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On January 30 2013 23:54 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Marvellosity lurking through D1: MTG Mini Mafia I (lurked through the whole game. Toad posted. Verdict: scum. There was another game, but I can't remember which one. You lurked through D1 and were scum. It was before CT and I didn't play in it. I tried searching through your profile, but I can only get it to show the last 10 pages of posts (might be date limited) and have no clue how to search for older posts. Also, the defense that you are never suspected D1 as scum is a complete non-sequitur. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether you are scum this game. Are you seriously trying to say that because we suspect you of being scum, you can't be scum. Is that REALLY your defense? /Acro
I was playing on a hydra and I let Toad play for me because I felt too lost? Must do better, Acro, especially as it's the same game type as this one and I'm evidently far more interested here. Really weak.
This other game you're probably referring to is GSL3, where I was simply away for the first 24 hours but still racked up a 6+ page filter by the end of Day 1.
My last mafia game I had a 20+ page filter in a mini, probably the longest mafia filter in TL history. Lurking is not my mafia MO.
l2meta
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Also, could other players respond if they agree or disagree with Aperture and why.
/Oats
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I don't distinguish null tells from fluff. That's a waste of time.
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But it isnt fluff.
More QQ was inappropriate and uncalled for and I am sorry for that
/Oats
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On January 31 2013 00:00 BinOnFire wrote:
Also, could other players respond if they agree or disagree with Aperture and why.
/Oats
You can be pretty flipfloppy as both town and mafia, so I don't read too much into it. (referring to the class B tell, apparently the strongest one)
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On January 31 2013 00:04 BinOnFire wrote:
But it isnt fluff.
More QQ was inappropriate and uncalled for and I am sorry for that
/Oats
Lying is also scummy behavior. Don't tell me you're sorry lol. A) I don't believe you and B) I don't care.
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Seeing as pretty much all the tells come from Oats' behaviour, I have to tentatively disagree.
If we tell you that Oats is rather newbie, does that change your verdict in any way?
Some things you have down as strong tells I really don't agree with.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2013 12:48 BinOnFire wrote:
Did you not say that only scummy players contribute mana towards Minds Aglow?
Then you said that it gives them a chance to look 'townie'
Also, yes town can actually have some teeth, but this is also good for scum in the sense that a Vig is good for scum. More often than not, Vig's shoot town. Same with lynches.
I would think that scum would want to get enough 'power' to 1 shot people as fast as possible to reduce the number of townies, thats why the card is also good for them
/Oats
You give them 7 scum points for this, yet I don't see anything except someone being wrong in a weird way.
I do agree with you that it is weird that their whole deck idea is supposedly based around getting everybody up to speed fast, yet Oats is apparently totally not on-board with that plan. Did you guys not discuss the deck beforehand? But is this a scumtell? Or just someone not understanding what the deck is about?
I personally didn't have Bin down as town yet, mainly because I feel he could not play his deck any other way and he doesn't done much in the scumhunting department, but I don't have a scum read on him for the things you bring up.
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EBWOP: it's Acro, Dandel isn't around insofar as I know.
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Nice work, grok/aperture
pretty impressed with the effort. Hope it was fun for you 
This is setting a high standard for analysis.
I must admit I kinda missed the link at first too when I glanced over it. Never seen the spreadsheet approach before.
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On January 31 2013 00:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Seeing as pretty much all the tells come from Oats' behaviour, I have to tentatively disagree. If we tell you that Oats is rather newbie, does that change your verdict in any way? Some things you have down as strong tells I really don't agree with. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2013 12:48 BinOnFire wrote:
Did you not say that only scummy players contribute mana towards Minds Aglow?
Then you said that it gives them a chance to look 'townie'
Also, yes town can actually have some teeth, but this is also good for scum in the sense that a Vig is good for scum. More often than not, Vig's shoot town. Same with lynches.
I would think that scum would want to get enough 'power' to 1 shot people as fast as possible to reduce the number of townies, thats why the card is also good for them
/Oats You give them 7 scum points for this, yet I don't see anything except someone being wrong in a weird way. I do agree with you that it is weird that their whole deck idea is supposedly based around getting everybody up to speed fast, yet Oats is apparently totally not on-board with that plan. Did you guys not discuss the deck beforehand? But is this a scumtell? Or just someone not understanding what the deck is about? I personally didn't have Bin down as town yet, mainly because I feel he could not play his deck any other way and he doesn't done much in the scumhunting department, but I don't have a scum read on him for the things you bring up.
There's a reason this post is scummy:
"Did you not say that only scummy players contribute mana towards Minds Aglow?
Then you said that it gives them a chance to look 'townie'
Also, yes town can actually have some teeth, but this is also good for scum in the sense that a Vig is good for scum. More often than not, Vig's shoot town. Same with lynches.
I would think that scum would want to get enough 'power' to 1 shot people as fast as possible to reduce the number of townies, thats why the card is also good for them
/Oats"
Translation:
- You said MA helps scum look towny
- Vigis are anti-town
- Scum want MA into Collective Voyage
And this is IMMEDIATELY after saying that MA is good.
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So what do you think about it?
And note that my response to the Strongest point, flip-flopping,
is cause Im quoting another players words by bolding them
Also Aperture, what do you have to say about that?
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On January 31 2013 00:38 BinOnFire wrote:
So what do you think about it?
And note that my response to the Strongest point, flip-flopping,
is cause Im quoting another players words by bolding them
Also Aperture, what do you have to say about that?
Find me an example, or you've got nothing.
And don't quote by bolding ever again, who taught you that awful habit...
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On January 31 2013 00:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Seeing as pretty much all the tells come from Oats' behaviour, I have to tentatively disagree.
If we tell you that Oats is rather newbie, does that change your verdict in any way?
Some things you have down as strong tells I really don't agree with.
You give them 7 scum points for this, yet I don't see anything except someone being wrong in a weird way.
I do agree with you that it is weird that their whole deck idea is supposedly based around getting everybody up to speed fast, yet Oats is apparently totally not on-board with that plan. Did you guys not discuss the deck beforehand? But is this a scumtell? Or just someone not understanding what the deck is about?
I personally didn't have Bin down as town yet, mainly because I feel he could not play his deck any other way and he doesn't done much in the scumhunting department, but I don't have a scum read on him for the things you bring up.
Wishy-washy as fuck post.
'I dont think he is scum, blablabla,
What you say is accurate, but it could make him both scum and town, blablabla
I dont think he is town cause his deck is town favoured but he has been useless.'
Uhuh Acro.
Ok this sounds to me that you have a scum read for a different reason. Care to share?
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2013 21:14 BinOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 21:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well the point of my policy is to find the lowest poster and DISCUSS whether we hit him or not.
The lowest poster thing is not objective, town can make quality posts and scum can make quantity posts. So we go up the line and find the scummiest person, using Lowest post count as a guideline rather than our 'feel' Well Crossfire's entrance is similar to marvs, I think this is weird though I only think a few mana total should be used on it because I don't think it is wise to discard so many cards because that's wasteful. And then he never mentions that again, even though I feel that its a good point if a bit vague, which means that he shouldve discussed it. I get generally noobness feel from him, not alignment indicative though On January 29 2013 13:59 BinOnFire wrote:
Dude, did you even read my post? I don't mention zombies at all. In fact, I talk in general terms. Stronger everybody = good for town.
Of course you dont want to say that you are a selfish bastard.
I agree that the more cards you get, and the more mana you can play, the better it is for you. Also better for scum.
Town getting stronger is better because scum already start with a big fat 8/8 monster.
HOWEVER what I am saying is that its not objectively good for town.
There are pro's and con's for playing that card and all you seem to be doing is saying how good it is for town.
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On January 31 2013 00:41 BinOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 00:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Seeing as pretty much all the tells come from Oats' behaviour, I have to tentatively disagree.
If we tell you that Oats is rather newbie, does that change your verdict in any way?
Some things you have down as strong tells I really don't agree with.
You give them 7 scum points for this, yet I don't see anything except someone being wrong in a weird way.
I do agree with you that it is weird that their whole deck idea is supposedly based around getting everybody up to speed fast, yet Oats is apparently totally not on-board with that plan. Did you guys not discuss the deck beforehand? But is this a scumtell? Or just someone not understanding what the deck is about?
I personally didn't have Bin down as town yet, mainly because I feel he could not play his deck any other way and he doesn't done much in the scumhunting department, but I don't have a scum read on him for the things you bring up. Wishy-washy as fuck post. 'I dont think he is scum, blablabla, What you say is accurate, but it could make him both scum and town, blablabla I dont think he is town cause his deck is town favoured but he has been useless.' Uhuh Acro. Ok this sounds to me that you have a scum read for a different reason. Care to share?
No. I have a null read on you.
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Here, I'll elaborate.
I thought you were an aggressive little townie noob, although Dandel Ion said you had jumped out of the starting blocks aggressively before as scum. However, you kept up the style and that was okay for me to write you off into the "look into later category" because there are people I think are scummier than you.
I then looked over iGrok's analysis and kinda disagree on calling you scummy for the stuff he calls you scum about, so I said that. That doesn't make you town, it just keeps me on my null read of you.
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On January 31 2013 00:44 BinOnFire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2013 21:14 BinOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 21:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well the point of my policy is to find the lowest poster and DISCUSS whether we hit him or not.
The lowest poster thing is not objective, town can make quality posts and scum can make quantity posts. So we go up the line and find the scummiest person, using Lowest post count as a guideline rather than our 'feel' Well Crossfire's entrance is similar to marvs, I think this is weird though I only think a few mana total should be used on it because I don't think it is wise to discard so many cards because that's wasteful. And then he never mentions that again, even though I feel that its a good point if a bit vague, which means that he shouldve discussed it. I get generally noobness feel from him, not alignment indicative though On January 29 2013 13:59 BinOnFire wrote:
Dude, did you even read my post? I don't mention zombies at all. In fact, I talk in general terms. Stronger everybody = good for town.
Of course you dont want to say that you are a selfish bastard.
I agree that the more cards you get, and the more mana you can play, the better it is for you. Also better for scum.
Town getting stronger is better because scum already start with a big fat 8/8 monster.
HOWEVER what I am saying is that its not objectively good for town.
There are pro's and con's for playing that card and all you seem to be doing is saying how good it is for town.
First one, you say that the bold is a good point.
Second one now feels less flippy and more just like a parrot of what I and I think CH were saying earlier.
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Just playing the devil's advocate in that whole series of posts.
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By Good point, I mean discussion worthy. BUT NOO HE JUST SHUTS UP AND LEAVES.
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On January 31 2013 00:51 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Here, I'll elaborate.
I thought you were an aggressive little townie noob, although Dandel Ion said you had jumped out of the starting blocks aggressively before as scum. However, you kept up the style and that was okay for me to write you off into the "look into later category" because there are people I think are scummier than you.
I then looked over iGrok's analysis and kinda disagree on calling you scummy for the stuff he calls you scum about, so I said that. That doesn't make you town, it just keeps me on my null read of you.
To expand, he opened agressively as scum and got lynched on day 1 because his scum was so obvious.
A point that's not worth much, since I have to assume he improved his play since then. So that doesn't make him town, it's a null tell.
--> null read.
Oats, it would do you well to actually read posts (WHOLE posts) instead of just bolding some sentences you don't like and going all passive-aggressive on them.
~dandel
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