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Foolishness
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Foolishness
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Foolishness
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm done spamming now | ||
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Promethelax
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I do not feel the whole interaction feels forced day one, that just means you got better though. Also with the Wiggles day one lynch and his push on Vivax at the end of the day it makes me think that scum may have been trying a three way bus from the start and that makes sense to me from a wiggles,you,Vivax team. No power players who would live to the end game with a masterful bus at some point. Lol @ Fool. | ||
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sciberbia
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my reads Stutters I think I made it clear in my previous post that I'm thinking town on Stutters. + Show Spoiler + So sci, you bring up some good points about a town Stutters. You also being up some really weak points. I think Stutters has enough of an established meta that he would feel compelled to interact with his scumbuddies if he thought he saw something weird in thier filters and, if he is like Mattchew, he would see all the weirdness there. So his unnecessary interaction and questioning of them does not feel in any way like a town tell. How did you find it to be both a compelling point for him to be scum and a point in his favour as town. I am honestly not sure if the two "@" statements should be interpreted as evidence towarard scum Stutters or town Stutters. I can see why you're suspicious, and I don't blame you for interpreting them as evidence of scum Stutters, but don't you think it's a bit too blatant? Do you really think Stutters would be that obvious as scum? As I explained in my previous post, I think the whole interaction with Vivax subsequent to those questions makes me think more townie of Stutters, because I doubt whether Vivax and Wiggles would deem it wise to drag their noob scum partner into the spotlight. bugs I still think bugs is the last scum and I think we have to lynch him tomorrow to win the game. There are several pieces of evidence pointing in that direction - I am reading both Stutters and Prom as more townie than bugs - All of the points I brought up in this post - The point I bring up in this post which has still not been answered. This in particular is a pretty significant piece of evidence IMO. - Palmar decreed that we should lynch bugs in LYLO, and Palmar seems to have been right about pretty much everything Prom I've reread Prom's filter and some of his meta. Rereading his filter, I agree that it's remarkable the number of posts he makes and the number of things he talks about which do not involve his own thoughts on who is scum. This is slightly suspicious. My biggest reason to suspect Prom is actually Zelblade's scummy behavior on D1, but I've been burned on this before, so meh. Anyway, I'm still thinking Prom is town for the same reasons I have since like D3: his activity, effort, and helpfulness. Maybe he's just putting on a great show as scum, but he's more likely town IMO. my current notes Here are all of my notes on the three of you. No reason not to post these now. It's basically just a bunch of things I thought could be significant as I've been reading through your filters this game. I've mentioned a lot of them already in the thread, but maybe they will help you. + Show Spoiler + Promethelax - zelblade was a bit suspicious - asks a bunch of questions with no real scumread (shows effort but meh) - directly calls people bad (townie trait IMO) - only real scumread is on Eywa - votes stutters for lurking - tries to keep debears alive (interesting) - super duper active (townie) - helpful in setup discussions (townie) - bugs I am voting you but if you act nice I'll unvote (a bit scummy) - calls Palmar scum before he dies (townie) - changed his mind from bugs to stutters super fast(a bit suspicious) CONCLUSION: still thinking town stutters - seems frank and honest - posting from phone at start of game (townie) - addresses two scumbuddies (not sure what to think) - vivax drags stutters into the spotlight (makes me think townie) - reaction to Morbidius cop claim is very townie - votes vivax for a long time when he doesn't have to (seems townie) - decent post about Wiggles D1 interactions - prom makes the point that stutters is leaving all his options open (calls scum without calling scum) - agrees that bugs is near confirmed (townie) - apparently is deviating from town meta (a bit worrying) - Palmar wants to lynch him, not quite sure why (also a bit worrying) CONCLUSION: seems townie bugs - suspicious how he is always wrong - roleblock does nothing for me - suspicious how fast he believed Morbidius - not helping town - bad reasoning for voting Morbidius over debears. Maybe he realized the cop claim? - spreadsheet looks townie - a lot of effort overall - switches to debears after Palmar votes him (a bit suspicious) - seeming more townie last few days - switches on vivax right before he gets lynched (suspicious) - says prom is scum CONCLUSION: suspicious Assuming I get shot @bugs, Stutters Whichever one of you is town, please do not lynch prom tomorrow if I get shot. Think about it: why on earth would prom shoot me when both of you have been attacking him and I've been his only defender. It wouldn't make any sense. However, it would make perfect sense for scum Stutters/Bugs to shoot me, and then win the game by lynching Prom in LYLO. Please actually think about this and don't just dismiss it as WIFOM. @Stutters Please get over the idea that bugs is confirmed town based on his claiming roleblock. It's totally concievable. In my few games on TL mafia, I've seen scum withhold roleblocks at least twice already. @Prom Hopefully, something I've said about stutters or bugs will help change your mind. If not, then I hope I'm wrong about Stutters. I don't have much else to say. I strongly suggest that you lynch bugs tomorrow. If we lose this game because you guys lynch Prom after I get shot I'm going to be very sad. Also, please end the day early if you come to a consensus. I think I'll die if I have to wait two more days to find out if we won. | ||
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Promethelax
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LAW-zbQ0-Cw/TuMmItFCUII/AAAAAAAAByU/aXYZzwxsIqY/s1600/Three-Stooges-1.jpg) Nuck, nuck, nuck! Day 6 wherebugsgo, the vanilla townie, was killed! Day 6 starts now. I didn't get PMs from everyone about shortening the day, so unless they are sent in in the next ~3 hours, the day will remain 48 hours. | ||
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sciberbia
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Well if bugs was really town, then I guess now I have to figure out which of you two is the scum. wtf. Prom, if you're town, please explain why you've been lying about your read on Stutters for the past few days. | ||
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Promethelax
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Stutters, sorry I pushed you, I had to do it to catch out scum Sci over here. Now it's on you, vote Sci with me and we win or vote me with him and we lose. | ||
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sciberbia
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+ Show Spoiler + Stutters 1) Prom 2) Scib 3) BUgs (nearly confirmed town) Bugs 1) Prom 2) Stutters 3) Scib Prom 1) Stutters 2) Bugs 3) Scib Scib 1) Bugs 2) Stutters 3) Prom So this is the natural expectation: if scib dies, prom gets lynched if prom dies, ??? gets lynched if bugs dies, stutters gets lynched if stutters dies, bugs gets lynched if bugs is mafia, he 100% shoots scib and likely wins if stutters is mafia, he probably shoots scib and likely wins if prom is mafia, he must shoot bugs or stutters to have a chance to win Why would Stutters shoot bugs? Stutters could have just shot me and lynched prom along with bugs. It seems to me like he would have won if he had done this. By shooting bugs, Stutters would have had to expect to be lynched by myself and Prom, right? It seems like such a worse play than just shooting me and taking the easy win. Why would Prom shoot bugs? Well, if prom shot the person who bugs and stutters suspected the least (me), then I guess he would've most likely ended up being lynched by Bugs and Stutters. So fuck. I guess it only makes sense that Prom is the scum? I literally can't believe these words as I write them. But the fact that he's now voting me and says he's been lying about reads makes it a bit easier to believe, I guess. Stutters, if you're town, I hope to god you make the right decision here. I'm literally going to cry for a week if we lose this game because I get mislynched on the last day. I'm going to look back over the last few days to see if I'm missing anything. | ||
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Keirathi
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Promethelax
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Stutters look, this game is on your shoulders. Sci is the last scum. Please vote him. This night kill only makes sense from a scum Sci, not a scum prox. Look at it. | ||
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Promethelax
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Stutters, you decide, did I piss you off enough to make voting me worth your while? We can win if you will vote Sci with me. Come on, I know you voted for 24 hour days so you must be around today. Vote Sci with me, be the hero of this thread with me. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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sciberbia
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sciberbia
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On January 04 2013 09:42 Promethelax wrote: Nope, you are wrong. Scum me shoots you, bugs has wanted stutters lynched all game. I could have walked to the easy endgame by consistently pushing Stutters. My play is not and cannot be scum motivated. No actually the night kill makes perfect sense from scum promethelax. At this point I'm like 90% sure Prom is the last scum and if he's not then we already lost because he's voting me, so I'm just going to be talking to Stutters @Stutters First of all, please note that promethelax is lying about him 'walking to the easy endgame'. Look at these very recent posts from bugs' filter: + Show Spoiler + On December 30 2012 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: actually upon reading Vivax's past games, he is most definitely playing differently this game than before. I actually like him now as a lynch precisely for that reason. In the context of this game alone he just didn't seem like scum to me. My bad if I have been wrong this entire time. The problem with this though, is that it makes stutters perhaps quite a bit less likely to be scum. I'm not so sure scum would kill each other off in this type of situation. The votes will probably help make sense of that-d1 vivax and stutters were last on the wiggles wagon and a lot of the time at least one scum is on the bus train. (and look at the voters who were NOT on wiggles-all of them are town or SK, and then zelblade who just got replaced out) Supposing stutters is town the strongest chance for scum lies in killing Promethelax, IMO. meh. It's still kinda worrying though, given that stutters is also playing differently from his town meta. Vivax's differences just seem more profound. On December 31 2012 22:16 wherebugsgo wrote: Promethelax has definitely said some weird things over the course of the game. It fits with how I saw zelblade being scum d1, and the problem I had was d2 was wiped completely for me. It also fits with Stutters + Vivax just attacking each other so strongly. His interactions with vivax all game have also been strange. The problem, though, is that I find it hard to believe that wiggles would push for zelblade's lynch on day 1 before he was in danger of dying. He voted both zelblade and vivax. Do you really think he would push both his scumbuddies day 1? On January 01 2013 00:02 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree with you that he has not actually said much of anything of substance. Every time he posts, it seems like he has avoided putting forth a proper opinion. There are two problems: the Wiggles stuff as I mentioned already, and the fact that the way this game has gone, it is not terribly surprising why it would be difficult to come up with concrete opinions about scum. The weird thing is that there are plus points for all 3 of stutters, sciberbia, and Prom. Sciberbia is most likely to be town IMO of those 3. Between stutters and Prom, stutters was second to last on Wiggles, and he's done nothing either. He also seems to have played out of his town meta. The biggest problem here is that he was pretty against vivax over the past day or so. (again, possible that they simply wanted to kill each other to maximize the chance that one of them wins solo) For Promethelax he just did enough to appear town, and I agree with you that it is strange that he is aware of that himself. I need to reread his past games more carefully to actually tell whether he is playing out of his town meta, though. On January 01 2013 04:00 wherebugsgo wrote: also I've been pondering about why I would have been roleblocked, and there are only really two or three good explanations for that: 1. They didn't want me potentially protting Palmar 2. They didn't want me shooting/checking someone 3. No better targets #1 and 3 are w/e, but #2 makes Promethelax look pretty bad. On January 01 2013 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote: I think this proves you're the last scum. Any town in this situation wants to kill the last scum, because there's only one lynch left. The fact that your only concern is staying alive means you're scum. GG scum. Despite what Promethelax said about 'bugs being suspicious of Stutters all game', bugs very clearly was going to push to lynch Prom here in LYLO. Also, you yourself made it clear that you were suspicious of Prom for ignoring yamato's case and for his case against you + Show Spoiler + On January 02 2013 12:10 Stutters695 wrote: Well regarding the @ stuff it does look suspicious in this game since it happened to be on both scum but I have done the @ thing in past games when asking questions. I know not everyone reads the threads fully so they aren't left with an excuse if they ignore the questions that way. D1 especially since there is so much more going on. I'm not eager to rush to a decision because if we're wrong we lose. You'll notice I'm never particularly committal until I'm 100% sold on a scum. Just how I've always played. The thing about wanting him to make a case was because he said he was trying to survive as opposed to find the scum. I think the other questions I've asked speak for themselves on my current view. Its suspicious as fuck to me he avoided Yamato's case until Yamato died. He didn't strongly push for my lynch until Yamato (most vocal supporter of me) was dead. I need to go through his previous games and compare the meta but it feels less like he truly believes I'm scum and that lynching me is more opportunistic. Prom I'll ask you the same thing I asked Vivax when he claimed to have typed stuff then not posted. Why wouldn't you post it? If you believe I'm scum why wouldn't you post everything related to me that you find convincing? It's pretty obvious your case isn't airtight (I used the @ in one of the newbie minis I played, I think the first or second). So let's look at this from Prom's perspective. He knew that I was the obvious person to Night Kill, because nobody was pushing to lynch me. However, he knew that he would very likely lose if he killed me because bugs was obviously going to vote for him (despite his lies to the contrary) and you had stated that you agreed bugs was nearly confirmed town. You had also stated that you were suspicious of Prom. I don't know how Prom can even deny that he would have very likely lost the game by killing me. Both yourself and Bugs were very suspicious of him. Therefore, he knew he had to kill either yourself, Stutters, or Bugs. The problem is that as soon as he doesn't kill me, it becomes clear that neither yourself nor bugs are scum. Because if you or bugs were scum, you would almost surely have shot me and pushed to lynch Prom. I guess Prom knew that I'd figure this out, so this explains why Prom had to say he was lying about his scumread on you, and then push to lynch me. It all fits. It took me about half an hour to figure it out, but I think I finally understand why bugs died. It also makes sense why he chose to kill bugs over you. Bugs had made it much more clear that he would be voting Prom in LYLO. He said, and I quote, "GG, scum". You, on the other hand, said you were not sure who the scum was, and it could be anyone and you would not be surprised. So he knew he'd have a better chance of convincing you to vote me than convincing bugs to vote me. It's actually pretty genius. It was the only play he could make that would give him a good chance of winning the game. I'm praying to God that you don't let him. If you have any questions for me, I'd be more than happy to answer. If you want me to convince you why Prom is more likely to be scum than myself, I can also show you why that is true. Just waiting for you to enter the thread. ##Vote: Promethelax I do not anticipate changing my vote. | ||
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Promethelax
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Sci=scum. Stutters do the right thing. Lynch Sci, lynch scum, win the game for town. I'm around and I'll do whatever you need me to do to convince you that Sci is scum. | ||
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