People have been posting about lynching Eywa all game. I said myself I would want to only lynch vivax or eywa d2/3 until the obvious necessity of the SK lynch.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 23:25 GMT

#1703

Yeah, and I built the case and pushed the lynch. I thought he was scum and I wanted him dead. I'm ashamed to have been wrong but if I see those behaviours from anyone else in the future I'll still lynch them.

All you townies still watching this game, I'm sorry. This one is on me. I thought I could convince stutters of Sci being scum but I overestimated myself. Sorry.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

January 04 2013 23:25 GMT

#1704

Any comments on what I see regarding your meta?

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 04 2013 23:33 GMT

#1705

You are wrong about my meta, look my scum game (xix) I made big cases and pushed lynches. I've been attacked in most of my town games for looking similar to my scum game. In the ways you have pointed out I am not meta readable. There are meta ways to read me but those are not them. You are wrong. I don't have much to add to it besides that.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

January 04 2013 23:48 GMT

#1706

That's not what i meant. Sorry been phone posting so it's hard to be descriptive. When I see your previous town games I see you ask q shit load of questions to get a feel on them before nailing them with a multi-point case in which you talk about why those actions appear scum motivated. It was felt distinctly different to me from your scum games where you tossed out large cases that were based on catching people in lies/misunderstandings that aren't necessarily scum motivated. It might be because scib has no scum games to compare to but his posting feels like he was trying to catch scum with each move where you never really moved past calling stuff out, which your town games show you're more than capable of doing.

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

January 04 2013 23:59 GMT

#1707

Congrats Stutters you did it :D

You will not be disappointed with the flip

First game I've ever won as VT :D :D

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

January 05 2013 00:03 GMT

#1708

Oh Christmas Tree, oh Christmas Tree, how crispy are your branches?

End Game!

Promethelax, the Vanilla Townie, was lynched.

Sciberbia, the Mafia Roleblocker, wins!
Stutters695, the Vanilla Townie, was end-gamed.

Thanks everyone for playing. All the modkills were pretty disappointing

Setup: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiOPSUVUHQyhdDhpM0JkclhvN0RVUWdIQ2VobEhJb3c
Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/4KURFtRtVfhp
Obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/mmSYCRtCkap

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

January 05 2013 00:03 GMT

#1709

gg all. Was a blast! And thanks hosts.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

January 05 2013 00:03 GMT

#1710

gg, too bad we actually mislynched once.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 05 2013 00:04 GMT

#1711

I'm so mad at you stutters.

Well played Sci. I did what I cold and I hope I had you worried near the end.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

January 05 2013 00:05 GMT

#1712

nah, people always fuck up their first lylo, don't worry about it stutters, just learn from it.

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

January 05 2013 00:08 GMT

#1713

On January 05 2013 09:04 Promethelax wrote:
I'm so mad at you stutters.

Well played Sci. I did what I cold and I hope I had you worried near the end.

You too. I was most certainly worried. Was so scared when Stutters voted me.

And yea the modkills really sucked for town. 3 correct lynches and 1 mislynch and scum won. If I was town I wouldn't be happy about it either :/

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

January 05 2013 00:10 GMT

#1714

On January 05 2013 09:08 sciberbia wrote:

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Could have been even worse. Imagine if Debears/scum had chosen different targets N1, and Palmar's n1 shot went off. Then 2 modkills.

Would have been a hilariously short game.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 05 2013 00:14 GMT

#1715

On January 05 2013 09:08 sciberbia wrote:

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You really sat back too much coasting on your day one play. Somewhere around day two or three I went to read a filter, realized you were in this game and decided there was a decent chance of you being scum but I didn't have a case to make besides my gut which, while right, was not very convincing to stutters.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 05 2013 00:18 GMT

#1716

Sciberbia you rock.

Have a few giggles, a prom post from LVIII

On January 05 2013 09:15 Promethelax wrote:
Going to work. Still mad about yet another...I'll try to be useful when I get back.

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

January 05 2013 00:20 GMT

#1717

On January 05 2013 09:14 Promethelax wrote:

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Yea I agree completely. Around days 2 and 3 especially I was having a very hard time to motivate myself to post. I was also almost never in the thread. Like ever. I was just making posts and disappearing. I think your meta point about me being more responsive and engaged as town was pretty accurate. I agree with what marv said about me in the obs QT as well.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

January 05 2013 00:24 GMT

#1718

Haha, fuck. It felt like I was making a mistake but I couldn't actually pin it down. I'd been suspicious of prom from how he neglected Yamatos case and partially due to more experienced players with similar reads. Was trying to talk it out with him in hopes he could convince me, but my mind was pretty much made up. Obviously this is why I try to avoid throwing meta arguments into cases :p ggwp scib, sorry prom

I'll make it up to you next time.

Out of curiosity, when did you figure out he was scum Palmar? Knowing what I know now I should have been suspicious as fuck of him when n2 he was saying he had a town read on me since I wouldn't have if I wasn't mod confirmed to myself. Well live and learn I guess. Thanks everyone, was a lot of fun.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 05 2013 00:24 GMT

#1719

sorry guys, I was intending on posting that if I was shot that sciberbia needed to die, but I was asleep following my surgery. That worked out in a really unfortunate matter.

There are plenty of reasons we lost outside of that though, including my inability to establish myself as town, repeatedly reading sciberbia's diplomatic posts in a good light despite the fact that everyone who flipped town behaved differently, not being able to understand the vivax/stutters/prom business, and the various other factors that allowed scum to somehow hang on despite the fact that we were in a good position.

I do, however, still strongly believe that despite town being in a good position, there was no actual grasp on the fate of the game. There were far too many players who did nothing for virtually the entire game. We had two modkills due to inactivity and a replacement. That's 1/3 of the town. You can't do anything about that, it's just a massive handicap.

I talked with both sandro and foolish to help and I felt a little better considering that they had very similar thoughts to mine. It kept my sanity levels higher in the middle of being tunneled by several people.