EPT2. Another thing in the rules: Don't talk about this game outside of the thread. Keep everything right here.
OP is still an useful post toi read
Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIV - Page 49
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Dandel Ion
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OP is still an useful post toi read | ||
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Spaghetticus
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iamperfection
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On January 12 2013 00:31 Dandel Ion wrote: Is it? I don't think it was during my newbies, so it gotta be pretty new as a true rule. Hm, I guess that's my bad on the OP, but it wasn't in the rules for this game, so yeah. Just remember it's forbidden in future newbies then~ in my newbies i got yelled at it for doing it and in another it was determined to be fine so i dont know what the real rule is. I agree with marv though you should pretend the coaches don't exist | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On January 12 2013 01:10 Spaghetticus wrote: Oh you mean he was talking about talking about being town in this game, in another game? Nevermind then. Yup. Multiple times. | ||
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marvellosity
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Dandel Ion
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On January 12 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote: The real rule is what I said. I didn't say it for funsies. I would believe you, but I'm not sure if you're scum. | ||
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marvellosity
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Dandel Ion
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Yay! | ||
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Spaghetticus
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Spaghetticus
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Rad
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091¤tpage=46#918 | ||
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Spaghetticus
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Mocsta
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On January 12 2013 00:16 Dandel Ion wrote: 3) Mocsta: STOP BREAKING RULES FFS Not every host is as incredibly lenient as I am. You could get modkilled for the first transgression, especially if it's not a newbie game. I have been amazingly patient with you, .... Yes, you were very patient. I appreciate it, and have learnt my lessons. Thank you for not modkilling me. | ||
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zarepath
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Aquanim
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 (Note: Since I've never actually played as scum, I'm not going to talk about the mafia's play, and whatever I have to say in general is probably rubbish too) Day One My impression of day one was that town suffered from a lack of direction. None of the townies really managed to persuade enough of the others to align on a single wagon for most of the day, which meant that no-one got pressured much. Crucially, it also meant that Sylencia and Temil somehow both ended up on their own dead-end wagon, avoiding all blame for the day one lynch, without getting called out on it. If scum aren't forced to commit to anything then it becomes much, much harder to catch them. In fact, I think this is the answer to the question that keeps getting batted around at the start of newbies: what makes a good day one for town? In my view, a good day one is at least partially formed from a strong, logical wagon, where scum have to decide "Do I hop on this wagon or not"? If another good wagon forms, and scum have to decide whether to jump ship or stick on the first one, so much the better. If there are good wagons going, scum sitting on the sidelines will stick out like a sore thumb. Regardless of how much lurkers are told to post, if they aren't given any space in which to make their own original arguments and to apply pressure of their own they're not going to say much. Watching what a player chooses to do on their own initiative is a very useful tactic. I'm not saying "don't pressure people who aren't posting", I'm saying "don't say everything there is to be said about the thread". There's only so much you can learn from their answers to questions. Night One NK on Corazon was solid. Corazon might not have been the most active town, but he was (IMO) the most focused. Scum RB on Omni was obviously inspired. Day Two Oh dear, the Spaghetticus lynch. The Jampi case wasn't good either, but the Spag lynch... oh man. Previous to Spag's claim, Zarepath's case wasn't bad. Spaghetticus was indeed talking a lot but committing very little day one. This may be Spag's town style, but it's still easy for scum to hide behind and should still be called out. Calling someone out for bad logic is pretty dicey though... I've already seen town say a LOT of silly things in my two games. Hell, some of those things were said by me. To illustrate this: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2013 22:48 Spaghetticus wrote: For those reading, Mocsta just tried to misquote me on a past game. Instead of quoting me denouncing unconfident play, he quoted a guy called Chromatically denouncing MY unconfident play. He tried to sell you evidence of me adhering to my accepted meta as reasons why I am not. The number of mistakes Mocsta is making is astonishing. Mocsta, if you do not slow down you are going to make a case for us. If you are town you need to think through your posts. If you are a lying town then you are doing it badly. I have no idea how you could misquote me like that by accident, even with the standard errata at the top telling us that it was written by me. If you want absolute proof that my version of events is correct go HERE and search "Good towns can find scum d1. Good players can be correct in their reads with over "40%" certainty." You will find that Mocsta has somehow got mixed up, and accidentally made a forgery of a quote by Chromatically . He even had the gall to gloat at my incompetence. But this does not make sense. Unless a scum Mocsta genuinely thought scum were losing at this point, why would he take the risk of forging a quote? My head is melting... I need some time to think... I know how tempting it is to lynch a blue claim; I wanted to lynch doctor Oats in XXXI, and that would have been a really, really bad move. Even so, unless they've been counterclaimed or they physically cannot be what they claim to be, you really shouldn't lynch them. The only slightly good reason to doubt the cop claim was that there was only one roleblock claim - if there's a cop, then there are either zero or two players capable of roleblocking. However, there's obviously more than one way for there to be only one roleblock. Why would scum Spaghetticus claim cop if he knew it could be disproved? So.. on the first night, if I was such a scare to you.. why would you check zarepath out of all people.. God cop play would have been to check me, if you thought I was leading the discussions. and from your post history, it suggests you did think i was leading the discussoin. Three things to say about this:
Checking Mocsta would be a bad play because I both expected him to die, and because he was expected to run himself into the ground if he was scum This. On January 08 2013 08:29 OmniEulogy wrote: wait you're right Mocsta. He kept saying Zare was one of the three people he suspected... ##Unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus That's enough to make me believe he's fake claiming. I'll keep going through to find all of it and post it for you. Spaghetticus saying that he still suspected Zarepath after he checked him is a little odd, but hardly a scumslip. If he'd suddenly flipped his read on Zarepath it would have looked really weird. Again, why would scum Spaghetticus claim he'd checked Zarepath if he'd known it would make him look inconsistent? Night Two I'm still not sure I understand why both RB-ing and NK-ing Omni was a good idea, but apparently it was. I wouldn't mind being enlightened on this point. Day Three Marvellosity pretty much said it all here: As for the final day, I said it in obsQT - you need to spend a fair amount of time on the guy you DON'T think you're lynching. Sylencia was let completely off the hook by the obsession with jampi, he didn't have to do anything! jampi proceeded to make one of the best posts in the game regarding Sylencia's voting, to be greeted by stony silence or 'we need further analysis'. I'll quote something I said in obs, if you haven't read it: Which of these situations is more likely with regard to day 1 lynch: 1) (Syl scum, Jampi town) Temil wanders into thread and thinks "Well, obviously I should vote with my buddy because that's who Syl wants lynched" 2) (Syl town, Jampi scum) Temil wanders into thread and thinks "Hey, I'll vote for my scumbuddy! lololol" Scum typically don't sheep their buddies... but then again scum don't typically bus with no reason either. This was a choice between two unlikely possibilities, but given Temil's approach to the game I thought the first was pretty clearly indicated. Also, I thought Jampidampi had a great deal more conviction and belief in what he said all game, despite his lower activity early on. I'd prefer not to jump the gun on whatever Prom has to say about the questions he raised in the obs QT regarding the evidence for making reads on Jampi and Syl. (Though I might be able to guess what he'll say.) As for individual comments, since a lot of you are more experienced than me I'll pass  Unfortunately, this has just turned into a rant about the last two lynches >.> Can someone come and write a proper postgame? | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
And I was pretty lazy on the final day as far as my analysis went. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
The blocker blocks, the goon shoots, and it's a sure kill. Plus you could even fakeclaim being roleblocked. €: not to mention, the cop was already lynched, so no danger, of anything blue happening | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
As you say there's no point in RBing anyone else (unless someone else is JK and blocked Omni night one, too) | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Spaghetticus
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For those reading, Mocsta just tried to misquote me on a past game. Instead of quoting me denouncing unconfident play, he quoted a guy called Chromatically denouncing MY unconfident play. He tried to sell you evidence of me adhering to my accepted meta as reasons why I am not. The number of mistakes Mocsta is making is astonishing. Mocsta, if you do not slow down you are going to make a case for us. If you are town you need to think through your posts. If you are a lying town then you are doing it badly. I have no idea how you could misquote me like that by accident, even with the standard errata at the top telling us that it was written by me. If you want absolute proof that my version of events is correct go HERE and search "Good towns can find scum d1. Good players can be correct in their reads with over "40%" certainty." You will find that Mocsta has somehow got mixed up, and accidentally made a forgery of a quote by Chromatically . He even had the gall to gloat at my incompetence. But this does not make sense. Unless a scum Mocsta genuinely thought scum were losing at this point, why would he take the risk of forging a quote? My head is melting... I need some time to think... Is that quote by me illustrating a point I made that was nonsense, or illustrating that what Mocsta misquoted was nonsense? I have a feeling it's the former, but I would like to know for certain. If my post was the nonsense, what in particular about it is nonsensical to you? Regarding the cop lynch, I understand I made some BIIIIIG fuckups. It wasn't the right call to lynch me, but at the time I actually agreed that I deserved to be lynched on merit of the faux pas count. Town didn't think the math through, but I completely understand just how confusing I was being with the name confusions etc. | ||
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