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On December 19 2012 11:09 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 08:45 Sylencia wrote:Hey guys, won't be the most active player during day 1, as I have work during the day and tomorrow night I have a work dinner party, but I'll try to be as active as I can when possible (posting this at work - gogo compilation time :D) After that, I should be all free from any obligations whatsoever. To answer the questions proposed: 1) I still am not sure whether or not lurker kills on day 1 are good, it's a high variance move which I don't necessarily like, but if no one has come off as being scummy, it's better than having an obvious mislynch. 2) I'm sure there will be some sort of pressure voting happening in this game, especially since we don't know how many mafia there are, they could easily start ganging up on one person and it'd be a lot harder to detect than last game where it was guaranteed to be 2 members, it could be fairly high at 3 + even a serial killer who would be willing to lynch anyone since they don't care whatsoever. 3) I don't even know if I have a slight allergy to them, my mouth gets itchy when I eat prawns  Moc: Low quality post are just filler posts which doesn't really help encourage discussion or which are kind of pointless and can be considered just posting to create noise. The latter is the type I dislike more though, since it becomes a lot harder to catch up on the thread without getting lost and having to backtrack and read again. @Sylencia I appreciate that you are busy today. At some stage in the game, all of us will be in the same situation. For me personally though, this does not make you void from a vote. For the time being ##fos:Sylencia I will re-consider once I have read more comments from yourself.
Not saying I'm always going to be busy, I was just stating that you might consider me a lurker for now but that's just due to the schedule I have over the 2 days in which this period runs. I wasn't using it as an excuse to try exclude me from a vote.
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On December 19 2012 11:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
Mocsta I honestly think it's too early to be getting town reads. This is in response to your acknowledgement of Chroma not your null on me. The positives of such a move (that I can think of) are that if you are good at reading people your reads yours will hold more weight than those of a bad reader. The negatives are that if you are a below average reader then you are throwing town off, if you are scum you could be solidifying a position as head town, and read confidence improves with time. I don't see it as a solid move this early. I like the drive you are giving town though.
@Spaghetticus
Well thought out response.
You have made me consider a possibility I didn't think of when posting (might throw town off).
So I agree to hold off "reads/opinion" till the lurkers wake up and post more. (At least I hope they are sleeping instead of lurking)
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On December 19 2012 11:55 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:09 Mocsta wrote:On December 19 2012 08:45 Sylencia wrote:Hey guys, won't be the most active player during day 1, as I have work during the day and tomorrow night I have a work dinner party, but I'll try to be as active as I can when possible (posting this at work - gogo compilation time :D) After that, I should be all free from any obligations whatsoever. To answer the questions proposed: 1) I still am not sure whether or not lurker kills on day 1 are good, it's a high variance move which I don't necessarily like, but if no one has come off as being scummy, it's better than having an obvious mislynch. 2) I'm sure there will be some sort of pressure voting happening in this game, especially since we don't know how many mafia there are, they could easily start ganging up on one person and it'd be a lot harder to detect than last game where it was guaranteed to be 2 members, it could be fairly high at 3 + even a serial killer who would be willing to lynch anyone since they don't care whatsoever. 3) I don't even know if I have a slight allergy to them, my mouth gets itchy when I eat prawns Moc: Low quality post are just filler posts which doesn't really help encourage discussion or which are kind of pointless and can be considered just posting to create noise. The latter is the type I dislike more though, since it becomes a lot harder to catch up on the thread without getting lost and having to backtrack and read again. @Sylencia I appreciate that you are busy today. At some stage in the game, all of us will be in the same situation. For me personally though, this does not make you void from a vote. For the time being ##fos:Sylencia I will re-consider once I have read more comments from yourself. Not saying I'm always going to be busy, I was just stating that you might consider me a lurker for now but that's just due to the schedule I have over the 2 days in which this period runs. I wasn't using it as an excuse to try exclude me from a vote.
Precisely why I did not cast a 'random" vote your way.
The FOS was more so a statement to others that, yes we all have real lives. But using that as an excuse for lack of posts doesn't cut it.
[This should address the question addressed to me, on why I gave the FOS]
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On December 19 2012 10:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 08:05 shz wrote:
2) How do you think scum would try to infiltrate us?
No idea. I guess by acting like town? I'm not that knowledgeable about what they can do. I don't think just lurking is the best strategy for them though.
@shz This is not asking about the mafia special powers [i.e "what they can do]. I was asking about tactics/methodology behind play. [You stated lurking isnt the best strategy] What do you think is a suitable mafia strategy?
Blend in, distract, create chaos I guess?
Just blabbling and posting without anything to add to a discussion should also work.
What does fos mean?
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it means Finger of Suspicion as far as I know
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When I said "lose focus", I meant as in like trying to come out and saying something that would out them as mafia. I admit that it doesn't sound right when I say it, but of course this is my first time on TL Mafia, and it's all theorycrafting for me.
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Strong post Cakepie, keep it up.
@Everyone How many games have you played?
I want to compile another list, for personal use and otherwise. Even if you have already made this information available could you please do so once more so I don't need to trawl through starter fluff again?
I am concerned about people pulling the nub card, and want to be able to assess the legitimacy of these claims easily.
A massive mistake people were making last game was to assume that people were scum if they were inexperienced, which IMO is pretty silly in a nub game.
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This will be my first game Spaghetticus.
I'm going to go to sleep a bit early tonight, didn't get any sleep last night so I've been having a lot of trouble forming thoughts of any kind. I'll be of more use in the morning.. or night for our aussie friends 
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On December 19 2012 08:37 Chromatically wrote:Also, if anyone here has any past games on this forum or others, it would be appreciated if you could link those here now. My only game: Newbie Mini Mafia XXXI as Mafia Framer. I have an extensive amount of obs experience though, so I'm practically a vet by now.
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Cheers Omni and Chroma.
Things seem to have died down, I might head to the gym.
We still have three people with no posts, if you are one of them I suggest you make a big and informative post after reading through everything that has been posted this game. Try and have questions for the players that have been posting, and develop a theory of who is town and scum. You are late to the part y but you can still be valuable and productive town.
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As well as Omni, this is also my first game.
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@Spaghetticus
First game in here, haven't played IRL. Like I said, just the UMS once or twice.
@threesr
Did you defend lurking so you could begin lurking?
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Thats it for me, going to sleep.
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On December 19 2012 11:52 cakepie wrote:
GMT-8 here
EBWOP: GMT+8. I need to stop forgetting that I've just crossed the Pacific Ocean.
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Hey guys sorry for my late post, have caught up though. This is my first mafia game on TL, all my experience, as with shz, is with the UMS game.
Policy on LAL is fine with me. Lying can only hurt town and I see no situations how this could be beneficial.
Regarding lurkers, I think that it shouldn't be set in stone. From my point of view as a newbie, lurking isn't a quality of either mafia or town. It is equally as likely that a mafia/sk will actively post, lead discussions, blend in with town as it is that a townie will, and the same goes for lurkers. Ultimately its a judgement call based on quality of posts, and hopefully the majority will make the right call in that situation.
Cakepie, I really liked your post regarding not being afraid to make mistakes as a townie. In this game of newbies, we will learn while asking questions and participating in discussion. I will be fearless.
That being said I think at this point in the game, there is very little information available, but I see value in scoping out a possible lynch on the first day. I think we should be looking for players who promote environments where Mafia thrive.
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On December 19 2012 12:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
but of course this is my first time on TL Mafia
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On December 19 2012 14:06 FatChunk wrote:
Policy on LAL is fine with me. Lying can only hurt town and I see no situations how this could be beneficial.
Regarding lurkers, I think that it shouldn't be set in stone. From my point of view as a newbie, lurking isn't a quality of either mafia or town. It is equally as likely that a mafia/sk will actively post, lead discussions, blend in with town as it is that a townie will, and the same goes for lurkers. Ultimately its a judgement call based on quality of posts, and hopefully the majority will make the right call in that situation.
That being said I think at this point in the game, there is very little information available, but I see value in scoping out a possible lynch on the first day. I think we should be looking for players who promote environments where Mafia thrive.
While I'm a bit of a fence sitter in regard to lurkers, your assertion that mafia are equally likely to lurk as town causes me concern. Mafia, particularly new mafia, derive benefit from lurking if nobody picks them up on it. Town, new or otherwise, damage their chances of success if they do not contribute. While arguments can be made about the certainty of judgement, this game is not about certainties, and unless you can think of a good reason for a town to lurk that statistically counteracts the motivated tendency of a scum player, it is best to strongly pressure lurkers into action with your vote.
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Hi, I'm here.
Hi All.
From other games, it seems the best 3 questions to ask are:
1) Stance on Lurkers: i.e. Do you policy lynch?
2) How do you think scum would try to infiltrate us?
3) [Being from Australia] Do you like prawns/shrimp on the "barbie"
1) We should lynch the most likely to be scum player day 1. Scum is there to be found day 1.
That being said, building a wagon on a lurker/unsatisfactory poster and watching their reactions (and everyone else's) is an entirely acceptable way to find the scummiest player.
2) Scum try to post like they think they would if they were town. A pretty useless answer to a pretty useless question.
3) Not really.
Speaking of policies what is your take on lynch all liars?
Consider on a case by case basis. Most cases will probably be a lynch because townies shouldn't lie.
@Everyone How many games have you played?
Just the one, Newbie Mini Mafia XXXI as regular old vanilla town. Town win, but the quality of my contribution is a little hard to measure.
It is my belief that any millers should claim now. A claimed miller is NOT automatically town in any way, but it may save us some grief later. For starters, with this policy anyone who claims miller after day 1 should eat rope (making checks a little more useful).
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O shi' this started sooner than I expected! But do not fear I am here now.
My stance on policy lynches is and has been that they are ok but I will push scum reads over policy lynches. That is, finding scum is the objective of the game, so if I have to choose between a lurker and someone who to me seems scummy, I am voting for the scummy person. But really, don't lurk. On lying though, I see no reason for a towny to lie, so don't. If I catch someone lying about something it will raise my suspicion on them by a lot.
That kind of ties in with the "what would mafia do thing", my answer to that is they would try to blend in, so it is imperative that we as town generate meaningful discussion and that EVERYONE contributes (no one lurks) so that we have plenty of information to work with for everyone and we make it difficult for the scum to blend in.
This is my 4th game, first one was maria mini mafia, then I think it was newbie mini XXXI and XXXII. Won 1 as town (my first game -_-), then lost the next two, once being scum and then being town.
So far the only thing that has caught my attention is that threesr is defending lurking. It doesn't give me a scum read on him though because I think scum would be hesitant to say something like that because allowing for people to just lurk creates a very bad town atmosphere, so I don't think scum would come in and so "o hey lurking is fine by me". As I said before though, DON'T LURK, LURKING BAD.
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Heya Kick. I've got little of substance to say so far (this game seems to be starting pretty slow) but I think we could throw some ideas around profitably.
A big thing which has jumped out at me so far is cakepie's first post. Everyone else replied to those questions pretty briefly, cakepie dumped a wall of text. Seems to me like a pretty good excuse for "content" while not committing to anything related to this game.
Your thoughts?
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