EPTHe was a perfect alternative to Hapa, because the scum knew that if there were a doctor, the doctor would surely protect Hapa. This make Z Boson a safe kill for night one.
And his entrance and excuse are scummy.
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
He was a perfect alternative to Hapa, because the scum knew that if there were a doctor, the doctor would surely protect Hapa. This make Z Boson a safe kill for night one. And his entrance and excuse are scummy. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I don't like the fact that he just shows up randomly minutes after the lynch and 180's his reads on me and Xatalos. It doesn't make him scum, though. He's one of the more townier people so I definitely wouldn't lynch him today. So wishy washy. Yeah I don;t agree with hapa's town read on you. like I would have earlier but you have actually contributed nothing whilst appearing active and townish. That is the hallmark of non useless scum play. Look town, contribute nothing substantial and find a mislynch in a group of several weaker players. Check, Check and Check. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Wtf are you talking about? DP 180'd his reads. Not you. I just answered your question. Derp. My mistake. I'd like you to be clearer on your read of him, though. Why is he one of the townier people? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:33 DarthPunk wrote: So wishy washy. Yeah I don;t agree with hapa's town read on you. like I would have earlier but you have actually contributed nothing whilst appearing active and townish. That is the hallmark of non useless scum play. Look town, contribute nothing substantial and find a mislynch in a group of several weaker players. Check, Check and Check. Your confirmation bias is stunning. You haven't done anything this game but argue with Hapa, let the Xatalos lynch happen, and then proceed to tunnel me blindly. Everyone keeps saying I'm not contributing when I've actually given reads and comments on a bunch of people. Seriously. If you are town, proceed to find scum instead of beating my mislynch into the ground. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:24 Z-BosoN wrote: DP don't go anywhere, you aussy mufucka. Aside from CC, who do you think is scum? Do you agree with Hapa's assessment on ShiaoPi? Shiao is hard to read as he lurks hard as each alignment. The thing with shiao though is that later on in the game as town he may just randomly solve the game. AS scum he will continue to be useless. CC is my strongest read. I want to see him flip. If he flips scum though I think yamato and shiao are both probably town. I fucking hate Mr Z's playstyle but he is looking townie also. so it would come down to you or jay. This is assuming hapa is confirmed at some stage when the medic claims. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:32 MrZentor wrote: Also, if Z Boson were town, he'd probably be dead. He was a perfect alternative to Hapa, because the scum knew that if there were a doctor, the doctor would surely protect Hapa. This make Z Boson a safe kill for night one. And his entrance and excuse are scummy. This post reeks of bad assumptions. You are saying that if I was town, scum would surely shoot me over hapa, and if I were scum, there is no one but hapa to shoot? Am I missing something? If my entrance was scummy, why are you pointing it out? As for my excuse, answer me this: On January 08 2013 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote: When did I reverse my read on Xatalos? I never thought you a strong town to begin with, and I like DP's case a lot. Please answer my questions I showed up because I got caught up in traffic. Why would I make a post saying I'd post my reads before deadline and not do so? Do you doubt this? If not, what's the point of asking? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote: Derp. My mistake. I'd like you to be clearer on your read of him, though. Why is he one of the townier people? He's townier simply because their are scummier people. I'm starting to rethink my read on him simply because he's providing nothing to town other than tunneling me for "not contributing". I need to read SP and Yamato better due to this. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:37 DarthPunk wrote: Shiao is hard to read as he lurks hard as each alignment. The thing with shiao though is that later on in the game as town he may just randomly solve the game. AS scum he will continue to be useless. CC is my strongest read. I want to see him flip. If he flips scum though I think yamato and shiao are both probably town. I fucking hate Mr Z's playstyle but he is looking townie also. so it would come down to you or jay. This is assuming hapa is confirmed at some stage when the medic claims. Ok, so assume I'm town for now. Assuming this, what do you make of mrZ's latest post? Also, why is jay scum? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Your confirmation bias is stunning. You haven't done anything this game but argue with Hapa, let the Xatalos lynch happen, and then proceed to tunnel me blindly. Everyone keeps saying I'm not contributing when I've actually given reads and comments on a bunch of people. Seriously. If you are town, proceed to find scum instead of beating my mislynch into the ground. I fail to see any confirmation bias. It is hilarious that you try and discredit my read of you that way, particularly after you yourself admitted you were scummy as shit. As for your 'contributions' You shat on weak players. That is about it. your one case was on confirmed lynch bait. Since then you have commented a whole bunch without contributing anything substantial or really scumhunting. Your contributions have consisted soley of sniping at shiao/yamato/xatalos and calling yourself townie and a mislynch. how about instead of continuing to be active without contributing, you make some cases, actually scum hunt and change my mind. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:38 Z-BosoN wrote: This post reeks of bad assumptions. You are saying that if I was town, scum would surely shoot me over hapa, and if I were scum, there is no one but hapa to shoot? Am I missing something? If my entrance was scummy, why are you pointing it out right now?? As for my excuse, answer me this: EBWOP on the red bolded part. Right now as in, why now and not before? This makes little sense, because if you had really found it scummy, then a) you would have mentioned it as town and b) you would have not put me in the same category as hapa in this post: On January 07 2013 02:34 MrZentor wrote: The four main suspects are Mr. CC, Shiaopi, Yamato, and Xatalos. Mr. CC + Show Spoiler + He's probably town, and there are two main reasons for me to think that. 1. He's carefree and open, especially during the opening of the game. On January 04 2013 12:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mr.Z we're masoned you dummy. ShiaoPi obv scum right? On January 05 2013 10:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hey yeah yeah yeah Hey yeah, I said HEY! What's going on?! Home from my shift and such. Reading the shitfest that is DP-Hapa (kind of sounds like a porno) interaction atm and catching up. Questions, people, questions. Anyone? On January 05 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh hey Hapa whats up. I need someone to talk to. Wanna cuddle? What you think of Yamato going full retard right now? 2. Two of the other suspects targeted him early in the game. Although it is possible one of them was faking this aggression, it is unlikely, because of all the risks that come with it. If the scum faking aggression toward Mr.CC gets lynched and doesn't do a good job of faking it, then it will be obvious that Mr. CC is scum with him. On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote: Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said? Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target. CC is scummy. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Mr. Cheesecake Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far. From Xatalos. It is possible that he is scum with ShiaoPi, but I find this unlikely considering his early game behavior. Yamato + Show Spoiler + His early game play seems a lot like an earnest, noobie townie. On January 04 2013 16:41 yamato77 wrote: I'm not sure how the logic is strange. You told me it was difficult to think in IRC because there was no time. You advocate making longer, more thought out decisions in this game because of the instant lynch mechanic. I don't know why you guys think this is a big deal. On January 04 2013 17:32 yamato77 wrote: What is disproportionate responsibility? I think there's plenty of reason to give the hammer more look than other votes. It is the act of making the decision to lynch someone, it makes the player into the executioner. The use of the hammer vote is perhaps the most important thing in this game. You said so yourself and now you seem to disagree with me? Why? On January 06 2013 00:06 yamato77 wrote: I will admit I'm not paying as much attention to this game as I should. Honestly my vote on CC was to get a better read on him. Up to that point I thought he was a bit scummy so I figured his reaction to me voting for him out of nowhere might reveal to me his alignment. It turns out it didn't, but some of the things he has said since then have swayed my opinion. I'm fairly confident in Hapa being town, so as far as active scum I don't think there are any. Jay is the only one I would question because his posts have a quality that makes them seem quiet, almost like his opinion isn't something to be valued. Is he scum trying to stay under the radar or just a weak townie? No I'm much more inclined to think a scum lies between Mr Zentor and Rise. Zentor hasn't contributed much besides a lot of setup talk and town reads. His filter is low content, low profile, very much like I think the scum are this game. Rise simply hasn't posted much since the beginning if the game and it is starting to make me question his motivations. Also, the way he pushes me makes me think he's a noob townie. I would expect newer players to think I'm scum, because of a lot of the things I do are obviously scummy. On January 06 2013 17:58 yamato77 wrote: Mr Zentor He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch. Xatalos + Show Spoiler + He is pretty uptight, but he makes some good points in his massive cases; he and ShiaoPi are equally likely to be scum. Well, for starters, I think you're most likely town. I can't believe a Mafia would outpost everyone in the thread and engage in every possible topic. Does that make DarthPunk Mafia in my eyes? Not really. I agree with many things he says, and his filter just reads fairly townish to me - this post for example: In any case, I'm pretty satisfied with your responses. Your counter-arguments to my (pretty weak) arguments for your scumminess are what I'd expect from a townie: calm, collected, reasonable. Combined with Hapahauli's recommendation to wait on you, I don't see you as a good lynch at the moment. Welcome, Z-Boson! I'm glad you're being very townish and contributive so far, which means we have one less player out of the lynching table (I didn't like lynching RiseAgain either, but this is a much easier judgement than that). ShiaoPi + Show Spoiler + Either he or Xatalos is scum, I'm not sure which. It's pretty unlikely that they're both scum, considering how they both made cases on why the other is scum. He parks his vote on a lurker. On January 05 2013 12:14 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm looks like RiseAgain has still not responded.... Anyway moving onto the matters more at hand for now. I don't think that DP or Hapa are scum, it feels much more like townies at each others throats for minor things. While I can see where both are coming from during the exchange I does kind of worry me that DP does not follow up with a vote as Hapa does. Does not seem to fit when he calls him scum more than once earlier. @Mr.CC Xatalos is kind of a lynchbait in itself. He is not that easy to read (at least for me), but what I have seen so far from him does not really convince me on his scumminess. From time to time he does these 180-turns but usually it is because he lays his entire thoughtprocess out and therefore every nook and turn of his mind is in the thread. He is nullish right now. I want to see more from RiseAgain, so ##Vote: RiseAgain get in here and do something please!  But he also waffles over Xatalos, which makes me think he could be town. On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts. First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier. I am interested currently in these people: yamato Xatalos MrZ yamato: There are many things which would probably be me reiterating stuff that was mentioned (discrepancy in behaviour as hapa said). Not being really present, throwing votes around with little reasoning. But that can be explained by his lack of time due to RL business. could really use more analysis and reasoning from him. Xatalos: I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait. That is because he is hesitating a lot, laying out a lot of his thoughts in the thread and therefore opening himself up for harsh critique if he changes his mind and posts it. His lack of any stance is alarming though. While it is somewhat just his playstyle (IIRC) I still dislike it a lot, I mean day 1 has been going for quite a long time now already, while we did not get more information through lynching there is still a lot of content to search through and find something. MrZ: He is useless, which is stupidly just his meta with the lightheartedness he has shown. I don't like useless people but cannot condemn him based on this. Actually I started this post with wanting to lynch into Xata/yamato preferrably yamato but now that I am writing those reads feel just unsatisfying...There is nothing really much that distinguishes one option from the other. I am reluctant to lynch yamato since he seems legitimately busy, also relcutant to lynch Xata for just playing as he does (same goes for MrZ). Somehow this day 1 has not been really productive >_> Who we should lynch. + Show Spoiler + I don't know which one we should lynch, but I know what we should do if each one is lynched. .....................................Xatalos.................................................................................................Shiaopi............ ................................../.....................\........................................................................................./..........\............ ........................flips scum..........flips town..................................................................flips scum.....flips town........................... ...........................|............................|............................................................................./...............................\.................................. ......find scum partner..............lynch Shia.....................................................lynch MrCC..............lynch Xatalos-.flips.scum ..... ................................................../............\....................................................../..................\..............................|........................| .....................................flips town......flips scum.............................flips scum............flips town...........flips town.......find scum ....................................|.................................|.....................................|............................|........................../.......................partner ...start suspecting people......................lynch MrCC....................win..............start suspecting people.................... ...like Hapa and Boson............................/...............\.........................................like Hapa and Boson ..........................................................flips scum.......flips town........................................................................................... ........................................................./............................|................................................................... ....................................................win...................start suspecting people..................................... ............................................................................like Hapa and Boson..................................... | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:42 Z-BosoN wrote: Ok, so assume I'm town for now. Assuming this, what do you make of mrZ's latest post? Also, why is jay scum? Well Jay is scummy. But he is there mostly due to process of elimination. As I said previously, I have experienced particular difficulty in forming reads this game. It is frustrating and I am trying to push through it, but a large part of it is that there are a whole bunch of people that look scummy but are plausibly just lynchbait. Yamato, jay, shiao, Mr Z. all fit that group in my mind. I have mostly been trying to distinguish between bad town, scum, engaged scum, and town. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: He's townier simply because their are scummier people. I'm starting to rethink my read on him simply because he's providing nothing to town other than tunneling me for "not contributing". I need to read SP and Yamato better due to this. Oh NOES I am pursuing my top scum read again. Holy shit guise. I must be scummer. OMGUS away buddy, | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato You think scum wouldn't have a similar reaction to you? I hate to be harsh, but it's not like you push town agendas in your town-games very frequently. Also, Shaio making a list post is not a town tell. So I should think Shaio is scum for thinking the same things as me, a town player? That doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Also how do I look townie and push scum objectives at the same time, Hapa? Earlier you had a meta read on me because I "look townie" in YANMM but you seem to think I push scum objectives? I'm not sure I follow that line of reasoning either. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:54 yamato77 wrote: So I should think Shaio is scum for thinking the same things as me, a town player? That doesn't make sense to me. What prevents a scum from thinking the same way as you (if you're town)? The similarities in your thought processes have no relevance to his alignment, since we don't know if the players he's giving his thoughts on are scum or town. What if one of your town reads is scum, or if one of your scum reads is town? A mafia would be happy to think they way you are thinking. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:57 yamato77 wrote: EBWOP Also how do I look townie and push scum objectives at the same time, Hapa? Earlier you had a meta read on me because I "look townie" in YANMM but you seem to think I push scum objectives? I'm not sure I follow that line of reasoning either. I thought I made it clear. I'm very null on you, because I have conflicting reads on you. I think most of that is due to your RL business, which has made it hard for me to get a good feel for your gameplay. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:57 Hapahauli wrote: What prevents a scum from thinking the same way as you (if you're town)? The similarities in your thought processes have no relevance to his alignment, since we don't know if the players he's giving his thoughts on are scum or town. What if one of your town reads is scum, or if one of your scum reads is town? A mafia would be happy to think they way you are thinking. I suppose that makes sense but most people who think like me are town in my experience. I'll reconsider my read. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
That kind of reminds me, you are making many of the same reads I am. It happened with Xatalos, and now with ShiaoPi, in which you came with a questionable town read on SP after I hinted that I thought the same. I kinda feel like you are sheeping me. Who is your top scum read atm? | ||
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Hapahauli
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