EPTOn December 27 2012 11:50 cDgCorazon wrote:
What do we do if none of them give an answer?
What do we do if none of them give an answer?
My plan? Lynch Kick and pray.
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
My plan? Lynch Kick and pray. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Not a bad plan. Better than what we've come up with so far. | ||
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cakepie
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On December 27 2012 11:50 cDgCorazon wrote: What do we do if none of them give an answer? They're pretty much useless lurkers to begin with. The intent was to get them to start contributing, but if they don't, then nothing has changed -- we will simply be forced to lynch into the scummiest of them based on what we know. But I don't think it'll be a complete coin flip at least. shz, fatchunk, and Kickstart all haven't posted for a very long while; the latter two not since three days ago. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me, considering N2 was extended for xmas already. Orangeremi hasn't done much either except pop in, spend forever catching up, and making a weak attempt at debunking the shz case. (hint: I think there's definitely more to be said than that, including points that were raised already, if one would just look for them.) If there's more than one town in there losing interest and tuning out, then we're pretty much doomed already anyways. If newb scum is waiting to discuss and decide what to do (perhaps someone is still away) then I see us with a much better chance of getting out of this yet. | ||
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Corazon
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Corazon
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cakepie
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On December 27 2012 12:53 cDgCorazon wrote: Where does Syl fit into this equation? Is he lurking like the others, or do you feel like he is contributing as well? Looking over his filter, he seems to be still trying to piece something together based on setup (or is putting up a good act of it). I am not convinced that it would be a productive inquiry; too many possible explanations when I considered it for myself. @Syl: a penny for your thoughts? What have you come up with after tossing things around? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Kickstart (4) Cakepie, Aquanim, Sylencia, cDgCorazon FatChuck (1) Chromatically Note Voting (4) Kickstart, FatChuck, Orangeremi, shz Currently Kickstart is set to be lynched, deadline in about 18 hours. Everyone must vote; if you see your vote or any other player's vote out of place please contact your friendly hosting staff. | ||
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cakepie
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On December 27 2012 00:31 Chromatically wrote: @cakepie My lynch candidate will depend a lot on how they act today. This is why I don't think that we should form a consensus on Kick too early, FC and Orange need to post too. What now, now that we've still got absolutely nothing to work with apart a token answer from Orange? | ||
shz
Germany2686 Posts
Like I said before, I don't like to meta-analyze, but first of all, this is my first game and yamato seems to have some experience, maybe it is standard to meta?, and Kickstart adressed his meta himself. So maybe it is a good clue. Even if he isn't normally lurkingt like that as scum or town, he seems (according to Yamato) pretty paranoid and aggressive as town, which he really isn't in this game. The response to my list was also not versy useful. The thing I don't get is, why he would try so hard to get me lynched, if there isn't a big chance of it at that moment. It could be to gain town-cred (going against the mainstream, knowing the lynch would flip town), or he actually thinks I'm scum because he is town. I'm still trying to figuring out the possibility if Kick and Orange could both be scum. Kick kinda defended Orange On December 23 2012 19:24 Kickstart wrote: Well you make a decent care against Orangeremi by pointing out all the weird things he has done. But could you maybe explain why you think they are scummy? He does a lot of flip-flopping (on spag and then on his stance on me) without any reason, but do you see a scum motive behind it? Especially say, giving me a null read after he gave me his 2nd highest scum read (since would it not be beneficial for scum to keep pressure on me)? while Orange declared him scummy on a few occasions but never actually voted or applied any real pressure. I don't think that anyone actually looked into Kick because of him, which could be a very clever scum-play. But is it? I don't know. I'm not sure if we could actually get any information on their relation if we lynch any of them. But I don't know if we actually could gain more information by lynching anyone else, and out of all the lurkier players, he seems to be the scumiest. I will probably vote for him. At this point, no one is a safe bet, but the safest seems to be Kick. This is really hard to get a grip on and in no way I am confidend in this days lynch. Fuck. | ||
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cakepie
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N1: 22 09:08 cake 22 13:36 omni 23 08:45 shz N2: 26 09:16 cake 26 18:51 orange 27 13:42 shz Either this game is a perverse RB (bleep)fest or someone is lying and looking to cause confusion. | ||
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cakepie
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On December 27 2012 13:42 shz wrote: This is really hard to get a grip on and in no way I am confidend in this days lynch. Fuck. Well, time to get a grip then. You can start by answering my questions and commenting on what others have answered. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17355890 | ||
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shz
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cakepie
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On December 27 2012 13:56 shz wrote: I said I was not RB this night. I stand corrected then. | ||
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shz
Germany2686 Posts
Scummy: Lurking hard. Not paranoid, not aggressive, not critical of bad town play (meta) Tunnled against me, even though there is no wagon rolling. (Gain town-cred) Towny: Lurking hard. Tunnled against me, even though there is no wagon rolling. (Believing I'm scum) You see, most of the core points could be attributed to both alignments, besides the meta-read. | ||
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shz
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shz
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If we misslynch today, we pretty much fucked, so it should be in scums interest to direct us towards a misslynch, to nearly lock that game down. But there seems to be no oposition towards lynching Kick. Could this mean that mafia is fine with that lynch? Which would mean we are wrong. | ||
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cakepie
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On December 27 2012 14:30 shz wrote: Ome thing to note though, which seems very odd to me. If we misslynch today, we pretty much fucked, so it should be in scums interest to direct us towards a misslynch, to nearly lock that game down. But there seems to be no oposition towards lynching Kick. Could this mean that mafia is fine with that lynch? Which would mean we are wrong. Numerically, all it takes is for two to three tonwies to vote on the same person, and mafia would be able to pile on to make 5 for a mislynch, taking us down to 5-3, and then 4-3 overnight. They may just be biding their time, since trying to direct the vote would be too conspicuous. Perhaps one scum has already parked their vote somewhere for now. (Seriously, if we have two parked mafia votes and townies are still goofing off I shall be very cross indeed when we find out postgame) | ||
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cakepie
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This could be - a deliberate play as scum - RL actually getting in the way, whether scum or town. A town kickstart giving up is very unlikely, this would be very irresponsible and unlike him. A town kickstart playing like this deliberately is also difficult to justify. In fact, I should think that kickstart is a serious and responsible enough player to ask for a replacement if RL was foreseeably going to be an issue. In either case (or both), we won't be getting anything out of him with this pressure, and I refuse to let my vote fester when I could, and should be pressuring others. This wagon is getting far too easy, and crucially another mass sheep-fest will get us nowhere with no information gained. ##FoS: Kickstart Kickstart is still a good deal scummier than the rest of my suspects, though. We shall see by end of day. For now, let's see if other avenues of inquiry will yield anything -- if not for today, it may help us tomorrow. ##Vote: FatChunk Come on, Christmas is over; get in here and show us why you should not be considered scum. ----- I'll be stepping out for a while now | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 27 2012 14:30 shz wrote: Ome thing to note though, which seems very odd to me. If we misslynch today, we pretty much fucked, so it should be in scums interest to direct us towards a misslynch, to nearly lock that game down. But there seems to be no oposition towards lynching Kick. Could this mean that mafia is fine with that lynch? Which would mean we are wrong. I believe that in this situation, the only bad option would be a no-lynch (which is always bad). We have 3-4 players who are lurking or have given up altogether. You could have the same doubts about any of them. We need to lynch someone, and as I've said before, Kick is the safest option. | ||
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Corazon
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Alright, so when I first wrote the long post accusing Orange, I ended it with this: On December 22 2012 09:15 cDgCorazon wrote: I feel like OJR (which is what I’m calling he/she from now on, much easier to write) needs to step up his scum-hunting efforts in order to clear suspicion from myself. OJR has all the room to defend themselves, but until OJR picks it up, I am very suspicious of them. Well, Orange really has not done anything to contribute yet. I keep saying it, but Orange never even answered my accusations, much less stepped up his scum hunting. Get it together Orange. You can't stave off the "lurker" tag by posting once a day and saying you will come back and analyze things. I want reads, I want opinions, I want signs that you are not scum. Now. ##unvote ##Vote: OrangeRemi | ||
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