Not that I'm unhappy with your vote (believe me, I'm ecstatic) But I don't understand. How did you go from not seeing anything about me as 'not scum' to voting for sci? And what can I do to make sure your vote stays there, on scum,

Stutters695

2610 Posts

January 04 2013 19:05 GMT

#1682

Well I was just hoping to bait a reaction of any sort from both of you while I was at work but pretending to be afk to see would be less fruitful than actually discussing now that I'm off. I want to know what you see in him that makes him scummier than I. What made you decide he was probably scum other than speculation about how the host would balance/wifom from a SK who was trying to appear valuable to the town.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

January 04 2013 19:06 GMT

#1683

##unvote

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 19:41 GMT

#1684

It was dibbers who made me look again. Not dibbers who convinced me,

I look at things as a scum player and realized that with our kill bugs/Vivax/you plan scum would have conceded if you we're scum with Vivax. Because there would have been no way for you to win. It was that, in conjunction with the fact that I actually haven't found you scummy for a while that suggested to me that you were the last mislynched and not the last scum. Because I felt that scum was playing the game to lynch you in the end so I made a case against you, my best town read, to make sure we were the guys who would be in Lylo with scum Sci. Honestly it was mostly gut feeling.

It is the night kill that convinced me that Sci was the scum. Which is why I made my gambit. I hadn't looked at him since day one and the wiggles lynch, but he hadn't stuck out to me since that point. I often look for scum by see who I hadn't noticed for a while, who was flying under the radar and Sci was that guy.

Sci has been coasting the whole game on his day one play. I've been under pressure all game because of zel's day one play.

I decided that Sci was scum because he was flying under the radar, because of the night kill and because I didn't think you were scum.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 20:02 GMT

#1685

Stutters are you around? You need to vote, a no vote is as bad as a vote for the townie between me and Sci.
Deadline is soon. Vote for the guy you think is scum.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

January 04 2013 20:17 GMT

#1686

I'm around. I'll be here until lynch. Still reading filters however. ##vote: promethlax

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

January 04 2013 20:26 GMT

#1687

Vote Count!

Promethelax (2) - sciberbia, Stutters695
sciberbia (1) - Promethelax

Promethelax is currently set to be lynched. Day ends in 3.5 hours!

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 20:42 GMT

#1688

Well, I'm town. You are making the wrong call.

Look at sci's play today, the guy is angry that I'm calling him scum. That is a scummer trying to appear townie not a townie reaction.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

January 04 2013 20:54 GMT

#1689

Hopefully my phone doesn't die before I make it home. Just finished reading all your past filters prom.

If I was scum though, why would I concede when I would have been bussing vivax all game. If it was the case in that position i'd be doing nearly the exact same things I have been doing from d3 on whereVivax's flip has made me appear more town. I certainly wouldn't shoot bugs and I would push him as the mislynch due to that flip on his vivax stance when vivax was a pretty obvious choice. Unless you disagree with my points on vivax and think that was falsified a vivax/myself scum team wouldn't be fucked unless I flipped first. Sure I'd probably lose from inexperience, but it wouldn't be via association as much as it would scummier posting that would give me away if I was last scum. Obviously you don't know my play/what I would do as scum since there is still nothing to compare it to but there are an awful lot of coincidences that have to align perfectly for your conclusions about the endgame to make sense. I'm not ruling it out as a possibility but this reasoning alone means next to nothing to me in terms of figuring this game out.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 21:05 GMT

#1690

Okay I've been reading Sci's filer from I can't believe (which I have read before, which is why I looked at that game) he has a 10 page filter, he uses a bunch of one liners and is reactionary and involved. In this game he makes big cases and isn't in the thread.
Sci is not playing his town game here. He is playing a great scum game but he isn't town.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 21:07 GMT

#1691

On July 21 2012 06:52 sciberbia wrote:
What I really don't get is why Mattchew continues to bus his teammates as scum if not only does it lose him teammates, but people also find him MORE suspicious for doing it.

If I ever roll scum (not likely) and bus one of my teammates, I'd at least hope to get some mega-serious townie-cred out of it.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

January 04 2013 21:14 GMT

#1692

Also when did you start thinking I was town?

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 21:24 GMT

#1693

I have become more confident as the game progressed. Was the most sure during our no-lynch day. It just didn't make sense to me that you were scum with Vivax and wiggles.

I know you don't agree with me but Imp's post on you and Vivax made me think of you as likier town than scum. Since that post I've been thinking bout it.

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

January 04 2013 21:26 GMT

#1694

This is my town game. Stutters, read my filter from I Can't Believe if you want to. As you'll see, the only reason that there are so many one-liners and my filter is 10 pages is because two of the lynches (D1 and D3) were being argued about all the way down to the wire and I was frantically trying to find the right lynch. We've decided all of our lynches pretty far in advance this game. Also the last 3 pages are all post-game lol.

I always make big cases. Look at all of my filters. You can find them from my profile. They should look the same as this one because I am town. Again.

On January 05 2013 06:07 Promethelax wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well no shit. This is true of anyone. Who would bus their teammates if not to get town cred for it? From Stutters POV, it's possible that I am scum and it's possible that I bussed D1 to try to get town cred, but when you see somebody push a scum lynch, especially a Godfather lynch, that person is more likely town. It's not conclusive, but it is clearly a piece of evidence that I am town.

Prom's arguments that I am scum draw from the most flaky of places: host balancing, SK speculation, filter size, scum not conceding.

Also, host balancing, SK speculation, and scum not conceding all point to Prom being scum just as much as me.

I'm really hoping you get this right Stutters. This is going to be the longest three hours of my life.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 21:30 GMT

#1695

Hey, stutters, I hope you make the right choice.

Sci is the scum. He is fighting this well but he is the last scum.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 21:32 GMT

#1696

Sci is right, my arguments aren't hard and fast to prove that he is scum to you.
I have proved that he is scum to me and that you aren't. I know my alignment, I only had to figure out which of you was scum. Not make the best case in the world to prove that Sci is scum.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 21:56 GMT

#1697

Come back stutters. Don't lose this one for us. C'mon man, we can do this. Lynch Sci. Win the game for town.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 22:06 GMT

#1698

I swear to god, if you lurk us to a loss I'll murder you irl.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 22:21 GMT

#1699

Stutters. Come back. Vote Sci. Don't lose this game for us.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

January 04 2013 22:34 GMT

#1700

Again I'm reading filters. I don't see you playing your town game as much as your previous ones either. You generally have large posts showing why someone's behaviour is scummy in between the questions and shit but in this game not so much. You've had two real cases this game (bugs and myself). Your bugs case you didn't follow through with nearly the ferocity I'd expect from a good town player like yourself. It also feels more like your previous scum cases where you would find any inconsistency in someone's play and attack it rather than why that inconsistency is scum motivated. Your read on me has been inconsistent by way of how the town atmosphere is, not my posting.

Maybe Scibs filter will convince me otherwise but I still think you're the scum.