scum. Yet he does not vote for him. Instead voting for somebody else. Not once, but TWICE. This looks to me like Mocsta is distancing himself from Laguerta, knowing his lie is out. However he tries to distract the vote away from Laguerta. Any comparison with Temil is useless. This is more than enough PROOF THAT JACOB IS SCUM. I therefore strongly suggest that if we have a roleblocker he RB's Jacob tonight. Your attitude is bad. Don't just say "laguerta 100% kk go". No one will take it serious, and if you are wrong, that doesn't look good. I'm not sure yet how Mocsta tried to play. So you would say that he set this all up to help laugerta? Even if Mocsta couldn't have known that he is gonna lynched? Why help someone with saying "You are 100% scum", even if he didn't vote for him? | ||
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Spag is indeed very interesting. He plays just strange. In the beginning it was okay because he just replaced the troll and had to settle in. His LAL thing was okay, but in the end worthless as we lynched the GF on d2 with him being the most active player. But thats over now. And I still don't get the vote-switch. @Spaghetticus: You said you will wake up in time for the lynch and participate. You did. Or, you were awake at least. You came in, changed your vote and went off. Why did you not post your explanation before the flip? You are a self-proclaimed god in Mafia, so why the fuck do you do something so obviously bad? Also, confirming my last 10% of being town is not a good enough reason to lynch someone. Not that I disagree that Trot should be looked upon. On January 18 2013 22:58 zarepath wrote: This post (mine, here) does not even attempt to go into Spag's endorsement of Mocsta's case on me, or his voting behavior, or lack of cases on who the other 2 scum are. (Really, if he were actually going after scum, he would ASSUME I were scum, because if he supposedly knows he's not scum, then he has to assume that I was backing Mocsta up by voting for Trotske. Where is Spag's case on me? Shouldn't I be the most obvious scum to him if he's NOT scum? NO, instead he has a convoluted case which main goal is to confirm someone town.) I post this now because I think people are overlooking the importance of analyzing his interactions with the one person we KNOW to have been scum. Should we then just lynch you both and one scum will come out of it? On January 18 2013 07:01 Sn0_Man wrote: Acid's FoS on Spag seems correct but he may offload the KP. Could someone explain to me what he was trying to say? I genuinely don't understand it. | ||
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Despite playing the angry victim pretty hard, I don't like this lynch. My favorite to lynch today is zarepath. He did nothing all day except from tunneling Spaghetti. He is also AWOL the last 24hs and why shouldn't he be? Spag is going down and he doesn't need anymore attention on him. If nothing happens for the rest of the day, my vote will stay with him. ##Vote: zarepath | ||
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If you remove the Spag-Focus from zares posts, there is only setup talk (useless) and lists left. Which isn't that helpful honestly. Of course Spag isn't helpful as scum, but is as town. It's not that I'm ruling anyone out, but I'm not convinced. And I would love to have some more input from him without getting all defensive, | ||
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Even though Jacob's vote didn't seal the deal for Spag for 100%, this is still suspicious as it was 90% sure Spag would get killed that day. What I'm honestly baffled by is this: Why wasn't this caught earlier. This is actually a pretty big tell. On January 21 2013 21:40 JacobStrangelove wrote: Now what is also interesting is something I found is zebs filter, while it is before the game starts it proves he would have thought about the win conditions for sk. So he wouldn't have gone crazy killing people early on. Also would like to point out you haven't responded to my case on you. While being afk for most of the day is convenient it's not exactly helpful. Yes. But as long as there is no sign of an SK, don't fucking think about it. We will find out soon enough. If Jacob flips town this will get tricky, as zare and zebe are both equally town/scum at this point in my opinion. But, zeb is confirmed town as long as no one contradicts Trotskes claim, so zar should be the obvious choice next. | ||
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On January 21 2013 22:20 JacobStrangelove wrote: In the middle of my reply but I wanted to clear something up real quick. First off I knew it was soon. Like 3 hours or so I didn’t think it was soon as in 1 hour. You are twisting the word soon in this case considering days are 48 hours long I think I am pretty alright in saying what I thought was going to be 2-3 hours soon. We believe Trotstke is DT, right? So then, zebe is town too (we ignore SK for now). I'm town. This leaves you and zare. So why shouldn't we just lynch you both and be done with it? At the moment I think you are the better candidate so I would lynch you first. If you should tell the truth and be town, great, we just lynch zare and the game is takes a bit longer then needed. | ||
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This is the one thing that I'm very concerned about. | ||
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On January 22 2013 19:04 zebezt wrote: Easy peasy Mocsta knows there is no scum RB, or if there is one, he could tell em not to use their power. So if someone else claims a RB, then it seems that there is a town and a scum RB. The only thing that makes sense if there isn't a scum RB. What it really looks like. For a scum RB not to use their power is just dumb just to do that little claim. So, in your opinion, it is more likely that Jacob is lying, than that Mocsta was not? | ||
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On January 22 2013 22:04 zebezt wrote: Shz is looking more scummy with every second imo JSL is actually right about something in this respect. For shz it makes sense to vote zare or me. If he is town he will know that the 4 scum scenario is impossible. Therefore voting JSL is more safe for him. He has had a lot of time to figure this out, but is instead sticking with JSL and even posted to this effect. Imo this proves he is not thinking like a townie. Instead he is waiting to see what Trotske is going to do and jump ship to zare when he gets the chance. Trotske does not have the added benefit of knowing wether or not shz is town, so he has to make the real decision. So you think I should not vote Jacob? Because he is the best target? | ||
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On January 22 2013 22:29 zebezt wrote: *shrugs I think I was clear. I think if I were in your situation I would not vote him if I was town unless I really wanted to make sure that this game ends soon. I think he looks guilty as hell, but maybe that's because I have the added information of knowing 100% sure that I am town and he lied about RB'ing me. If I were you I would probably not be 100% convinced and vote zare to be sure. My point was that since you didn't figure this out yourself it points to you being scum along with JSL. This post is not telling you how to vote. It is more a warning to Trotske to not trust your intentions in this. I'm not saying we should lynch you right now. JSL could just be stalling for time and I'm being paranoid. You are getting quite a bit aggressive on the way to the end. I would vote for Jacob and zare. The only thing that kinda excuses zare is his case and early vote for Spag. Jacob on the other hand plays his last hours similar to Mocsta and Spag and his RB story is fishy as hell. Therefore he is the better lynch. The only reason you and Trotske are out of question for scum is that no one else claimed DT. And therefore I have to think that zare or Jacob are scum, and if anything, you are SK. But we have no prove of the existens, so we only have to lynch J and Z and be done with the game. At least aslong no new evidence comes to light (through night actions). | ||
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Oh Jacob.. You really got me confused... | ||
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On January 24 2013 03:53 JacobStrangelove wrote: Oh and for the record spag told me lynch time was 12 so I was legitimately confused coming into the thread. Why didn't you roleblock all game though? | ||
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