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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:31 GMT
#400
On December 11 2012 09:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 09:26 debears wrote:
On December 11 2012 09:21 Palmar wrote:
On December 11 2012 09:18 debears wrote:
Palmar I love you right now <3


you better not be scum.


You as well. Otherwise that means I suck at this game....


Are you saying you have a townread on Palmar after he's made like 2 posts with knowledge of his alignment?


All I know at this point is that he agrees with my line of thinking.

So, if he is scum, that means my thinking is lined with a scum's thinking, and in other words, I'm bad.

But, for now, I like him
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:32 GMT
#401
Palmar didn't watch my video D:
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:36 GMT
#403
On December 11 2012 09:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, so let me put it this way.

If Palmar after making his video opened up his pm and turns out he's scum, what is he more likely to do.
1. 180 on all his reads he made in the video
2. Keep up with his prior reads regardless of who his teammates are

If he is scum, he hasn't had to think as one yet.


Ok. So?

If he is being truthful that he did not read his role pm, his reads were genuine in the video.

If he is lying about the pm, and he is town, his reads were genuine.

If he is lying about the pm, and he is scum, then he has corrupt reads. But, based on the fact that he agrees with me, and I have a town mindset, then I see him more likely to be town than scum.

I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset.

Do you see what I'm getting at?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:41 GMT
#405
On December 11 2012 09:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, so assume all you said is true. Palmar didn't read his pm when he did the video and now he has. How does that make him town? Regardless of him "playing as town" the first 24h because he did a video. How are you not getting this?


Please stop telling me who I should have a town read on. You don't like it? Vote me
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:43 GMT
#407
On December 11 2012 09:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
wtf dude. I'm just saying you have absolutely no reason to have any kind of read on him yet, unless you somehow got a read of him repeating the thoughts he had in the video.


You're acting like my read is set in stone :/
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:52 GMT
#410
On December 11 2012 09:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 09:36 debears wrote:

If he is lying about the pm, and he is scum, then he has corrupt reads. But, based on the fact that he agrees with me, and I have a town mindset, then I see him more likely to be town than scum.

I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset.

Do you see what I'm getting at?


No, this doesn't make sense.

"I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset"

First, Palmer didn't check his role pm. I'm already satisfied that he wasn't "acting" and I'm not even 20 minutes into the vid. So yes, his words in the video do come from a town perspective.

HOWEVER, the video tells us absolutely nothing about palmer's alignment. In that video, palmer does not know his alignment. So how could anyone know palmer's alignment from the video? (at least until we get a lot of his post pm-checking opinions) Do you really not see that?


Do you not see that, if he doesn't know his alignment, then his ideas were from a townie mindset?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:55 GMT
#412
On December 11 2012 09:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 09:52 debears wrote:
On December 11 2012 09:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 11 2012 09:36 debears wrote:

If he is lying about the pm, and he is scum, then he has corrupt reads. But, based on the fact that he agrees with me, and I have a town mindset, then I see him more likely to be town than scum.

I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset.

Do you see what I'm getting at?


No, this doesn't make sense.

"I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset"

First, Palmer didn't check his role pm. I'm already satisfied that he wasn't "acting" and I'm not even 20 minutes into the vid. So yes, his words in the video do come from a town perspective.

HOWEVER, the video tells us absolutely nothing about palmer's alignment. In that video, palmer does not know his alignment. So how could anyone know palmer's alignment from the video? (at least until we get a lot of his post pm-checking opinions) Do you really not see that?


Do you not see that, if he doesn't know his alignment, then his ideas were from a townie mindset?


Yes, dude, fuck. But you said "I'm bad if you're scum" which implies you believe he's town WHICH IS FUCKING DUMB


Well yeah. If he's scum making those reads and they are the same as mine then I'm an idiot. Fortunately, I don't think that's the case right now
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:58 GMT
#416
On December 11 2012 09:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK I GIVE UP FUCK YOU

HE MADE THE READS WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT, HOW CAN HIS READS THAT HE MADE BEFORE READING HIS PM BE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE


You and thrawn need to take a chillz pillz
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 01:02 GMT
#419
On December 11 2012 10:00 Palmar wrote:
Rofl, this is hilarious.

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU!


The real question is:

Am I stupid?
Am I joking?
Or am i both?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 01:04 GMT
#421
On December 11 2012 10:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
Stupid.


Well then, I guess a lynch will reveal which
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 01:14 GMT
#424
On December 11 2012 10:06 Adam4167 wrote:
Dabears, you seem to be misunderstanding what I mean by "If I wanted to call you scummy, I would have". This is not me giving an indication as to my read on his alignment one way or another, this was me saying "I will call you scum when I am more confident that it is the case". I found his initial opening to be strange as its not something I can imagine myself doing, so I wanted him to explain his motives behind it. He did, eventually and I can relate to hating the initial policy discussion. I find Thrawn most likely a town with a risky opening. I did what I did early game to try and get a reaction out of him, it wasn't entirely productive, but I have a tentative read on thrawn from it.


Now, I'm going to sit down and watch Palmars video and give my thoughts.


Are you sure I am just misunderstanding what you are saying?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 01:25 GMT
#426
Guys, I'm pretty sure Adam just claimed scum. Look at the difference in tone from the first two posts and the last one. He thinks I'm scum. Then, in the third, he claims I am "misunderstanding" his posting.

He doesn't accuse me of twisting his words. He doesn't accuse me of being scum pushing a mislynch. He just says "misunderstanding", as if he thinks I'm townie. He explains his whole reasoning for his thrawn thing to someone that he thinks is scum. That's weird, cuz he has a vote on me.

On December 10 2012 12:51 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 12:47 marvellosity wrote:
On December 10 2012 12:45 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
On December 10 2012 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah, but there's a difference between the original intentions of what I did and what comes out of it


no one knows your original intentions because you made a stupid play and then refused to explain it (I'm going to presume out of embarrassment, since anything else is just pathetic)

Adam, thoughts on debears?


He announced in thread to be voting for Thrawn, but the vote never made it into the voting thread, then he builds a case on me around not voting on someone that I had said I wasn't sure of the alignment of.

Ill be watching him closely today.



as opposed to the people you won't be watching closely? ...

your whole summarising comment leaves ambiguity for either dumb or scum, care to commit on which way you're actually leaning?


Right now, leaning scum.

I would like to know why he thinks I should of been voting for Thrawn from my exchange with him.



On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


On December 11 2012 10:06 Adam4167 wrote:
Dabears, you seem to be misunderstanding what I mean by "If I wanted to call you scummy, I would have". This is not me giving an indication as to my read on his alignment one way or another, this was me saying "I will call you scum when I am more confident that it is the case". I found his initial opening to be strange as its not something I can imagine myself doing, so I wanted him to explain his motives behind it. He did, eventually and I can relate to hating the initial policy discussion. I find Thrawn most likely a town with a risky opening. I did what I did early game to try and get a reaction out of him, it wasn't entirely productive, but I have a tentative read on thrawn from it.


Now, I'm going to sit down and watch Palmars video and give my thoughts.

debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 01:40 GMT
#430
"seem to be" means that you think that.

Why didn't you say "seem to be twisting my words" or "I was twisting your words" when you have a vote on me and think I'm scum????

hmmm?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 01:48 GMT
#433
Marvy baby. Thoughts on my recent posts on adam?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 02:30 GMT
#437
I know marv. All in good fun :D
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 03:32 GMT
#452
Clarity there are two problematic parts with the adam post

1) he uses the word "misunderstand", which implies that he thinks I am town. Yet, he has his vote on me and has called me scummy
2) He goes out of his way to explain his thrawn thing with someone who he thinks is scummy and he has a vote on

That's scummy. No questions asked
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 03:40 GMT
#455
On December 11 2012 12:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
Eh, sure it's a bit milder than his other posts, but note how his aggression is always reactionary to aggression...... I dunno, I just don't see how it's a scum thing.

Saying he forgot who he was pressuring is like saying BH forgot who his mason partner was, so it was just him being... nicer than his other posts?

Adam might be scum but I don't see how that "scumslip" suddenly condemns him, and like Thrawn am rather confused you "dropped" (yes I realize you said you didn't drop it) your vote on Tunkeg.

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 12:32 debears wrote:
Clarity there are two problematic parts with the adam post

1) he uses the word "misunderstand", which implies that he thinks I am town. Yet, he has his vote on me and has called me scummy
2) He goes out of his way to explain his thrawn thing with someone who he thinks is scummy and he has a vote on

That's scummy. No questions asked


What are you saying, that scum are incapable of misunderstanding anything?


Clarity, when you (town) are accusing someone of being scum, and they come at you with something, you don't say "misunderstand". You say "twisting my words" or "trying to cause a mislynch".

He has a vote on me. In other words, he thinks I'm scum

You don't say "you misunderstood" and then explain what you did to someone you think is a scum. That's dumb
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 03:41 GMT
#457
^^^

ty VE. Much better put than my words
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 03:48 GMT
#462
Yo Djo

What you think of the Adam stuff goin around?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 03:56 GMT
#466
On December 11 2012 12:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 12:43 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2012 12:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
Eh, sure it's a bit milder than his other posts, but note how his aggression is always reactionary to aggression...... I dunno, I just don't see how it's a scum thing.

Saying he forgot who he was pressuring is like saying BH forgot who his mason partner was, so it was just him being... nicer than his other posts?

Adam might be scum but I don't see how that "scumslip" suddenly condemns him, and like Thrawn am rather confused you "dropped" (yes I realize you said you didn't drop it) your vote on Tunkeg.

On December 11 2012 12:32 debears wrote:
Clarity there are two problematic parts with the adam post

1) he uses the word "misunderstand", which implies that he thinks I am town. Yet, he has his vote on me and has called me scummy
2) He goes out of his way to explain his thrawn thing with someone who he thinks is scummy and he has a vote on

That's scummy. No questions asked


What are you saying, that scum are incapable of misunderstanding anything?


so i'm still awake. how are the two remotely similar? stop talking nonsense. BH was just a total moron for a while. Would you suggest that's what's going on here??


Yes I understand, I'm just pointing out odds are he did not forget who his vote was on, that doesn't somehow absolve him.

I still don't see it/agree with the fact that it's a "scumslip. You guys are saying that a town Adam would say debears is twisting his words and lying, but again why is that the only thing he would say? Why can't a town Adam think a scum debears is misunderstanding him and just clarify, without him going "OMFG BTW UR SCUM!!!!"

Scum don't push scum agendas with every post, and town don't push their lynch with every post.....
Anyway I guess I'll just let Adam speak for himself but don't expect an Adam vote from me unless there's an actual case that goes beyond this one point.


That's really convenient clarity, because as far as I could tell he had only talked about me and thrawn. And he only called me scum.

He must have a really bad memory.

Anyways I have to read his case on Vivax

@everyone

didn't someone else make a case on vivax? If so can you tell me what page it is on?
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