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On December 08 2012 02:03 Lazermonkey wrote:
Austin, you requested my analysis of Sandroba yesterday, so here it is.
I get slight scum vibes from some parts of his filter. Like the post I mentioned earlier or the fact that he basically went ''Austin scum KKTHXBAI'' when you claimed kill check on him. I also think his filter is WAY too small given the time this game has taken. About 60% of his posts are in fact one liners. While posting very little can just be a trait of a lazy town, I still don't like it.
Yes, I must agree with that Sandroba has far from convinced me that he is town. In fact, had it not been for your claim, he might've been my second or third scum read for today. But given that you and him CANNOT have the same alignment(at least you cannot both be town and I'm okay with lynching you if he is bussing you nonetheless...), I simply think It's far more likely for you to be scum than for him to be.
Why is it more likely because of the claim?
If you believed before the claim that austin was not too scummy, then you believe that his actions through the whole game have had some sort of town motivation.
So, now that he claimed, you disregard his actions through the whole game based on the fact that him and sandroba can't both be town, especially when you believe sandroba's posting has scum motivation in it?
I'm not understanding this thought
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On December 08 2012 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 01:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Can you pkease switch off austin??? Seriously he is town as fuck. Get over the fact that ge did not crumb and pkay the way you would play tracker. I get the impression that ShiaoPi has in fact given up trying to convince us that his town instead trying to convince us that he is too stupid to be scum...
Wait what?
What's your read on shiaopi? scum or town?
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On December 08 2012 02:05 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 23:55 austinmcc wrote:If you are voting me, you are placing you vote with lazermonkey's. Lazermonkey who said N2 he hadn't done much analysis on Sandroba, and had problems with one of Sand's posts coming from town - + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 07:59 Lazermonkey wrote:Sandroba - I haven't done very much analysis on him either. However one of his posts earlier today caught my attention a bit. Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 21:28 sandroba wrote:
wow. you guys. really. you make me sad.
Remember that Sandrobawas not present during the lynch. Not even close, He basically went afk about 12 hours before it. Also, he doesn't actually comment on anything regarding the lynch. Just that it's bad. Saying stuff like this risk to demoralize town. So why would someone as town say this? I really don't see the motivation for it. Not really lych worthy but still. I will look more closely into sandroba later. Lazermonkey who drops a vote on me. Lazermonkey who admits that he hasn't looked at Sandroba (despite voting to lynch me), but will have lots of time today! + Show Spoiler +On December 07 2012 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Regarding Sandroba, no I haven't looked into him. As a matter of fact, I haven't looked into anyone today because I was really busy IRL. Will probebly be able to do that tomorrow. I did have a slight scum read on him, yes. But I didn't feel like pushing his lynch would be very beneficial because my scum reads on other players were much stronger. This is the company you're keeping. I'm not sure what your point is. This basically all boils down to that I was suspcious of Sandroba and yet I am voting you but guess what? You cannot both be town and I find you more likely to be scum. My point there is that from your conduct today, I think that you're probably mafia. You're up at the top of my list now.
My problem with not checking Sandroba is...well, it's partially shown again by your comment here.
(1) You say you're going to check dude x
(2) Dude x and dude y are lynch candidates the next day. Serious lynch candidate, vote is x or y
(3) You vote dude y, without even checking dude x, who you were going to check anyway and were suspicious of
(4) "you cannot both be town and I find you more likely to be scum" --> You admitted that you didn't go check up on Sandroba when you voted me. You "find me more likely to be scum," yet you didn't even look at the other candidate. Silliness. Scumminess.
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On December 08 2012 01:48 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 01:46 Xatalos wrote:
I'm leaning on austinmcc+ShiaoPi+Lazermonkey making the most sense right now. Although austinmcc has played relatively townish (except some things like not reacting to the supposed redcheck, lack of breadcrumbs, etcetc)... And I don't really see debears as Mafia at this point, but he'd have to be Mafia if austinmcc was town. I didn't "not react" to my watch. I reacted, but in a way that nobody likes. I decided to be sneaky, but don't seem to have done that well, and didn't get anything for it really. And no, I didn't crumb. But I generally haven't crumbed my roles, and I didn't crumb when I found a message in Bureaucracy, and didn't crumb when I shot someone in LVII.
Hmmm. I can somehow accept that you don't usually crumb, although it's stupid. But being "sneaky" (passive) after getting a redcheck is just too much to believe. I think your way of defending yourself today is townish, I really do... more townish than Sandroba's play today definitely... still, it's not enough to change my vote. I can't bring myself to believe you actually got a redcheck on Sandroba and didn't actively pursue that.
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So...
Sandroba
Lazermonkey
Is something I'm pretty positive on. Lazermonkey attacks ShiaoPi early on, votes him, pulls back a little from the pressure, but drops a case and a vote on him for D2. Stays on ShiaoPi for most of the game. That's about the only thing that gives me pause, is that early and often he's been calling out someone who is a top-tier candidate for scumbuddy.
We also know that scum NKed DYH last night. They wanted to kill him INSTEAD OF KILLING A NEAR-CONFIRMED MASON. The fact that they took out someone who claimed to be out of shots, rather than taking out BH and MrZ's mason chat, tells me that they really, really wanted DYH dead. One of the main things DYH was doing on D2 was trying to get votes for Lazermonkey, trying to get people to look at Lazermonkey. Because that's one of the defining characteristics of what he was doing, and because Sandroba didn't look like a likely lynch candidate when they sent in the N2 kill, I think that adds some weight to Lazermonkey being scum. Kill DYH, get him off Lazermonkey's back.
When Xatalos started D3, I didn't like the way he was making his vote or attacking me. I need to look back over that, because Lazermonkey has come off looking a lot worse as D3 drags on. Xatalos, ShiaoPi, debears (although I find him townie despite never saying anything much about him since D1) are all options. Keirathi secretly an option. If we're assuming 4 scum, then only one would be left after VE and the two above, just need to figure out which.
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On December 08 2012 02:14 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 01:48 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 01:46 Xatalos wrote:
I'm leaning on austinmcc+ShiaoPi+Lazermonkey making the most sense right now. Although austinmcc has played relatively townish (except some things like not reacting to the supposed redcheck, lack of breadcrumbs, etcetc)... And I don't really see debears as Mafia at this point, but he'd have to be Mafia if austinmcc was town. I didn't "not react" to my watch. I reacted, but in a way that nobody likes. I decided to be sneaky, but don't seem to have done that well, and didn't get anything for it really. And no, I didn't crumb. But I generally haven't crumbed my roles, and I didn't crumb when I found a message in Bureaucracy, and didn't crumb when I shot someone in LVII. Hmmm. I can somehow accept that you don't usually crumb, although it's stupid. But being "sneaky" (passive) after getting a redcheck is just too much to believe. I think your way of defending yourself today is townish, I really do... more townish than Sandroba's play today definitely... still, it's not enough to change my vote. I can't bring myself to believe you actually got a redcheck on Sandroba and didn't actively pursue that.
So I was playing townish on D1. I'm playing townish today. But you disagree with what I did D2.
That's fine.
But if I've mainly been playing townish, and Sandroba doesn't seem to be playing townish (and bee tee dubs, is supposedly lazy as scum), then I'm not entirely clear why the vote's on me.
If we kill sandroba today, he'll flip red. You guys will almost certainly see me flip tonight, because sandroba would be gone and scum would be taking a risk trying to kill someone without getting watched. They could try and be tricksy with targeting, but even that confirms me somewhat - a less-than-optimal NK shows that they're playing around a watch.
You may not believe I have a redcheck, fine. But that entirely overpowers the fact that I was playing townie on D1, townie today, that Sandroba isn't raelly playing townie? When I've got a history of being somewhat retarded with my roles (although less so than this I guess) and Sandroba has a history of being lazy scum?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
On December 08 2012 02:23 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 02:14 Xatalos wrote:On December 08 2012 01:48 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 01:46 Xatalos wrote:
I'm leaning on austinmcc+ShiaoPi+Lazermonkey making the most sense right now. Although austinmcc has played relatively townish (except some things like not reacting to the supposed redcheck, lack of breadcrumbs, etcetc)... And I don't really see debears as Mafia at this point, but he'd have to be Mafia if austinmcc was town. I didn't "not react" to my watch. I reacted, but in a way that nobody likes. I decided to be sneaky, but don't seem to have done that well, and didn't get anything for it really. And no, I didn't crumb. But I generally haven't crumbed my roles, and I didn't crumb when I found a message in Bureaucracy, and didn't crumb when I shot someone in LVII. Hmmm. I can somehow accept that you don't usually crumb, although it's stupid. But being "sneaky" (passive) after getting a redcheck is just too much to believe. I think your way of defending yourself today is townish, I really do... more townish than Sandroba's play today definitely... still, it's not enough to change my vote. I can't bring myself to believe you actually got a redcheck on Sandroba and didn't actively pursue that. So I was playing townish on D1. I'm playing townish today. But you disagree with what I did D2. That's fine. But if I've mainly been playing townish, and Sandroba doesn't seem to be playing townish (and bee tee dubs, is supposedly lazy as scum), then I'm not entirely clear why the vote's on me. If we kill sandroba today, he'll flip red. You guys will almost certainly see me flip tonight, because sandroba would be gone and scum would be taking a risk trying to kill someone without getting watched. They could try and be tricksy with targeting, but even that confirms me somewhat - a less-than-optimal NK shows that they're playing around a watch. You may not believe I have a redcheck, fine. But that entirely overpowers the fact that I was playing townie on D1, townie today, that Sandroba isn't raelly playing townie? When I've got a history of being somewhat retarded with my roles (although less so than this I guess) and Sandroba has a history of being lazy scum?
Thats ehst I have been trying to say all day, they dont lisren...
Also lazer, you shoild learn to read
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On December 08 2012 02:09 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 08 2012 01:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Can you pkease switch off austin??? Seriously he is town as fuck. Get over the fact that ge did not crumb and pkay the way you would play tracker. I get the impression that ShiaoPi has in fact given up trying to convince us that his town instead trying to convince us that he is too stupid to be scum... Wait what? What's your read on shiaopi? scum or town?
I am also really interested in this
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On December 08 2012 02:09 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 08 2012 01:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Can you pkease switch off austin??? Seriously he is town as fuck. Get over the fact that ge did not crumb and pkay the way you would play tracker. I get the impression that ShiaoPi has in fact given up trying to convince us that his town instead trying to convince us that he is too stupid to be scum... Wait what? What's your read on shiaopi? scum or town? I have had him as scum since D1
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Blazinghand
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rolecrumbs have no meaning trout-twirlers. its check crumbs
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On December 08 2012 02:23 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 02:14 Xatalos wrote:On December 08 2012 01:48 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 01:46 Xatalos wrote:
I'm leaning on austinmcc+ShiaoPi+Lazermonkey making the most sense right now. Although austinmcc has played relatively townish (except some things like not reacting to the supposed redcheck, lack of breadcrumbs, etcetc)... And I don't really see debears as Mafia at this point, but he'd have to be Mafia if austinmcc was town. I didn't "not react" to my watch. I reacted, but in a way that nobody likes. I decided to be sneaky, but don't seem to have done that well, and didn't get anything for it really. And no, I didn't crumb. But I generally haven't crumbed my roles, and I didn't crumb when I found a message in Bureaucracy, and didn't crumb when I shot someone in LVII. Hmmm. I can somehow accept that you don't usually crumb, although it's stupid. But being "sneaky" (passive) after getting a redcheck is just too much to believe. I think your way of defending yourself today is townish, I really do... more townish than Sandroba's play today definitely... still, it's not enough to change my vote. I can't bring myself to believe you actually got a redcheck on Sandroba and didn't actively pursue that. So I was playing townish on D1. I'm playing townish today. But you disagree with what I did D2. That's fine. But if I've mainly been playing townish, and Sandroba doesn't seem to be playing townish (and bee tee dubs, is supposedly lazy as scum), then I'm not entirely clear why the vote's on me. If we kill sandroba today, he'll flip red. You guys will almost certainly see me flip tonight, because sandroba would be gone and scum would be taking a risk trying to kill someone without getting watched. They could try and be tricksy with targeting, but even that confirms me somewhat - a less-than-optimal NK shows that they're playing around a watch. You may not believe I have a redcheck, fine. But that entirely overpowers the fact that I was playing townie on D1, townie today, that Sandroba isn't raelly playing townie? When I've got a history of being somewhat retarded with my roles (although less so than this I guess) and Sandroba has a history of being lazy scum?
Ugh........ This is hard. It's a good point that Sandroba is supposed to be lazy as Mafia... and he's playing very lazy now... and not exactly townish either... while you're playing active and townish... meaning he might be the Mafia after all......? Even though your Day 2 doesn't make really sense as town. But you've played retarded as town before, I guess. Now I'm unsure again.
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On December 08 2012 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 02:09 debears wrote:On December 08 2012 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 08 2012 01:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Can you pkease switch off austin??? Seriously he is town as fuck. Get over the fact that ge did not crumb and pkay the way you would play tracker. I get the impression that ShiaoPi has in fact given up trying to convince us that his town instead trying to convince us that he is too stupid to be scum... Wait what? What's your read on shiaopi? scum or town? I have had him as scum since D1
So what happens if
1) Austin flips watcher or
2) Austin flips scum?
What's your read on ShiaoPi in both situations?
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On December 08 2012 02:07 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 02:03 Lazermonkey wrote:
Austin, you requested my analysis of Sandroba yesterday, so here it is.
I get slight scum vibes from some parts of his filter. Like the post I mentioned earlier or the fact that he basically went ''Austin scum KKTHXBAI'' when you claimed kill check on him. I also think his filter is WAY too small given the time this game has taken. About 60% of his posts are in fact one liners. While posting very little can just be a trait of a lazy town, I still don't like it.
Yes, I must agree with that Sandroba has far from convinced me that he is town. In fact, had it not been for your claim, he might've been my second or third scum read for today. But given that you and him CANNOT have the same alignment(at least you cannot both be town and I'm okay with lynching you if he is bussing you nonetheless...), I simply think It's far more likely for you to be scum than for him to be. Why is it more likely because of the claim? If you believed before the claim that austin was not too scummy, then you believe that his actions through the whole game have had some sort of town motivation. So, now that he claimed, you disregard his actions through the whole game based on the fact that him and sandroba can't both be town, especially when you believe sandroba's posting has scum motivation in it? I'm not understanding this thought Like I said, the way Austin played with his scum check makes very little sense to me if he were to be town. Is he however scum it makes quite alot of sense. Trading 1 on 1 with someone most players had a town read on, especially since there were quite a few persons claiming to have a town read on Sandroba seems like a quuite good idea also.
Yes, I am not voting him because of his play in the past. I did think his interaction with ShiaoPi were abit scummy but not lynchable really. The reason why I want him dead is indeed the way he used his check.
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On December 08 2012 02:37 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 08 2012 02:09 debears wrote:On December 08 2012 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 08 2012 01:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Can you pkease switch off austin??? Seriously he is town as fuck. Get over the fact that ge did not crumb and pkay the way you would play tracker. I get the impression that ShiaoPi has in fact given up trying to convince us that his town instead trying to convince us that he is too stupid to be scum... Wait what? What's your read on shiaopi? scum or town? I have had him as scum since D1 So what happens if 1) Austin flips watcher or 2) Austin flips scum? What's your read on ShiaoPi in both situations?
1.He is scum
2.he is scum
I don't see why it would change anything. His interactions with Sandroba have been so insanely silly today.
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On December 08 2012 02:28 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 02:23 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 02:14 Xatalos wrote:On December 08 2012 01:48 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 01:46 Xatalos wrote:
I'm leaning on austinmcc+ShiaoPi+Lazermonkey making the most sense right now. Although austinmcc has played relatively townish (except some things like not reacting to the supposed redcheck, lack of breadcrumbs, etcetc)... And I don't really see debears as Mafia at this point, but he'd have to be Mafia if austinmcc was town. I didn't "not react" to my watch. I reacted, but in a way that nobody likes. I decided to be sneaky, but don't seem to have done that well, and didn't get anything for it really. And no, I didn't crumb. But I generally haven't crumbed my roles, and I didn't crumb when I found a message in Bureaucracy, and didn't crumb when I shot someone in LVII. Hmmm. I can somehow accept that you don't usually crumb, although it's stupid. But being "sneaky" (passive) after getting a redcheck is just too much to believe. I think your way of defending yourself today is townish, I really do... more townish than Sandroba's play today definitely... still, it's not enough to change my vote. I can't bring myself to believe you actually got a redcheck on Sandroba and didn't actively pursue that. So I was playing townish on D1. I'm playing townish today. But you disagree with what I did D2. That's fine. But if I've mainly been playing townish, and Sandroba doesn't seem to be playing townish (and bee tee dubs, is supposedly lazy as scum), then I'm not entirely clear why the vote's on me. If we kill sandroba today, he'll flip red. You guys will almost certainly see me flip tonight, because sandroba would be gone and scum would be taking a risk trying to kill someone without getting watched. They could try and be tricksy with targeting, but even that confirms me somewhat - a less-than-optimal NK shows that they're playing around a watch. You may not believe I have a redcheck, fine. But that entirely overpowers the fact that I was playing townie on D1, townie today, that Sandroba isn't raelly playing townie? When I've got a history of being somewhat retarded with my roles (although less so than this I guess) and Sandroba has a history of being lazy scum? Thats ehst I have been trying to say all day, they dont lisren... Also lazer, you shoild learn to read ¿Qué?
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I'm not being lazy, I just don't see the point in repeating the obvious ten times over. Austin is for sure putting in a good show, but that's to be expected since it's likely he put all his chips in this silly move. I am reading this constantly, I just don't feel like participating in this circular argument.
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On December 08 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 02:05 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 07 2012 23:55 austinmcc wrote:If you are voting me, you are placing you vote with lazermonkey's. Lazermonkey who said N2 he hadn't done much analysis on Sandroba, and had problems with one of Sand's posts coming from town - + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 07:59 Lazermonkey wrote:Sandroba - I haven't done very much analysis on him either. However one of his posts earlier today caught my attention a bit. Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 21:28 sandroba wrote:
wow. you guys. really. you make me sad.
Remember that Sandrobawas not present during the lynch. Not even close, He basically went afk about 12 hours before it. Also, he doesn't actually comment on anything regarding the lynch. Just that it's bad. Saying stuff like this risk to demoralize town. So why would someone as town say this? I really don't see the motivation for it. Not really lych worthy but still. I will look more closely into sandroba later. Lazermonkey who drops a vote on me. Lazermonkey who admits that he hasn't looked at Sandroba (despite voting to lynch me), but will have lots of time today! + Show Spoiler +On December 07 2012 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Regarding Sandroba, no I haven't looked into him. As a matter of fact, I haven't looked into anyone today because I was really busy IRL. Will probebly be able to do that tomorrow. I did have a slight scum read on him, yes. But I didn't feel like pushing his lynch would be very beneficial because my scum reads on other players were much stronger. This is the company you're keeping. I'm not sure what your point is. This basically all boils down to that I was suspcious of Sandroba and yet I am voting you but guess what? You cannot both be town and I find you more likely to be scum. My point there is that from your conduct today, I think that you're probably mafia. You're up at the top of my list now. My problem with not checking Sandroba is...well, it's partially shown again by your comment here. (1) You say you're going to check dude x (2) Dude x and dude y are lynch candidates the next day. Serious lynch candidate, vote is x or y (3) You vote dude y, without even checking dude x, who you were going to check anyway and were suspicious of (4) "you cannot both be town and I find you more likely to be scum" --> You admitted that you didn't go check up on Sandroba when you voted me. You "find me more likely to be scum," yet you didn't even look at the other candidate. Silliness. Scumminess. Well, I vote you with about 30 hours left to lynch so I had alot of time to reconsider. Also, I did look into Sandroba today, so what are you smoking?
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On December 08 2012 02:42 sandroba wrote:
I'm not being lazy, I just don't see the point in repeating the obvious ten times over. Austin is for sure putting in a good show, but that's to be expected since it's likely he put all his chips in this silly move. I am reading this constantly, I just don't feel like participating in this circular argument.
Hi town, it's me, austinmcc, and I'm one of you.
You are pretty sure that only one of Sandroba or I is town, and the other is mafia.
I am either town and trying to figure the game out today, trying to leave you with my thoughts, trying to pull extra information out of other players OR I'm putting on a show of it. I'm asking for logs, I'm poking at lazermonkey, I'm actually doing things to get reads and push the game forward. But yes, I could be making a show of it.
On the other hand, Sandroba, at most, is ... reading. That's nice of him, and it's nice he thinks today has just been a circular argument, but it hasn't.
Today you will probably lynch me or lynch Sandroba. The game will almost certainly not end.
Sandroba is putting no effort into the longer game. Sandroba is putting no effort into figuring things out. Sandroba is content to sit back and read, not engage, and do nothing.
If I'm actually trying to push the game forward today, that fits. I'm town; he's scum; we're playing about how you'd expect.
If I'm putting on a show of it...what is he doing? In that world, I'm mafia and he's town. Yet he's not making an effort to do anything beyond see me lynched. He's not trying to figure the game out, he's not engaging in any discussion, he's not asking for logs from our claimed masons. If you think that I'm just putting on a show, then why isn't Sandroba trying to do anything today?
Becuase either he gets lynched today or tomorrow. There's no reason for him to put effort into this game, because he's dead either way. I'll flip watcher, you'll lynch him. There's absolutely no scenario where he survives and helps his team, so there's no reason for him to put in any effort.
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