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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
randombum marvellosity kenpachi clarity_nl dienosore At least for D1, I'm happy to throw clarity off the list. Scum starting with 2 in each world means only 3 scum total if he's scum, and if anything I would think he'd be 3P or some kind of half-one alignment, half-the other. We should not absolutely count him town, but for purposes of the D1 lynch I don't think he's a good option. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
slOosh was my strongest town read, based on a couple things I mentioned when I joined this world As I reread everyone, I got a little paranoid that I was wrong - he was relatively inactive, and the marv worship question that he'd brought back up matched up with a question he asked ... I think risen in LC. There was a point in LC where he brought up a day-old post to ask someone about it. But overall, I chalked that up to me being paranoid and didn't want to second-guess my initial gut read. The fact that he asked a question about an old post in a thread as scum, and did the same thing here, isn't really something I want to go blowing up my town read on him about. I'd rather trust my read that he felt particularly townie, rather than freak out about a particular activity level early in a game and the fact that he had one post here than was similar in some ways to one post he'd made in one scum game. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I personally had a townread on randombum before he suddenly wanted to lynch austin, but that was a really weird moment and I can't see a motivation for any alignment for him to act that was so I'm going with it was fault logic. But this whole world can't possibly all agree that Foolish and Keirathi were the two scum in this world? Those two are my best guess but in no way are they set in stone. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Neither tested nor asked whether I could object to my own statement. Assumed based on what I remember of past uses of the Phoenix Wright role (I'm being super-cagey and not claiming my own role), someone else had to make the statement. There was a big hullabaloo in Bastard 2 because PW wanted a question, someone phrased it slightly different, and PW objected to the slightly different question. Besides, shouldn't be objecting to your own statements anyhow. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
MY wincon, the TOWN wincon, says I need to eliminate all "anti-town elements." My objection was to a statement phrased with "anti-town elements." I don't care about "scum or third party," or whether a role is scummy but a player is town or a role is town but a player is scummy, whatever those hypothetical situations might be. I care only about getting rid of "anti-town elements." Whatever that phrase encompasses, that is the category of people I need to get rid of. None of the three people in that statement are "anti-town elements" (or at least not in the world they're in). Beyond knowing that, I don't care, and that was the exact quality that I'm concerned with. Not alignment, role, anything else, but whether someone IS or IS NOT an anti-town element. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:22 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't think we should just no-lynch, assuming Foolish and Keirathi were the two scum.I have a really hard time seeing who to lynch. I would be most comfortable with a Dieno lynch but am I convinced he's scum? Not really. He's just playing a bit off compared to chrono but it's his second game so it could be anything. I personally had a townread on randombum before he suddenly wanted to lynch austin, but that was a really weird moment and I can't see a motivation for any alignment for him to act that was so I'm going with it was fault logic. But this whole world can't possibly all agree that Foolish and Keirathi were the two scum in this world? Those two are my best guess but in no way are they set in stone. I was less certain of Foolishness's scumminess than this thread, because ... the whole thing was just kind of weak. If he were scum, I'd expect some kind of defense because it was sitting right in front of him. Palmar wanted to know why Foolishness was doing what he was doing, and it would have been plenty easy for Foolishness to figure out the "town" answer and give that. He didn't. So I wasn't left being sure about his scumminess. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
IF you don't think someone's alignment can change, then my questions are fine. If they're not anti-town elements at the moment and they're not going to change, then it's the exact same result as asking if they're anti-town period. I'm not concerned about scum actually. I'm concerned about a third party who's pro-town on one side and anti-town on the other. I'm concerned about clarity having a good and bad side, etc. It wouldn't make any sense to have a scum player that can swap alignments. It WOULD make for an interesting role if a third party could swap alignments depending on the world. Anyway, bottom line is the first bit. If you don't think alignments can change, then it doesn't matter whether I ask about alignment NOW or alignment PERIOD. You'd consider those two to be the same. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
for the time being  I haven't figured out what I think on you yet. I don't have a problem with you criticizing a second round of swap conjecture, it IS a subject we needed to move off of, but I haven't solified a read on you yet. But that's not a relevant issue right now. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
The polls close in about 3 hours! | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Other world MAY want to send us a scummy player today. You currently have 10, will have 9 after swap. There is a chance we swapped you 1-2 scum through clarity's ability. That would mean 6/3 or 5/4, and you can't even be guaranteed that the entire 6 or 5 is "pro-town." If you swap a townie, the odds seem higher that scum could come to control your world, and also we may be hard up for suspects again over here on cycle 3 (I hope not after 96 more hours). Overall, it looks like having roles that swap people, and sometimes combine for multiple swaps, means that our goal should be to even things out so that town controls both sides of the game, and can lynch scummy players in both sides of the game. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Palmar (1): Randombum Crossfire99 (2): SlOosh No one to be lynched | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Unless you guys convince me otherwise, I'll be voting for: ##Vote (Grey): Kenpachi | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
##Unvote (Grey): Foolishness ##Vote (Grey): Kenpachi | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Nope, it's not provable. You'll have to trust me or kill me, which is why I noted that I think PW roles in the past were confirmed in thread. That said, you should be able to look at my reasoning (and my stupid-ass no-stance play yesterday because I was planning on using my power as a DT-ish check) and at least make a read on me without having to see me dead. You can also wait for scum to shoot me, but I am assuming they won't because then they confirm three players on this side of things when I flip. I'm more or less okay with Sandroba's suggestion of kenpachi, but I think he's the default option and it's lazy to settle on lynching him without at least having any discussion. Was hoping Palmar or slOosh would be around and we could chat. marv's absence makes it difficult to get a read on him. Didn't add him to the check because of that, but also having a hard time wanting to lynch him D1 because of that. After Foolishness got swapped (and with crossfire being not anti-town), he's actually got really nothing of substance in this thread. I don't know any of his reads, I don't know who he'd like to vote, and overall it's just a blank slate. dieno, why do you want to lynch Kenpachi over other options here? You said you got town vibes from sandro, but never said WHY. You haven't said anything about randombum, anything about Kenpachi beforehand, etc. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
Do i really have 2 votes even though sloosh is just voting for me? | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Do you want more pictures? More cute dinosaurs? More squiggles? Just let me know and I will deliver! | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:20 Dienosore wrote: What do I need to do to whip you guys into shape? Do you want more pictures? More cute dinosaurs? More squiggles? Just let me know and I will deliver! Se my above question. No pictures/dinosaurs/squiggles. Why are you voting who you are voting? | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:20 Crossfire99 wrote: Now, I just caught up. I will have to reread the thread to determine who I want to lynch, but I definitely want to thank austin for using that objection. Do i really have 2 votes even though sloosh is just voting for me? The vote count is correct. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I'm guessing if the vote count is correct that someone has power of hidden vote? Let's see what this does: ##Unvote (GreY): Crossfire99 | ||
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