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On December 18 2012 08:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 08:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
This is part of the reason I don't want to lynch Mr. CC. JieXian pushes CC in a horrendously scummy way. Think's he's scum, then places his vote on thrawn (flipped town) to "dare" Mr. CC to vote him? Yeah ok. actually that's false as proven by my post about him, he clearly voted for someone he didn't think was scum last time since no one would vote for his suspect. Last post on JieXian or on CC? On CC, I don't think Jie Xian is scum... He's saved too many townspeople or attempted to. A half-assed attempt to save a townie is not grounds to believe someone is town. It's really easy (and common) for mafia to defend townies they know will hang. They know townies allignment - it's a riskless play for mafia since they know they'll be right.
It's more so reason to believe someone is town than a religious hold on proving that there isn't enough evidence to kill your friend while the same evidence is presented about someone else who becomes "obvious mafia"... How do you think this is a good play? It may fly, but that's only because the town has lost sense of the objective of the game.
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On December 18 2012 08:21 Hapahauli wrote:
You believe in some magical mafia world where townies are always right about things, and mafia are always pushing the wrong things. This is completely false. Perhaps amongst your friends this has some merit, but on TL this is simply not true.
Townies are often wrong. Townies don't know allignments. They push emotional mislynches, are easily maniuplated... etc. Scum on the other hand know exactly who's town and who's not. It's really fucking easy for them to defend a townie and claim town cred for it when the townie flips. It happens all the time.
You're the one pushing for emotional mislynches (or pretending to do so), so why not stop and think.
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On December 18 2012 08:20 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm going to assume your post on JieXian. The problem is that you're holding some non-sensical and arbitrary double-standard, where JieXian is allowed to vote for whoever he wants because his top scumread is "never getting lynched", but CC on the other hand is scum for voting Morbidius when his own top scumread (thrawn) has no chance of getting lynched. Wrong, You think that CC actually thought Morb was guilty, on the contrary, he publicly stated otherwise. Also wrong thinking I have a double standard, I don't mind killing jie xian given that there is a potential of him being scum, but I won't do so until I check my hypothesis about cheesegrater. All of your claims about me are proven false, yet you still make them... I don't understand where your logic spurs from.
CC wanted to get someone lynched. I told you, a lynch is better than a no-lynch. That's how we play on TL. That's accepted optimal play on virtually every forum-mafia site. If you think otherwise, then you're wrong.
Hell I just read your case on Cheesecake. You misread and twist a lot of his posts. For example:
Mr.Cheesecake admits to knowing Thrawn is town with no indication that he ever thought otherwise - yet he was gunning for thrawn earlier
Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
But let's think about it if I'm scum. I could push Thrawn, who I know is town, to the very end. We lynch morb anyway. I'm in the clear and can flame about how everyone is an idiot for lynching him.
Town motiv for sheeping onto Morb: He might be scum, i don't want to no-lynch. Keeping my vote on thrawn = useless.
Mafia motiv for sheeping onto morb: None, Morb had a decent chance of getting lynched regardless. My vote would literally only be bad for myself. Okay... I know he's innocent, but I pushed for him up till a second ago? Nice play. Cheeseboard wants to lynch people for the sake of lynching them regardless of alignment
In this post, CC is talking in hypotheticals. He's saying "if I was scum, I'd know that Thrawn was town and push him." Yet you misread it and say that he thinks thrawn is town.
Your entire case on him is based on misreadings, as well as misunderstandings of what's considered optimal play in Forum Mafia.
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On December 18 2012 08:18 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote:
##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0 On the contrary, all evidence I've presented has been ignored with false claims being made that I had presented none... Given that you should be voting for yourself (since you ignored both cases I made).
Your cases are shit...
See the kind of posts I make. I expect even more than that from you right now.
Stop shitting the thread and post an extensive case against Cheesecake.
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I hope everyone sees that, despite my methods being a little unethical, hapa has been slipping and sliding like a racing car on an oil covered track... It's not about who's been nice to the town, it's not about who you like better... It's about who's picking out the scum. And though I haven't been nice, my story has remained the same, I've played the same character with the same few points.
Hapa has ignored the points I've created which valid and made arguments that only work with the assumption that those points never existed. He has an obsession with cheesecake and a mafiaslip to his name. He's also the only one to change his character (emotional state) 5 times now during the game... I really don't see how any more is needed to see who the scum are and it's the two I pointed out from the start.
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On December 18 2012 08:22 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:19 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 08:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 08:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
This is part of the reason I don't want to lynch Mr. CC. JieXian pushes CC in a horrendously scummy way. Think's he's scum, then places his vote on thrawn (flipped town) to "dare" Mr. CC to vote him? Yeah ok. actually that's false as proven by my post about him, he clearly voted for someone he didn't think was scum last time since no one would vote for his suspect. Last post on JieXian or on CC? On CC, I don't think Jie Xian is scum... He's saved too many townspeople or attempted to. A half-assed attempt to save a townie is not grounds to believe someone is town. It's really easy (and common) for mafia to defend townies they know will hang. They know townies allignment - it's a riskless play for mafia since they know they'll be right. It's more so reason to believe someone is town than a religious hold on proving that there isn't enough evidence to kill your friend while the same evidence is presented about someone else who becomes "obvious mafia"... How do you think this is a good play? It may fly, but that's only because the town has lost sense of the objective of the game.
What does this even mean?
Listen. I'm saying that it's really easy and common for mafia to defend townies that are certain to hang. It's very common in my experiences on TL. Mafia do it all the time because it requires no risk, and they can claim town-cred for being right.
If JieXian had an actual reason to think that Morbidius was town, I would agree with you. However, he just arbitrarily states that Morbidius is town a bunch of times and doesn't do much to prevent his lynch at all.
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On December 18 2012 08:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:18 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote:
##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0 On the contrary, all evidence I've presented has been ignored with false claims being made that I had presented none... Given that you should be voting for yourself (since you ignored both cases I made). Your cases are shit... See the kind of posts I make. I expect even more than that from you right now. Stop shitting the thread and post an extensive case against Cheesecake.
If you can't be bothered to read and want to lose the game (if you're town) because of it, then go ahead and do so. I've everything I've written is clearly worded.
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Rofl. Accusing Djo of not reading. That's funny coming from you.
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On December 18 2012 08:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Rofl. Accusing Djo of not reading. That's funny coming from you.
I've read everything in this thread including all of your half assed attempts at describing why stuff isn't as it seems... I'm sorry, if you have to explain for that much shit, it's because your plan has more holes than swiss cheese.
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I've made my case, civilian likely to be voted out today again, good job mafia.
##unvote
##vote eywa-
I'm going to eat, later.
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On December 18 2012 08:33 Eywa- wrote:
I've made my case, civilian likely to be voted out today again, good job mafia.
##unvote
##vote eywa-
I'm going to eat, later.
Present an extensive case please...
@ Kush
What do you think of him self-voting ?
Could you address my case this time please ?
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@ MrZentor
Your speculation is totally useless and wrong. Cut the crap and start contributing for real.
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Only scum would know whether it's correct or not.
Just sayin'
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On December 18 2012 08:57 MrZentor wrote:
Only scum would know whether it's correct or not.
Just sayin'
That's why you should stop, if you are not scum of course. We have no fucking way of knowing what scum would do or not do. Maybe they are just trolling us. I could totally imagine that right now...
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On December 18 2012 08:53 Djodref wrote:
@ MrZentor
Your speculation is totally useless and wrong. Cut the crap and start contributing for real.
On December 18 2012 09:03 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:57 MrZentor wrote:
Only scum would know whether it's correct or not.
Just sayin' That's why you should stop, if you are not scum of course. We have no fucking way of knowing what scum would do or not do. Maybe they are just trolling us. I could totally imagine that right now...
You contradict yourself, saying that my speculation is wrong, then saying that only scum know the validity of my speculation.
That was a pretty bad slip.
Is this your subtle way of claiming scum?
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Come on, I want to hear your pathetic excuse.
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Your speculation is totally useless and the conclusion you get from them is wrong. Hapa is certainly not scum.
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The main part of my speculation was that if Hapa is town, mafia has used both of their bullets.
And I am beginning to suspect that Hapa isn't scum, but only because of his recent rage.
I'm still wondering why you contradict yourself so much.
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On December 18 2012 04:10 MrZentor wrote:
It's unlikely that he's town.
It's unlikely, even if he's town, that scum has another bullet.
Also, waiting two hours won't stop him from getting shot if he's blue. If the witch hunter has bullets, it can shoot at any time.
This is so wrong. I mean, this conclusion is just so wrong.
We have no way to know what scum would do, but I totally disagree with what you find likely or not. Why ?
Because Hapa has been looking town all day during day 1.
There is no contradiction.
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But if
We have no fucking way of knowing what scum would do or not do.
How do we know that a scum won't try t acot like an helpful, active townie?
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