EPT1. They didn't want me potentially protting Palmar
2. They didn't want me shooting/checking someone
3. No better targets
#1 and 3 are w/e, but #2 makes Promethelax look pretty bad.
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
1. They didn't want me potentially protting Palmar 2. They didn't want me shooting/checking someone 3. No better targets #1 and 3 are w/e, but #2 makes Promethelax look pretty bad. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I was hoping that Viax would flip scum RB so that scum would be forced to shoot Morb since the kid was totally useless and wasted a town power role but Morb sorted that out for us. No shit the n1 RB on you was from a scum RB, it means either that you are scum or that scum thought RBing was worthwhile. It is a point in your favour as I fucking said in the post you are replying to. And no, we know that there is a scum roleblocker because the cop was RB'd every night. Confirmed cop roleblocked into oblivion. Clearly not a town RB'r. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On January 01 2013 00:02 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree with you that he has not actually said much of anything of substance. Every time he posts, it seems like he has avoided putting forth a proper opinion. There are two problems: the Wiggles stuff as I mentioned already, and the fact that the way this game has gone, it is not terribly surprising why it would be difficult to come up with concrete opinions about scum. The weird thing is that there are plus points for all 3 of stutters, sciberbia, and Prom. Sciberbia is most likely to be town IMO of those 3. Between stutters and Prom, stutters was second to last on Wiggles, and he's done nothing either. He also seems to have played out of his town meta. The biggest problem here is that he was pretty against vivax over the past day or so. (again, possible that they simply wanted to kill each other to maximize the chance that one of them wins solo) For Promethelax he just did enough to appear town, and I agree with you that it is strange that he is aware of that himself. I need to reread his past games more carefully to actually tell whether he is playing out of his town meta, though. I'd say I was one of the first people to really push for vivax to be lynched (d2). Regarding wiggles and this association business with prom I disagree with your analysis of zell/wiggles interaction. It's a null tell to me because d1 zell had 3 posts and got replaced. He's an easy target for major if he's town and if he's scum and got replaced it should be obvious that pressuring/lynching a useless scum could be a good way to get town-cred. Without sacrificing long term chances. Agreed about feeling bugs is near confirmed. Unless you think he is the rb and didn't use his power night 1 which would really be a stretch given that mafia would believe this was a c9 setup and would know that town had a mix of 5-7 letters worth of blues. Iirc after iamps flip I checked his filter and there was something that he implied a n1 jail on Palmar(not that it wasn't an obvious play anyway). Not sure how a rb on vivax is a point in favour of me being town either. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On January 01 2013 04:00 wherebugsgo wrote: also I've been pondering about why I would have been roleblocked, and there are only really two or three good explanations for that: 1. They didn't want me potentially protting Palmar 2. They didn't want me shooting/checking someone 3. No better targets #1 and 3 are w/e, but #2 makes Promethelax look pretty bad. What about number 2 makes prom look bad? That you wanted to kill Zell d1? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
It should be easy for him to actually make a case on one of you at this point but he isn't. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Yam, your case is in fact terrible. You cannot use my meta and, if you had read my past town games you would know that. The only response to your case I can make is that it is bad. As you say, you have tunnelled me all game and you are full of confirmation bias. Remember the game you just got mod killed in? The one where you tunnelled Kier forever for a dumb reason? This is just like that. I'm town and you want me to be scum so you are calling me scum. That doesn't make it true. Stutters, the scum team knew that one of you or Vivax was going to be role blocked by Imp. The fact that Vivax was not carrying the kill is a point in your favour since if you we're scum with Vivax there is about a fifty percent chance that Viv would have been carrying the NK. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
My case is not bad. I read your filter that game you posted and it's exactly what you've done this game, and indeed exactly what you are doing right now. In Parallel, I did not "tunnel Keir". I was wrong in my conclusion but that was based on the themed nature of the game and my unfamiliarity with it. You using that to attack my conclusions here is pathetic. Most of this game people have had a town read on you. Why? You've been more useless than Bugs. Your best idea was to lynch a mod kill. It is a sign of my respect for you that I tell you you're not playing like a townie. This is scum Prom. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 01 2013 07:11 Promethelax wrote: I don't need to find out which one is scum. What I need to do is ensure that I don't get mislynched because town cannot afford that. I think this proves you're the last scum. Any town in this situation wants to kill the last scum, because there's only one lynch left. The fact that your only concern is staying alive means you're scum. GG scum. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
You are right, I now have to figure out which of stutters/bugs is scum but you know what, I wasn't planning on Morb getting modkilled. I was planning on an easy one two three scum/scum/town in whatever order. But I don't have the time right now. I'm back in town with my young lady and my job. I'll add some more in 12 hours when I get home. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On January 01 2013 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote: I think this proves you're the last scum. Any town in this situation wants to kill the last scum, because there's only one lynch left. The fact that your only concern is staying alive means you're scum. GG scum. You are wrong. Lynch me and town has lost the game. Talk to you all in twelve hours. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
If you're town I hope you can win this game for us but I really don't think you are. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On January 01 2013 07:33 Promethelax wrote: You are wrong. Lynch me and town has lost the game. Talk to you all in twelve hours. So show us who you think the scum is. If it was either you or bugs only proving you're town could work, but you're just saying you're town when from my perspective, it could be you, scib, or bugs and I wouldn't be surprised. I do think a no-lynch today bears some merit since we're definitely losing yomato so we can force the scum to kill one of us off or just give us an extra day. What concerns me about that though is scib isn't active at all now and if he survives and is town we're putting our faith in his reading without any guarantee as to what he's read. I'd assume he's been keeping up our at least would read closely in lylo and the benefit of having a 2-1 seems worth it. Anyway, happy New year's everyone. I'll be here on and off for a few more hours then mia until the inevitable hangover subsides. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On January 01 2013 07:33 Promethelax wrote: You are wrong. Lynch me and town has lost the game. Talk to you all in twelve hours. So show us who you think the scum is. If it was either you or bugs only proving you're town could work, but you're just saying you're town when from my perspective, it could be you, scib, or bugs and I wouldn't be surprised. I do think a no-lynch today bears some merit since we're definitely losing yomato so we can force the scum to kill one of us off or just give us an extra day. What concerns me about that though is scib isn't active at all now and if he survives and is town we're putting our faith in his reading without any guarantee as to what he's read. I'd assume he's been keeping up our at least would read closely in lylo and the benefit of having a 2-1 seems worth it. Anyway, happy New year's everyone. I'll be here on and off for a few more hours then mia until the inevitable hangover subsides. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
First of all, I am not convinced about Prom. A lot of his posts read really townie to me. I don't see any really solid evidence against him. Palmar thought he was town. I think he's town. I agreed with pretty much everything he said yesterday. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll do a full reread of his filter and look at his meta but I don't think I'm going to change my mind on him. Secondly, will you guys stop with this 'bugs is confirmed town' garbage. Scum withold their roleblock all the time. In the last C9++ game I played, which bugs hosted, scum witheld their RB on N1. In the last game I played, scum withheld their roleblock and claimed it themselves on at least one night. The fact that bugs claimed a RB on D2 makes him slightly more likely to be town, but it doesn't make him town. Thirdly, and most importantly, if I get shot tonight, I strongly recommend that you lynch bugs tomorrow. Don't WIFOM and be like 'no but Prom shot Scib to make it look like bugs is mafia'. If Prom is mafia, I can almost guarantee that he decided to shoot yamato, who is the most confirmed townie and also the one with the strongest scumread on Prom. I could maybe see scum stutters shooting me, but I'd expect him to shoot yamato instead. Scum prom definitely would not shoot me as I explained above. Scum yamato actually would shoot me most likely, but I'm pretty sure he's town so whatever. In summary, bugs has good motivation to shoot me and nobody else really does. If I get shot, I strongly recommend that you lynch bugs. If I do not get shot, I'll be able to analyze the NK (most likely yamato) and look at your cases on Prom more closely. However, I can tell you right now that I don't think I'll be changing my mind from bugs. I think we have to lynch him to win the game. Off to a New Year's Eve Party. I'll be back tomorrow. Happy New Year's everyone! | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Why don't I have that read? Consider the possibility before you lose the game. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Day 5 "Oh, hi Santa" said yamato. "Hi yamato" said Santa. "It's 2013 soon. Happy new year, Santa!" "Indeed. Except for you, it's a year of darkness." And Santa gunned him down in cold blood. "Ho ho ho!" yamato77, townie Miller, was killed! It is now Day 5. You have 48 hours to decide your 2013 lynch. Happy new year! | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
GG Town, good luck. | ||
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