"None of Palmar, slOosh or Crossfire99 are anti-town"

"None of Palmar, slOosh or Crossfire99 are scum."

"None of the following players have anti-town roles at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99"

"None of the following players have scum roles at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99"

Pick whatever your role works best with, and justify your choice when you can. And results of course.

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

December 13 2012 19:06 GMT

#322

@keirathi: I designed the system in Chrono Trigger, and perfected it over 5-6 days while I was still alive. There is no problem with my maps. They merely show relationships, not if someone is town/scum. Regardless of whether or not what you said was in jest, your message still gets put out there for everyone to read. It influences their opinion EVEN IF YOU ARE JOKING. This sort of interaction will get put on my map every single time, and yes I will use it against you in a scumhunt.

@Blazinghand: "Any time a wagon gains momentum this quickly with no response it's on a townie." is just not true. Have you considered that the wagon was formed so fast that a mafia scumbuddy didn't have time to come to his defense before people were already jumping on? If someone hard defended Fool in this situation, it would have come off to me as incredibly scummy, especially since we were about to see his flip. If Fool had flipped mafia, then his scumbuddy who tried to defend him would have been immediately under the scope. Now that he isn't under direct threat, though, it is interesting to me to see who is coming to his defense...

slOosh

3291 Posts

December 13 2012 19:12 GMT

#323

On December 14 2012 04:06 Dienosore wrote:
@Blazinghand: "Any time a wagon gains momentum this quickly with no response it's on a townie." is just not true. Have you considered that the wagon was formed so fast that a mafia scumbuddy didn't have time to come to his defense before people were already jumping on? If someone hard defended Fool in this situation, it would have come off to me as incredibly scummy, especially since we were about to see his flip. If Fool had flipped mafia, then his scumbuddy who tried to defend him would have been immediately under the scope. Now that he isn't under direct threat, though, it is interesting to me to see who is coming to his defense...

What do you mean by this? Why would scum go through the trouble of defending a buddy who can't be lynched?

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

December 13 2012 19:16 GMT

#324

Planning for the future, maybe? iSL lynches someone tomorrow, and right now I'd assume Fool is the #1 target. If scum wanted to change the populations opinion on Fool so he is no longer on the block, what better time to do it than asap right now.

This isnt hard to understand. Are you intentionally being dense Sloosh?

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

December 13 2012 19:26 GMT

#325

And what is all this nonsense about picking a phrase None of Palmar, slOosh or Crossfire99 are anti-town or whatever? Do you really think mafia are going to be tricked into accidentally incriminating themselves by picking the wrong answer? It's a divergent waste of time that instead could be used to actually find scum.

slOosh

3291 Posts

December 13 2012 19:29 GMT

#326

austinmcc is using his power. I'm helping him.

You say it's a waste of time when it's clear you are focusing your attention on iGrok world, when today's lynch in this world is far from set. Who do you think is scum in this world?

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

December 13 2012 19:38 GMT

#327

K so let me see if I have this right. Austin's power involves making other people ask questions, and then he get an answer that only he can read via pm. SOUNDS SKETCHY TO ME. It's hard for me to blindly trust someone like this. What's to stop him from lying about the results if he is scum?

Im paying attention to both worlds. I have two tabs open and I'm monitoring both at the same time.

I don't have any scum reads atm. I am curious, though, as to why you were so quick to swap your vote onto Crossfire with little explanation.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 13 2012 19:38 GMT

#328

I'm picking this one, or asking for a variation on this one.

On December 14 2012 04:04 slOosh wrote:
"None of the following players have anti-town roles at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99"

I like the phrasing here because Grey has warned of third parties. However, our win-con is the following:

On December 11 2012 07:00 GreYMisT wrote:
Town will win when all anti town elements are eliminated from the game

We need to get rid of scum AND any 3P that count as "anti-town elements." Therefore, I want to phrase the question as anti-town. The fact that our wincon is phrased like that means that there very well could be multiple third parties, some which are friendly/neutral, and some which are "anti-town."

Anti-town is the phrasing I want then, because it will cover scum and anyone else we need to kill, 3P or no. Just taking out scum doesn't meet our wincon, and I don't want the results muddled by catching a false positive on a 3P that isn't anti-town.

So if someone would please go with

"None of the following players are anti-town elements at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99"

I like that phrasing better, because that is the wording of our wincon, and the wording of EVERYTHING that we need to get rid of.

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

December 13 2012 19:39 GMT

#329

I'm starting to get hyped up lol. Gonna smoke a J and collect my thoughts. I'll be back later.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 13 2012 19:40 GMT

#330

On December 14 2012 04:38 Dienosore wrote:
K so let me see if I have this right. Austin's power involves making other people ask questions, and then he get an answer that only he can read via pm. SOUNDS SKETCHY TO ME. It's hard for me to blindly trust someone like this. What's to stop him from lying about the results if he is scum?

Im paying attention to both worlds. I have two tabs open and I'm monitoring both at the same time.

I don't have any scum reads atm. I am curious, though, as to why you were so quick to swap your vote onto Crossfire with little explanation.

There is NOTHING to stop my from lying about the results. Absolutely nothing.

However, you should be looking at WHY I'm using the power now and HOW I'm using it.

(1) We lynch today
(2) There isn't a good lynch candidate on the table right now
(3) Discussion stagnated

I am using my power to

(1) Try and confirm some reads
(2) Narrow down our choices
(3) Create discussion
(4) Get rid of my power, it's one-shot, so that I can play normal and not be weird.

I'm not town because I have a power. But I'm using my power right now for townie reasons, and you can either trust or not trust what I report as the PM I receive. You might also be able to see why I asked the question earlier about whether one player could have multiple alignments, as I wanted to know how to phrase my question.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 13 2012 19:47 GMT

#331

Anywho, could someone please drop this in thread?

"None of the following players are anti-town elements at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99"

slOosh

3291 Posts

December 13 2012 19:48 GMT

#332

"None of the following players are anti-town elements at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99"

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 13 2012 19:49 GMT

#333

##Objection!

On December 14 2012 04:48 slOosh wrote:
"None of the following players are anti-town elements at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99"

(Don't tell the bar association I'm doing this)

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 13 2012 19:51 GMT

#334

Keirathi, our wincon (or town's/mine at least) says we have to eliminate all "anti-town elements."

No matter what they are, 17th party planar dragon, whatever, if they're anti-town elements, we need to get rid of them. If they're NOT anti-town elements, we don't. Whatever their own wincons, whatever we might classify them, the deciding factor for what I need from them is whether or not they are "anti-town elements"

randombum

United States2378 Posts

December 13 2012 19:56 GMT

#335

Austin, You asked me earlier why I liked you for town. Keep in mind that its only a mild read. It's because I liked how you responded with yamato77 in the other thread.

What's up with that objection? a joke cause sloosh said it?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 13 2012 20:00 GMT

#336

On December 14 2012 04:56 randombum wrote:
Austin, You asked me earlier why I liked you for town. Keep in mind that its only a mild read. It's because I liked how you responded with yamato77 in the other thread.

What's up with that objection? a joke cause sloosh said it?

Past games have had phoenix wright as a role, and he gets a one-shot objection to any statement made in thread. iirc, usually the mods answer the objection in-thread, by posting whether the objected-to statement is true or false.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 13 2012 20:01 GMT

#337

Also, randombum, what specifically did you life about how I responded to yamato? When you first said that, there was no reasoning at all, and your response here is pretty much equally devoid of anything we can see.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

December 13 2012 20:05 GMT

#338

It felt like you were responding rationally and calmly. It also felt like you "won" that discussion with him and since he and I disagreed on how to do swaps that probably made me like you.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 13 2012 20:05 GMT

#339

Okeedoke.

The above statement was true. None of those three players are anti-town at the moment.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 13 2012 20:10 GMT

#340

I wanted to check Palmar because he felt kind of townie, and it's both useful to EVERYONE if we know he's pro-town and trust his stuff, and also now he can be a dick or whatever he wants to do and we'll at least know he's not anti-town while doing so.

slOosh was a strong town read for me, but he was also a bit slow out of the gate, reminding me somewhat of Liquid City. I generally find his posts easy to read and well thought out, and added him specifically to help myself. I want to be able to read and trust what he says, and I figured he would pop up town.

Crossfire99 made some townie comments about past games of his, and those struck me as town. I wanted to throw in one player who was less well known/less active, because if I could hit a townie person in that group it means that we hopefully don't mislynch them ever and it means one less ? towards the end of the game.

Went with 3 players because the more I add, the harder it is to draw any kind of conclusion from the check (1 anti-town, 2, more?). The double-swap also threw a wrench into the works, because it's POSSIBLE that all anti-town elements on this side of things got swapped to the other side. If that happened, nothing I can do about it right now. 3 felt like a number that I could have correct reads on, and takes enough people off the table (and specifically some people that I want to hear from off the table) that I think we can work together and get a solid lynch today.