British Empire Mini Mafia - Page 37

On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you.

On January 08 2013 08:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I do think the named vt should claim. Roleblock claims are iffy. Hapa dies tomorrow night anyway so they arent in danger of NK really.

On January 08 2013 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:


Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment.

On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.

First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement!
Moving on to some housekeeping:
DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.

I am interested currently in these people:
yamato
Xatalos
MrZ

yamato:
There are many things which would probably be me reiterating stuff that was mentioned (discrepancy in behaviour as hapa said). Not being really present, throwing votes around with little reasoning. But that can be explained by his lack of time due to RL business. could really use more analysis and reasoning from him.

Xatalos:
I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait. That is because he is hesitating a lot, laying out a lot of his thoughts in the thread and therefore opening himself up for harsh critique if he changes his mind and posts it. His lack of any stance is alarming though. While it is somewhat just his playstyle (IIRC) I still dislike it a lot, I mean day 1 has been going for quite a long time now already, while we did not get more information through lynching there is still a lot of content to search through and find something.

MrZ:
He is useless, which is stupidly just his meta with the lightheartedness he has shown. I don't like useless people but cannot condemn him based on this.

Actually I started this post with wanting to lynch into Xata/yamato preferrably yamato but now that I am writing those reads feel just unsatisfying...There is nothing really much that distinguishes one option from the other. I am reluctant to lynch yamato since he seems legitimately busy, also relcutant to lynch Xata for just playing as he does (same goes for MrZ).
Somehow this day 1 has not been really productive >_>

On January 06 2013 19:11 ShiaoPi wrote:
@yamato:
While I like you doing more analysis, there is some stuff I do not agree with. Especially the first post you quoted with the guidelines on time. Hapa actually wanted a self-imposed deadline of 72h, which is something I did not agree to. So taking that quote from Zentor out of context makes it seem as it were all the time pushing for lynching somebody to end it the day. That is simply wrong. I can also sympathise with his sentiment that we really should start consolidating on someone by now. A much longer day 1 has negative effect on us imo.
You are right when you say that his play is not necessarily pro-town by now. But I can understand where he comes from to a certain degree, which explains why I said earlier that I am torn on all my candidates for today's lynch.

@Xatalos:
Nice that you have popped in, but not only are you dead wrong on me but your case is crap. I expected more than cherrypicking my filter for bits you can build something on.

I cannot even fathom how you critisize me for putting a vote on Rise as pressure when he had done jackshit at that moment.
The next two quotes are an answer to a question I was asked to. I was asked who the other options of mine were, I responded. Don't even see what is wrong with them as if you have studied my filter it is pretty clear why I listed each of them.
Now towards my stances being neutral and weak is stupid as shit. I posted my thoughts on the players I found suspicious at the moment and pressured them when they were around see the entire dialogue between me and yamato just above.
As icing on the cake you take a game from almost half a year back (which was also one of my newbie games) as a "meta-argument". That is a nice example of false usage of meta-arguments. If you want to study my meta at least take the most recent game in which I was town (which is LVII if I recall correctly) and compare it to this game...

This is just terribly bad and feels forced.

##vote: Xatalos

On January 08 2013 08:22 DarthPunk wrote:

how the fuck are roleblock claims iffy? and how do you know hapa will die tomorrow night?

On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:


So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information.
I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do).

@Mr.CC
It's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum?

On January 08 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Because scum can fakeclaim being roleblocked? I've seen my scumbuddy do it in my only scumgame.

And because doctors can't heal the same target twice. This is assuming Hapa was shot, of course. I'm pretty sure he was and protected, it's the easiest explanation. What doctor wouldn't protect Hapa?

On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:


So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information.
I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do).

@Mr.CC
It's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum?

On January 08 2013 08:26 Z-BosoN wrote:


If scum fakes roleblock claim, the named VT will know it's bullshit.

On January 08 2013 08:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


I don't like the fact that he just shows up randomly minutes after the lynch and 180's his reads on me and Xatalos. It doesn't make him scum, though. He's one of the more townier people so I definitely wouldn't lynch him today.

On January 08 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Because scum can fakeclaim being roleblocked? I've seen my scumbuddy do it in my only scumgame.

And because doctors can't heal the same target twice. This is assuming Hapa was shot, of course. I'm pretty sure he was and protected, it's the easiest explanation. What doctor wouldn't protect Hapa?

On January 08 2013 08:26 Hapahauli wrote:


Oh you bet I'll be dishing out information. I just need to see people taking some initiative right now. I don't want people sheeping me. I need to see who's pushing reads for what reasons and why.

On January 08 2013 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:


When did I reverse my read on Xatalos?
I never thought you a strong town to begin with, and I like DP's case a lot. Please answer my questions
I showed up because I got caught up in traffic. Why would I make a post saying I'd post my reads before deadline and not do so? Do you doubt this? If not, what's the point of asking?

On January 08 2013 08:29 Z-BosoN wrote:


I'll be the new hapa then :D

On January 08 2013 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:


What scum would shoot hapa in a setup in which it's quite likely he is protected? For that reason it is entirely plausible that both scum and the medic chose a secondary target.