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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 07 2012 17:58 GMT
#1881
Huh? I'm not posting huge walls of nonsense because I have no agenda to get some townie lynch and trade with him one for one. If people were being dumb enough to believe your ridiculous claim, yes, I would have to maybe argue a bit more, but lucky that isn't needed.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 07 2012 17:59 GMT
#1882
On December 08 2012 02:49 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 02:42 sandroba wrote:
I'm not being lazy, I just don't see the point in repeating the obvious ten times over. Austin is for sure putting in a good show, but that's to be expected since it's likely he put all his chips in this silly move. I am reading this constantly, I just don't feel like participating in this circular argument.

Hi town, it's me, austinmcc, and I'm one of you.

You are pretty sure that only one of Sandroba or I is town, and the other is mafia.

I am either town and trying to figure the game out today, trying to leave you with my thoughts, trying to pull extra information out of other players OR I'm putting on a show of it. I'm asking for logs, I'm poking at lazermonkey, I'm actually doing things to get reads and push the game forward. But yes, I could be making a show of it.

On the other hand, Sandroba, at most, is ... reading. That's nice of him, and it's nice he thinks today has just been a circular argument, but it hasn't.

Today you will probably lynch me or lynch Sandroba. The game will almost certainly not end.

Sandroba is putting no effort into the longer game. Sandroba is putting no effort into figuring things out. Sandroba is content to sit back and read, not engage, and do nothing.


If I'm actually trying to push the game forward today, that fits. I'm town; he's scum; we're playing about how you'd expect.

If I'm putting on a show of it...what is he doing? In that world, I'm mafia and he's town. Yet he's not making an effort to do anything beyond see me lynched. He's not trying to figure the game out, he's not engaging in any discussion, he's not asking for logs from our claimed masons. If you think that I'm just putting on a show, then why isn't Sandroba trying to do anything today?

Becuase either he gets lynched today or tomorrow. There's no reason for him to put effort into this game, because he's dead either way. I'll flip watcher, you'll lynch him. There's absolutely no scenario where he survives and helps his team, so there's no reason for him to put in any effort.


I'm actually starting to believe in the possibility of you being town. Sandroba playing like he has would definitely fit a Mafia who has given up and isn't going to leak any more information, since he's dead soon. But you've continued pushing even harder to play the game when your death has seemed almost certain. That's not how I'd expect Mafia to play at all. And if you're Mafia, you have really done an incredible job of appearing so townish throughout the game... I'm seriously reconsidering right now.

Sandroba, how about you try adding something to the discussion?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 07 2012 18:01 GMT
#1883
What would you like me to add? I made my stance pretty clear on everybody in this game.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 07 2012 18:02 GMT
#1884
On December 08 2012 02:59 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 02:49 austinmcc wrote:
On December 08 2012 02:42 sandroba wrote:
I'm not being lazy, I just don't see the point in repeating the obvious ten times over. Austin is for sure putting in a good show, but that's to be expected since it's likely he put all his chips in this silly move. I am reading this constantly, I just don't feel like participating in this circular argument.

Hi town, it's me, austinmcc, and I'm one of you.

You are pretty sure that only one of Sandroba or I is town, and the other is mafia.

I am either town and trying to figure the game out today, trying to leave you with my thoughts, trying to pull extra information out of other players OR I'm putting on a show of it. I'm asking for logs, I'm poking at lazermonkey, I'm actually doing things to get reads and push the game forward. But yes, I could be making a show of it.

On the other hand, Sandroba, at most, is ... reading. That's nice of him, and it's nice he thinks today has just been a circular argument, but it hasn't.

Today you will probably lynch me or lynch Sandroba. The game will almost certainly not end.

Sandroba is putting no effort into the longer game. Sandroba is putting no effort into figuring things out. Sandroba is content to sit back and read, not engage, and do nothing.


If I'm actually trying to push the game forward today, that fits. I'm town; he's scum; we're playing about how you'd expect.

If I'm putting on a show of it...what is he doing? In that world, I'm mafia and he's town. Yet he's not making an effort to do anything beyond see me lynched. He's not trying to figure the game out, he's not engaging in any discussion, he's not asking for logs from our claimed masons. If you think that I'm just putting on a show, then why isn't Sandroba trying to do anything today?

Becuase either he gets lynched today or tomorrow. There's no reason for him to put effort into this game, because he's dead either way. I'll flip watcher, you'll lynch him. There's absolutely no scenario where he survives and helps his team, so there's no reason for him to put in any effort.


I'm actually starting to believe in the possibility of you being town. Sandroba playing like he has would definitely fit a Mafia who has given up and isn't going to leak any more information, since he's dead soon. But you've continued pushing even harder to play the game when your death has seemed almost certain. That's not how I'd expect Mafia to play at all. And if you're Mafia, you have really done an incredible job of appearing so townish throughout the game... I'm seriously reconsidering right now.

Sandroba, how about you try adding something to the discussion?

Yea, I'm seriously considering switching again.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 07 2012 18:06 GMT
#1885
For a limited time, I promise to blame only BH for the votes on me today (And myself).
Fe fi fo fum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 07 2012 18:07 GMT
#1886
Seriously, if all that it took for scum was to spam the same shit over and over and outpost common sense out of people you wouldn't see town winning any games. This guy made the most absurd claim of all times. His previous behavior doesn't even fit his own fake claim. Balance wise there isn't even a possibility there are this many roles. And you want me to "add something to the discussion"? This dude digged his own grave. Put yourself in my position for a minute and see if it makes any sense for me to keep yapping on and on about how this dude is confirmed scum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 07 2012 18:08 GMT
#1887
EBWOP: Dug his own grave. English too hard.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 07 2012 18:11 GMT
#1888
My post doesn't point out that you're not yapping on and on about me.

You're doing nothing. You're acting like this game has paused for 48 hours, because it's just you and me up for lynch today. Whereas I'm acting like "Oh crap, I might die today, better work hard and make up for my mistake and leave town with everything I can."

One of those is a townie reaction. One is the reaction of someone who knows he's dead and nobody will believe anything he says shortly anyway.
Fe fi fo fum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 07 2012 18:16 GMT
#1889
Actually it's paused for 120 hours. We were supposed to lynch Shiaopi 5 days ago.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 07 2012 18:17 GMT
#1890
Or "I want to fake claim, I better make this work, instead of just suiciding"
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 07 2012 18:19 GMT
#1891
On December 08 2012 03:17 sandroba wrote:
Or "I want to fake claim, I better make this work, instead of just suiciding"

If that's my thought process then I wouldn't have claimed right at the end of N2.
Fe fi fo fum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 07 2012 18:20 GMT
#1892
##Unvote austinmcc
##Vote sandroba


My gut right now says that despite all the reasons to believe his claim is bullshit, that austin is just trying too hard to be scum.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
December 07 2012 18:20 GMT
#1893
Come on guys switch so I can go to sleep with an eased mind, look atcsandrobas play, its ridiculous!
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 07 2012 18:22 GMT
#1894
On December 08 2012 03:20 Keirathi wrote:
##Unvote austinmcc
##Vote sandroba


My gut right now says that despite all the reasons to believe his claim is bullshit, that austin is just trying too hard to be scum.

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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 07 2012 18:22 GMT
#1895
On December 08 2012 02:42 sandroba wrote:
I'm not being lazy, I just don't see the point in repeating the obvious ten times over. Austin is for sure putting in a good show, but that's to be expected since it's likely he put all his chips in this silly move. I am reading this constantly, I just don't feel like participating in this circular argument.


On December 08 2012 02:58 sandroba wrote:
Huh? I'm not posting huge walls of nonsense because I have no agenda to get some townie lynch and trade with him one for one. If people were being dumb enough to believe your ridiculous claim, yes, I would have to maybe argue a bit more, but lucky that isn't needed.


On December 08 2012 03:01 sandroba wrote:
What would you like me to add? I made my stance pretty clear on everybody in this game.


On December 08 2012 03:16 sandroba wrote:
Actually it's paused for 120 hours. We were supposed to lynch Shiaopi 5 days ago.


Sandroba, you're not making this easy. Even if you say you're not being lazy, what are these posts if not lazy? They don't contribute anything, they don't add any new information to the thread, they do absolutely nothing. If this goes on, I'll start having some serious trouble believing you're town and still playing like this.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 07 2012 18:24 GMT
#1896
On December 08 2012 03:22 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 02:42 sandroba wrote:
I'm not being lazy, I just don't see the point in repeating the obvious ten times over. Austin is for sure putting in a good show, but that's to be expected since it's likely he put all his chips in this silly move. I am reading this constantly, I just don't feel like participating in this circular argument.


Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 02:58 sandroba wrote:
Huh? I'm not posting huge walls of nonsense because I have no agenda to get some townie lynch and trade with him one for one. If people were being dumb enough to believe your ridiculous claim, yes, I would have to maybe argue a bit more, but lucky that isn't needed.


Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 03:01 sandroba wrote:
What would you like me to add? I made my stance pretty clear on everybody in this game.


Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 03:16 sandroba wrote:
Actually it's paused for 120 hours. We were supposed to lynch Shiaopi 5 days ago.


Sandroba, you're not making this easy. Even if you say you're not being lazy, what are these posts if not lazy? They don't contribute anything, they don't add any new information to the thread, they do absolutely nothing. If this goes on, I'll start having some serious trouble believing you're town and still playing like this.

Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 07 2012 18:24 GMT
#1897
EBWOP: misclicked, meant to hit preview

Wanted to cut that quote down if it all pasted visible.

My comment added was going to be that there's not a whole lot of "if this goes on" left. "If this goes on," I'll flip watcher and you won't believe he's town at all.
Fe fi fo fum.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 07 2012 18:25 GMT
#1898
On December 08 2012 03:20 Keirathi wrote:
##Unvote austinmcc
##Vote sandroba


My gut right now says that despite all the reasons to believe his claim is bullshit, that austin is just trying too hard to be scum.


Alright, I'm in as well.

##Unvote austinmcc
##Vote Sandroba


At the very least this should force Sandroba to do something useful today. And considering austinmcc's devotion to pushing the discussion today, I'm starting to have cold feet about austinmcc flipping red.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 07 2012 18:36 GMT
#1899
BH, MrZentor, debears, are you there? What are your opinions on this?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 07 2012 18:40 GMT
#1900
Unofficial un-formatted votecount is that it's 4-4 right now, me set to be lynched, debears not voting.

BH. Partially on your shoulders now. I don't see sandroba changing his vote, nor Lazermonkey. I'll keep answering any questions you have, if you've still got them. But right now I think I've been pretty clear. You don't believe I acted in accordance with my claim, fine. But you also made a case on your mason buddy. I'm not claiming I forgot my check on Sandroba, but it's not like everyone always uses their roles perfectly here.

Fe fi fo fum.
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