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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 22 2012 17:06 wherebugsgo wrote: Debears is town, you asshats. If he was scum why the fuck would he shoot Toad after pushing him all day? To make it harder for himself? Do you think he would defend himself this strongly if he was scum? (the second one is an actual, genuine question, though I think I know the answer) There are a few things to note. One, Morbidius used Toad's flip to put suspicion on debears. That's something town like to do. Secondly, only a really bad scum team would shoot Toad, or Toad was right about something (or a combination of both). Toad listed morbidius, Vivax, and stutters as probable scum. I'll be looking into those players (as well as promethelax and eywa) today. For now I think morbidius has the strongest chance to flip scum. I do think any scum should, and indeed would, defend themselves against a lynch. I don't expect a single scum to roll over and go "You caught me, good job!" That's not playing to win. Your WIFOM about the NK is inconclusive on both fronts. The fact that Toad got shot is neither a certain indicator that debears is town, nor that morbidius is scum. The fact that I can conceive of other plausible explanations that make sense in this context is proof enough of that. I could make the case that Toad was shot specifically to make this defense of debears reasonable, so that doesn't convince me. Your thoughts about Toad being shot because of his suspicions I can partially agree with. I think those players are under definite suspicion because we know for sure he wasn't lying when he said he thought them scummy. But in particular I'm interested to know your thoughts on more players. You'be been quiet this game which I think is unusual for you so let's hear some more from bugsy. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On December 22 2012 16:54 yamato77 wrote: I don't know dude. I don't think town debears is this emotional. You seem really upset but town debears always reads cool and collected. If you're town I don't see it. You insist iamp is scum but he's more believable than you. Like I said, find a scum I can believe is real. If you want to live you need to act less like an offended child and more like a calculated scumhunter. I know this is totally hypocritical coming from me given my past but you have a lot to prove before I'll move my vote off you. You really have not read my games at all....... | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
There is ample evidence that scum is weak and instead you choose to attack one of the most active players in the game. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 22 2012 17:38 debears wrote: You really have not read my games at all....... I'll admit I haven't read a lot of them. Like I said though, I'm not set in stone on lynching you. If you guys are serious about this morbidius thing maybe it's true. I'll take a better look at his filter right now. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On December 22 2012 17:40 yamato77 wrote: I'll admit I haven't read a lot of them. Like I said though, I'm not set in stone on lynching you. If you guys are serious about this morbidius thing maybe it's true. I'll take a better look at his filter right now. Thankyou..... If you want examples of what I mean by emotional Look at Mario Mini Day 1 where I scream lynch Hapa for the last half Look at the NMM 28 on the day I get lynched. i scream lynch SDM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370487 What do those games have in common? I was pretty damn certain that the person I was accusing was scum What have I done this game? Scream lynch Iamp. Why? Cuz I'm pretty damn certain he's scum Yamato. I really want you to look at this following part hard 4) He had repeated multiple times "Wiggles is scummy guise", yet refused to vote him. Finally, when two others vote to make the vote count four, he immediately votes for Wiggles. That makes no sense from a town perspective. Multiple people had said "hey, I'm suspicious of Wiggles". Why did he need those extra votes to vote for Wiggles town - so he doesn't look scummy?????????? That doesn't make sense, since multiple people shared his suspicions because he's not confident wiggles is scum????? That doens't make sense, since he said multiple times wiggles is scummy. When you say someone is scummy multiple times, you are confident they are scummy. mafia - because wiggles is his scummate. He wants to gain town cred for bussing when it becomes clear that wiggles is going to be the most likely lynch You are trying to give major town cred to a 5th vote on a d1 scum when we know for a fact that the mafia is weak and did not defend wiggles. We know wiggles is the godfather. And his lynch went pretty much unopposed. Scum had to have bussed him | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 22 2012 17:39 wherebugsgo wrote: The fact that you can conceive of other explanations doesn't make them plausible. The question has nothing to do with the types of play that are possible but rather those that benefit scum. Shooting Toad only truly benefits scum if you're killing someone who has correct reads and/or is considered town by many and/or is not likely to be protected. I don't find it convincing at all that scum would do it to set up some kind of play when they couldn't even keep their godfather alive on day 1. There is ample evidence that scum is weak and instead you choose to attack one of the most active players in the game. Look I'm not attacking him. I'm asking him for explanations of things I have thought about his play since day 1. I fully realize I could be wrong because that's the nature of this game. However, I don't see how his play is townie at this point. I think he is a good player and I want to pressure him if he's town to rid himself of these biases I think he has at the moment and find some scum. But I'll get debears the benefit of the doubt for a minute. Who is the next best scum read in the game at the moment? Judging by town's posting it looks like Morbidius. I took a look through his filter and I don't see the mafia in him, but I don't really see the town either. Am I comfortable voting him? No. Am I really comfortable with my vote on debears? No. This should be obvious from my play so far. I think Prome is pushing some fishy shit around but no one has commented on that but debears and toad and they both said "wait and see". Well I don't really want to wait if he's actually scum. So give me your read on Prome because I saw you mentioned him and I would rather lynch him today than anyone else that has been suggested. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Replacements just take time to judge and I think pushing for his lynch before he responds is a bit hasty. If he hasn't done anything at the 24 hour mark then we should put him back on the table. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 22 2012 16:29 yamato77 wrote: At this point I'm more inclined to say he's bad But more on the case. What exactly do you think was reasonable? Because all I saw was a bunch of confirmation bias. It was a reasonable case because it attempted to show scum mentality. I didn't say I agreed with it but I do think that it had enough merit that it could be sincere, it was made well either as town or scum because it did what a case should do, it looked for scum mentality and motivation. Now it looked at that by calling Palmar lazy which is a scrub nub mistake to make so I don't feel that it was a good case; it was however a reasonable one to make. My issue with Eywa is mounting though, he has now failed to post for almost 48 hours, which is anti town behaviour. It makes him unreadable and too under the radar for us to do anything with, if we have a vig and he survives today he needs to be vig'd, he is either anti town or playing against his own win con and I believe that he is anti town. Debears, can you explain to me why you had a scum read on Toad? I had him in my most green of columns and I don't understand how others didn't. You are also assuming that Morb (who we have seen in various games is an easy mislynch and a bit of an idiot) is playing a great scum game. I don't see him having that ability. For those of you who don't know Morb's play check out Witchcraft where he was lynched d1 for playing like a newbie. Now, I know that you think we should Lynch both Imp and Morb but Imp first. Why should the little fellow be the first to swing? Imp: I'd love the update when you get back around on who the next scum is. Scibear: I would also love an update from you my friend, last I heard you had scum: dibbers and town: vivax and morb. Anything changed there? Now, on to Palmar, d1 our Icelandic friend had scum to lynch and pushed it with all his might, now in d2 he hasn't even posted anything of substance. Just started a little shit with WBG and vanished once more, while we should not lynch Palmar today we need to keep eyes on him. If he doesn't push for a scum lynch (or simply doesn't push for a lynch) we need to kill him. Palmar has excellent reads and got this town to lynch scum d1 by continual pressure, his total hands off attitude today is much more in line with his scum meta. Yamato: I don't understand how I'm your top scum read after Dibbers but feel free to ask me questions, I'll do my best to answer them while I'm around (which will be rather sporadically). I'd like to play a game called Can Anyone Remember the Last Time Stutters Added Anything To the Town Atmosphere. Well, can you? This is the last thing he posted On December 21 2012 15:43 Stutters695 wrote: I'll have more tomorrow after going through full filters, but I'll try to answer any questions in the morning. before vanishing. A promise to do more and add to the town environment. WBG, that is why you are looking at Morb, isn't it? Well take another look at St-St-stut-stutters. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Can we get 1) a vote count for today and 2) a final vote count for yesterday. Thanks guys. <3 | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
##Vote: Morbidius I would like to know what made you decide iamp was town and why are you now "worried" about wbg. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
## Unvote ##Vote: Stutters | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On December 23 2012 01:02 Promethelax wrote: Hey look, stutters wants to play the game. ## Unvote ##Vote: Stutters And a day later here I am at 11. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Give me some content. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Anyone voting for morbidius is an idiot, maybe we need to lynch bugs? I will probably have more time tomorrow. I guess we can't lynch Prom for now cause looks like he's putting in effort. Once again I agree with almost everything sciberbia has written. Also, I wonder who roleblocked bugs? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On December 23 2012 01:44 Promethelax wrote: yes you are, 33 hours later with nothing to show for it. that was all you had to say about everything that happened between December 21 2012 15:43 tl time and December 23 2012 01:01 tl time. Give me some content. So what do you think of morb? I'll be posting from my phone all say so I can't quote it but I went over earlier what I felt was wrong with his d1 posting and I think his calling iamp town out of nowhere and not explaining why is sketch as hell. I'm not sure who I'd pin for a third scum yet but I'm starting other people's filters now. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
bye guys, if you want to lynch me, go for it. | ||
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