EPTAnd again like I said, if more than one of these guys is town then scum probably deserve to win this.
Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII - Page 57
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
And again like I said, if more than one of these guys is town then scum probably deserve to win this. | ||
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
| ||
|
Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 27 2012 17:00 Aquanim wrote: Hi guys, who is here? I am here for the next 10-20 minutes. I'm PST so it's about midnight here. What's on your mind? | ||
|
cakepie
985 Posts
| ||
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
| ||
|
Corazon
United States3230 Posts
There are three ways to avoid getting in the spotlight: Lurking (which both have done at points), Sheeping (which both have done), and being ambiguous (which both have done). When they have been contributing, it has only been when they have been called out by someone else. They seem very hesitant to show their hands to us. It is very suspicious, and I feel like it needs more investigation. The problem is right now that so many have been lurking and being this way. For reference, here is a post from Spag (and Spag's been dead for almost a week now): On December 21 2012 08:30 Spaghetticus wrote: Lurker/scum There are so many lurkedy perkers that I actually felt somewhat overwhelmed. I want these guys kicked in the arse. Their play is not acceptable, but they've been allowed to do it because of the epic bandwagonning. These people are at best useless town (worse than threesr or Corazon by far, as at least they contributed valuable discussion), and at worst free riding scum. The majority of your efforts should be focused on OmniEulogy and these guys. - Shz Has posted some points I liked, but the substance isn't there, and my liking your point is no standard by which to judge a post by (I liked the majority of mine). He's semi-active, but that needs to be full active. - Kickstart I am puzzled at this guy's inactivity. Apparently in other games he's been the life of the party? Going from mega contributor to nothing is a little too obvious for a scum tell, I expect real life circumstances are getting in the way? Either way, he needs to step up or step out. - Orangeremi Seems to be riding the town's momentum (not a good thing). His suspicion of FC is legitimate, but also an obvious call. Orangeremi you need to start making your own waves. - FatChunk Yet another lurker that has been able to get away with it... He is under a lot of suspicion from the general town, though no threat has actualised to date. I'd say OrangeRemi and FC are my next two biggest worries, as there is very little mitigation for their behaviour. They lurk because they can, which is bad town or moderate scum. - Sylencia Has given an excuse for little input, but is going to have to put in a LOT of effort to distinguish themselves if they want to not be lumped in with FC and ORem. Convenient that the 5 people Spag called out as scum on D1 are STILL being accused of lurking? It is a truly disturbing sight to behold. 100% there is scum in at least one of these lurkers. Our job moving forward is to figure out who is scum and who is not. | ||
|
Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 27 2012 17:26 cDgCorazon wrote: Convenient that the 5 people Spag called out as scum on D1 are STILL being accused of lurking? EBWOP: Convenient that the 5 people Spag called out as lurkers on D1 are STILL being accused of lurking? | ||
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On December 27 2012 17:26 cDgCorazon wrote: I do believe you are spot on with your focus on Shz and Sylencia. There are three ways to avoid getting in the spotlight: Lurking (which both have done at points), Sheeping (which both have done), and being ambiguous (which both have done). When they have been contributing, it has only been when they have been called out by someone else. They seem very hesitant to show their hands to us. It is very suspicious, and I feel like it needs more investigation. The problem is right now that so many have been lurking and being this way. For reference, here is a post from Spag (and Spag's been dead for almost a week now): Convenient that the 5 people Spag called out as scum on D1 are STILL being accused of lurking? It is a truly disturbing sight to behold. 100% there is scum in at least one of these lurkers. Our job moving forward is to figure out who is scum and who is not. Putting aside their lurkiness, who do you think is trying to not be noticed with the posts they have made? | ||
|
cakepie
985 Posts
On December 27 2012 17:26 cDgCorazon wrote: Convenient that the 5 people Spag called out as scum on D1 are STILL being accused of lurking? It is a truly disturbing sight to behold. 100% there is scum in at least one of these lurkers. Our job moving forward is to figure out who is scum and who is not. This. Even when someone finally comes out and gives us something, it will be quite the task trying to consider if they are finally coming out with their reads as town, or scum trying to make the final misdirection play. The town who may be among the lurkers are in fear that whatever they can bring to the table now will not be enough, and they fear getting mislynched, what with how we did on the first two days. So ironically while we are pressing them for substance, we cannot hope for much substance anyway. If they have been playing lazily, the task of catching up, and then stepping up to the plate, can be too daunting. Ultimately, the recent posting behavior of Sylencia and shz are minimally cooperative, and do not sway my read of them in either direction. We will have to try to ask the right questions and work from there. In terms of trying to stay out of attention, both have done so in equal measure. Sylencia has become quite quiet unless prodded, in contrast to his N1 and early D2. Shz had something going in late D2, but he has not followed up on it despite (or because of?) losing some of the heat on him after N2. | ||
|
cakepie
985 Posts
Let's try to take the questions in a different direction. Hypothesis: Chromaticity is scum. Discuss. Yes, this means to present arguments both for and against the hypothesis. Caution: this does not imply that I have a scum read on Chrom. He just happens to be interesting enough to build a discussion around. This one is fair game for open discussion, but I particularly want to hear what shz and sylencia have to say about it, seeing as they've commented on some aspects of Chrom's play before. FatChunk and OrangeRemi are also encouraged to chime in. | ||
|
Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On December 27 2012 13:42 shz wrote: ... This is really hard to get a grip on and in no way I am confidend in this days lynch. Fuck. Were you more confident in the other lynches? Seriously, this is the definition of the "hand-wringy scum thing" that marv talked about with Kickstart in XXXI. It's a lot easier to take a stand as scum if you act really uncertain about it, and that's exactly what he's doing when he's pressed for reads. Shz hasn't been confident in a single lynch all game. He nearly completely ignored the lynches d1 and 2, and didn't even vote for someone d2. Not only is this the scum trait of being uninvolved in lynches, it shows how the above quote is bs. There's no reason for shz to act all uncertain about todays lynch when he hasn't participated in any other lynch. By doing this, he also excuses himself from giving any confident scumreads, like he's been avoiding all game. He's being pressed for reads so he chooses the easy one but acts nervous to make himself look better when he flips town. I would be up for a shz lynch. At the very least, I'd have a very hard time voting Kickstart because of this. | ||
|
Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On December 27 2012 08:01 Orangeremi wrote: I found it difficult to knock any holes in the case. As town, starting the game with a vote for someone is a great way to trigger discussion and get things off in the right direction. Very possibly his intention. I see no townie explanation for the way he voted Corazon, possibly laziness. With Spag, he just hopped on the wagon. Nothing special for scum or town. And I think his vote for Chrom is justified to throw another opinion/point of view on the table (although rather poorly, not that I'm one to talk.) I don't understand why he would give up on defending Omni. His defense was perfectly sound, especially when Omni flipped town. Overall, I'd suppose a scum vibe. Although looking over his posts it wasn't at all my initial thought. His post voting for Chrom seemed townie to me, and his more recent advocation to go after lurkers seems so as well. ... Why is shz a scum vibe if you see all these townie things in his filter? | ||
|
Orangeremi
United States94 Posts
On December 27 2012 23:43 Chromatically wrote: Why is shz a scum vibe if you see all these townie things in his filter? I wouldn't say 'all' these townie things in his filter. The two things I mentioned were the only two townie things I noticed. That's why I get vibe. | ||
|
Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
| ||
|
Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On December 27 2012 08:08 Aquanim wrote: So, Orange, who do you think we should be lynching today? | ||
|
Corazon
United States3230 Posts
-Kick -Orange -FC -Shz We can sit here all day and wonder what their true motives are and how scummy they are, but in all honesty, they all seem scummy to certain levels. We have already seen that votes are not going to draw them out and defend themselves, so we just need to vote all of them off consecutively. We should reevaluate our options if we catch a scum, but putting these guys on the spot just is not going to do anything. I suggest we go with kick first, but if you guys want to go in a different direction, I would be all for lynching any of the 4. ##unvote ##Vote: Kickstart | ||
|
Orangeremi
United States94 Posts
The overwhelming vote count for Kick right now leads me to believe the scum are just hopping on his wagon. If he was actually scum, wouldn't the mafia would find another player to try and start a wagon for to save him. But that isn't happening. I think we need to reevaluate. In the meantime I'm going back to one of my initial reads. ##Vote: FatChunk | ||
|
Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 28 2012 01:59 Orangeremi wrote: I'm really curious if that's the best course of action, Corazon. You seem to just have a hit list that ultimately will lessen the size of town more than anything. Doesn't seem all too beneficial to me. The overwhelming vote count for Kick right now leads me to believe the scum are just hopping on his wagon. If he was actually scum, wouldn't the mafia would find another player to try and start a wagon for to save him. But that isn't happening. I think we need to reevaluate. In the meantime I'm going back to one of my initial reads. ##Vote: FatChunk OH SNAP, ORANGE ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING! As I've said, we're not getting information out of any of them. If you feel like none of them are scum or worth lynching, please let me know why. | ||
|
Orangeremi
United States94 Posts
| ||
|
Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 28 2012 02:06 Orangeremi wrote: Well we've just fucked ourselves by not finding any scum thus far and at this point we don't have many options. We cannot afford another townie loss. We need to be certain or very close to certain that our next vote is mafia. How do you feel about the other three? Do you think they are scum or not? | ||
| ||
