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AxleGreaser
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I will be working out some stuff. if you think I _really_ do need to know things you can say them but in general in the night phase as far as I know it is time to mmmm. I will be back in few hours. And say if I have got there yet. Ta guys it was epic, lets hope it still will still also be glorious. At least my heads in the game now. :| | ||
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I was aware that between http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17179532 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17179723 The time of the deadline had passed even if blue EOD had not. hence: yeah bummer Then I wrote: I need to count better, I think I have time Then i thought why am I posting EOD time? Wheres the banner? Ah ..... {double bummer} I now hope I have the problem I deserve.  be happy, its all good guys, trust the rusty gears are turning. | ||
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I have observed variety of motivations since i have been here. If you have knowledge that i dont you may perceive other reasons such as past meta to explain those actions. If so then my best estimations of motivation, are not the be all and end all, they are simply what i felt was going on in this game from my perspective. I have a clear strong read of intent, and then progressively worse ones. They will be summarised here then recounted with as much detail as i have time on the clock. It is important to note that as I now believe there is a shared basis of common knowledge some DetailS will be omitted as it is assumed we all know what they are. That represents a risk for me, as I am very knew to seeing them and may have missed some. Well Ok I certainly missed some in this game. My first strongest feeling, is that Rad has been interfering with my ability to hunt for scum by pressing me on matters, in an emotive way, that makes it harder for me to get feel read on what else is happening. One of the ways town recognises scum is that they do things that interfere with you. Unfortunately another actual town who does not know if you are town or scum must do that a bit too. That happened most clearly when I was pressed on what i had said prior to the game. and with various emotional pushes mad eon me that I think I have described before. I will do as much again now as I can. My second strongest feeling is actually for Yamato, which came back as a surprise to me, with the timing of one event which then made me reconsider things. It is for me often the timing of things that matters the most. This happened when I was questioning Oakmaster, I was doing it because it was important to me to know what level of skill there was behind what was being displayed. I took a statement he had made which he claimed he dis not understand and proceeded to very slowly show him what it meant. If I was in fact dealing with a person, playing in the open at the limit of their capacity at some point they would have learned something. Faking I do understand this and don't that is one thing faking the active process of learning is another. I am convinced Oak master understood what i said originally perfectly well. That was what I gained form that. As I was clearly proceeding with some intent, only one person decided no that would not do, and that was Yamato. My third strongest read is actually on Kick. This one is weird. When reading previous game s I was sure i would find, kick annoying to play with, a viable strategy but annoying. Instead found him helpful, and I am sorry kick, but as this is feel read Kick felt like yappy little dog, that hunts things out of the bushes. That is what qualifies this as my third read. Was that motivated by an actual desire to be helpful or just to buddy up? Again I don't have the meta to know. So you must combine my feel read with what you know. Thus if I could as this time I would V o t e Rad F O S Yamato f o s Kick | ||
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perhaps it was a legitimate question for out there. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17123728 It is also possible it is legitimate pressure here after all town has to find out if I am town somehow http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17160556 Oh and BTW who should turn up again and interfer with either my or Rads intent. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17167882 Yam http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17168212 Eventually at some point Rad does not want to deal with it anymore. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17169272 I would sugegst that indicates to me, he does not wish to argue this point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17160556 If you know why he was pressing me there, and what he found out that may explain it. For me I dont know, thus for me it reads strong scum intent, either that or a larger style of bird dog. Again that will be for you to judge. If you are in the fullness of time considering these you should read the thread in those regions for yourself. That is probably even better than me pulling out all the details, as if you let me paint all of the picture perhaps you would catch any confirmation bias i have. It occurs to me I did not understand the intent of this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17169643 and this highly uncharcteristic this one. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17170088 If you do, then while I may have perceived Rads role scum interfering it may have been he was a townie investigating an unknown. This http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17170088 did not just pop into existence There must be some reason that it was dropped at that time at the time that I happened I did not reach these conclusions as indicated I don't do that kind of thinking in real time. I have however reached the conclusion i should address Rads post more accurately as an immediate priority | ||
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I know it is not to bottom post or top post o something here but I am going to go through what I said and tear its intent down into bits. If Rad is now quite town, that makes his question real. It is a question of my intent. This to me ["Who was worse, blue oats trying to save himself last game, or you literally contributing nothing to this game but confusion."] means that this From last NMM obs: is now part of this game. It was my first ever post here. I had never made case before I was actually surprised it came together like. It starts "glhf" becuase it is a game that we play here it is not for keeps. "Its hammer time." because i believed the argument to be solid. "If this post is not what I ought put here, I am good with editing it away." States I am not sure how to deal with this but if I did it wrong, I am happy with how it gets fixed. "If OakMaster turns up would someone kindly direct him to this question, that might be best thrashed out here not in Day 1 of XXXII noob game (As that might terrify the natives)" What happens in the game ought stay in the game and it did. As this is my first ever game I have brought nothing out of any previous game into this one. "Oakmaster I have never played game of mafia in my life..... So you might tend to discount what I say. However if an utter wet noob can say this too you and be right... perhaps there is a real problem. Try getting some of obs to laugh at how silly these points are?" This block of text indicates it is not my position. "I might very well play in the next noob game depending when it starts. I do however want it to be a fun experience for both of us. I had however been tossing up the idea just not playing until you stop playing in the noobs. I have been having trouble working out what I am going to do so that if you and I play in a game I don't get mislynched D2." This might look like a scum slip, but as i have not played before, it is what it says it it is a concern about what might happen in the future, that is similar to what happened in the past. I could go on like that, through the whole thing i dont think thats profitable use of time. " glhf I do however want it to be a fun experience for both of us. As a noob seeking to learn. " "BTW: This is how you execute someone. Might it hurt his feelings? " There were two things to say with those two sentences I am not sure Iike how they might be misinterpretted. In particular I have since learned it is best to identify the problem ,then use the majority judgment of your team mates to work it out. As an iterated prisoners dilemma my first play was too big. Do note i claimed i had never considered an iterated prisoners dilemma with progressively increasing stakes before. As I had never used such a thing in a time constrained framework. It ended with "glhf." While i made mistakes, I believe especially after my questioning of him that was interfered with by yam that oats is playing this game just fine. My original read on Oats was there was more than met the eye to his play, it was betrayed by the bravado used, when challenging someone(forget who kicks?) to explain why he had made his first feel based vote and did not need to justify it. | ||
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Thus i am at v o t e RAD F O S Yam f o s Kick | ||
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Good thing i didn't have enough time to show all my cards. Life is always hard to say, so many layers of lies. Who is which kind of dog bird dog and attack dog, also how do you call one off. These are the questions I am learning about, now. That will take some deep reading of what just looked like faffing around before now. It may at times look like I am doing nothing, and hence look suspiciously like lurking and not sticking my neck out or committing to things, it will be important when reading me to try to work out how to distinguish that from my self claimed meta. Which is that while I know bunches of stuff about science, math, and even games in general. This is my first game of mafia. Hence my learning curve is steep. Now that is probably cleared up my head not only in the game, it is only in this game. Who is which kind of dog, bird dog and attack dog, also how do you call one off. These are the questions I am learning about. As I said learn by doing. I also like real people need sleep intermittently and food. Also John J Francis nails it best for me when he said "Ben do you believe in God and the words that preachers pray I've seen myself in a still, calm pool and I've heard a donkey bray" So yeah being calm is how I hunt. There is risk it makes me unreadable or AFK. It is a risk that i willingly take this time, a problem arises if I instead think about next time we play, and what might happen unless I learn rather a lot first. And just because it is important that people know where my head is at because I do I would think rather unnervingly keep changing my meta during the game, in that i am getting better fast I hope. I have realised that a doc flipping on D2 has some choices. The largest threat looks to be the town leader, but how much does the doc know? The doc can leverage not disclosing what they know to make the scum decision harder. gads that deep no wonder I dint see it, apparently it was a derp moment. You do in truth have to have been in game to see stuff like that. OOps. Also you can HiDE a Cop, but if he randomly got nk's you loose all his knowledge. I believe that is some standard knowledge that i am aware of. However if you supposed I know all about such similar things you would be wrong. BTW if the following is an error, it is an error, i cant possibly be thinking you dont know this. As I understand it we have at most two lynches left. Summary ppl act Who What (result) 9 L Oats G (8 7:1) 8 nk Doc T (7 6:1) 7 --- NLynch (7 6:1) 7 nk VT (6 5:1) 6 L ?? 5 nk ?? 4 MLyLo ?? mmmm so much thinking. | ||
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it was my evaluation of where were were at overnight. not of todays plays. | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:18 yamato77 wrote: ##Vote Arnarnion Because scummy actions day 1 and day 2 at lynch. 2 confirmed town both suspicious of you before their NK. Do something that makes me think you're not scum. @Arnarnion I am having difficulty working out what happened Day 1 and Day 2. QUESTION Would you mind explaining to me a bit what you in particular found scummy on D1 and D2 at Lynch about Yamato77? Aside: I know you saying everything you know here in an open forum, definitely informs scum. I also know you don't know if I am scum pumping you for information. but as i hope i have said somewhere in my meta me asking you questions conveys at least as much about my intent, as your answers do about what you know. We can thus both aid town by making our intentions clearer. You may already know yours are to most people clear as you share more common ground with them. Help me be better town, or explain why you think I scum please... Would you mind explaining to me a bit what you in particular found scummy on D1 and D2 at Lynch about Yamato77? While waiting for how long, is unclear, I will proceed to see what questions i can think of to ask in order to confirm the town intentions of other people. | ||
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What kind of scummy actions on D1 and at the D2 lynch? previous derp post Fixed version. On December 10 2012 13:46 AxleGreaser wrote: @yamato77 I am having difficulty working out what happened Day 1 and Day 2. QUESTION Would you mind explaining to me a bit what you in particular found scummy on D1 and D2 at Lynch about Yamato77? Aside: I know you saying everything you know here in an open forum, definitely informs scum. I also know you don't know if I am scum pumping you for information. but as i hope i have said somewhere in my meta me asking you questions conveys at least as much about my intent, as your answers do about what you know. We can thus both aid town by making our intentions clearer. You may already know yours are to most people clear as you share more common ground with them. Help me be better town, or explain why you think I scum please... Would you mind explaining to me a bit what you in particular found scummy on D1 and D2 at Lynch about Yamato77? While waiting for how long, is unclear, I will proceed to see what questions i can think of to ask in order to confirm the town intentions of other people. | ||
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Yamato you voted for Arnarnion... How come? If you show say one post that made you feel some way at the times stated perhaps then I can see what you mean? On December 10 2012 14:51 AxleGreaser wrote: Just to be clear this question is to @yamato. I would have thought by now that a vote for someone would have some substance and thought behind it. please could you explain yours more clearly. What kind of scummy actions on D1 and at the D2 lynch? previous derp post Fixed version. | ||
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On December 10 2012 16:14 yamato77 wrote: I will answer that in the morning, Axle, in six hours or so I will be here in 6 hours or so too. ta. | ||
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onto to something at this point. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2012 12:40 yamato77 wrote: EBWOP: Oh, you actually ARE avoiding me, cool. ##Vote AxleGreaser Would you care to either state what it was, or indicate you were mistaken? actually I am not sure I about the if you 'care to', please do one or the other. | ||
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My heads in the game, just this game, now I want to see if yours is. On December 04 2012 14:52 Oatsmaster wrote: What. Axle stop having a pity party and just play to the best of your ability. Read the thread, form opinions, ask questions, make a case, pressure people. Explain your scumread on yamato more. Trust is a two way street after all. | ||
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On December 10 2012 22:40 yamato77 wrote: I am hostile. I don't trust any of you but Jidol at the moment and all of you lurk a lot and don't ever push your reads. if you disagree come up with a better target with a more convincing case. if you can't do that and you still disagree you are hurting town's chances by causing no lynches which are bad trades because we 100% lose a town player every night. when I get home from this hell I call work I will make my case on Arn. You're free to disagree but you better do something productive then. Yamato. It is and was good you were hostile, that is a good town thing to do, it is also necessary I thought to show that I too simply did not easily trust, that as you look at me I look back at you. Crap can happen and voices can whisper in your ears, unless you are inherently hostile to being told what to do, then you are a risk to town. That I am not. It was however necessary for you to know the game I have got if called for. I do agree that although i found what look like scum slips from you early in the play, I will not make case with those as they appear to have been based on false premises. That was easy, and probably even reasonable to do. Are you here Yam Id like to chat about the time I was conversing with Oats. | ||
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On December 10 2012 22:50 yamato77 wrote: Hell Axle is better than you, Rad, and Arn combined in the past two days. I may have been a dick to him day 1/night 1 but I think he has his shit together right now. While it is nice of you to say that Yamato, I know what I am. It make me uneasy when other people try to tell me. Its all Ok, Like I just said, I regard D1 as necessary learning curve for me. | ||
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