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On December 07 2012 21:38 Xatalos wrote:Hmmm.... debears, debears... I'm having some trouble figuring him out. On the other hand, when I read his filter, he is basically commenting on anything he notices and generally seems like a genuine carefree townie. But on the other hand, his posts about austinmcc today strike me as weird. At first he wanted to lynch Sandroba based on some speculation, then he hesitated some more, finally coming to the conclusion that he wanted to lynch austinmcc after all. This would fit with Mafia reluctantly bussing his teammate when left no other option. But then I keep coming back to this post. Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:05 debears wrote:On December 02 2012 09:03 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 09:03 debears wrote:
Because its different in a way scum would not know surely if your PM is different from a townflip, that wouldn't help?  i'm missing something here Actually nvm. I think we should save it for lylo It could be helpful. EVERYONE WHO IS TOWN. LOOK AT YOUR ROLE PM COMPARED TO MARV'S AND THE ONE REVEALED TO BE DP'S DON'T REVEAL IF IT'S DIFFERENT YET. WAIT UNTIL LYLO IF NEED BE THEN REVEAL I just don't see Mafia posting something like this (or some other posts of his either). I'm starting to get a bit paranoid about the differently highlighted PM's myself, and I wonder if debears actually knows something about this that he's going to save until LYLO. Maybe some special role? Or special PM? Then again, why is debears so confident that he's going to live until LYLO anyway? Could that be a scumslip? Ugh... This setup is the weirdest one I've ever played, that's for sure.
Maybe I can't be lynched 
wifomwifomwifom
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Argle bargle.
I've seen a couple "he didn't act on the redcheck." He did. He just didn't act in any of the ways you want.
BH,
The ShiaoPi vote was interesting and I thought about trying to get behind lynching him, but that doesn't do anything. That puts today off until tomorrow, because scum will just send Sandroba to kill not-me, and we'll be right back here. I'd rather get this out of the way today.
Mason logs. I asked Keirathi for his with WBG. I asked you for yours with MrZ. I asked you for follow-up, more logs, just to make sure. I'm still trying to think through this game, figure out who's the remaining scum and whether all these claims are true. I'm assuming that you can understand why I'd want to see logs, and why you posted a second set immediately clears you guys to me. Is that a scummy thought process? If I'm scum, set to be lynched today, am I really thinking about confirming our masons? Heck...NOBODY ELSE seems to have been worried about this, to want follow-up logs from you guys. Sandroba doesn't seem to want to do anything at all today, other than I guess note that I could be a traitor.
Not only am I asking for logs, I'm clearly reading though. I pick out that you talk about scum numbers, which is something that would normally be concerning (being SURE of scum numbers in a closed setup), but oh well. The logs themselves confirm you so I drop it.
If I'm scum, I'm probably not the only person in this game asking for logs to try and confirm you guys. If I'm scum, even IF I'm sneaky and ask for logs, I'm probably not reading through them.
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If you are voting me, you are placing you vote with lazermonkey's.
Lazermonkey who said N2 he hadn't done much analysis on Sandroba, and had problems with one of Sand's posts coming from town - + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 07:59 Lazermonkey wrote:Sandroba - I haven't done very much analysis on him either. However one of his posts earlier today caught my attention a bit. Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 21:28 sandroba wrote:
wow. you guys. really. you make me sad.
Remember that Sandrobawas not present during the lynch. Not even close, He basically went afk about 12 hours before it. Also, he doesn't actually comment on anything regarding the lynch. Just that it's bad. Saying stuff like this risk to demoralize town. So why would someone as town say this? I really don't see the motivation for it. Not really lych worthy but still. I will look more closely into sandroba later.
Lazermonkey who drops a vote on me.
Lazermonkey who admits that he hasn't looked at Sandroba (despite voting to lynch me), but will have lots of time today! + Show Spoiler +On December 07 2012 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Regarding Sandroba, no I haven't looked into him. As a matter of fact, I haven't looked into anyone today because I was really busy IRL. Will probebly be able to do that tomorrow. I did have a slight scum read on him, yes. But I didn't feel like pushing his lynch would be very beneficial because my scum reads on other players were much stronger.
This is the company you're keeping.
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Austin
Please explain wht you didn't breadcrumb at all your role or checks.
What was your thought process?
Did you not think of how you would do it right after reading your pm?
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On December 08 2012 00:41 debears wrote:
Austin
Please explain wht you didn't breadcrumb at all your role or checks.
What was your thought process?
Did you not think of how you would do it right after reading your pm? I thought about it, but I actually figured everyone would just accept my claim. I felt that I'd done a good job of looking townie on D1, everyone seemed to have me as a town read, and so I figured town read --> claim --> lbe trusted --> lynch sandroba --> near-confirmed.
A couple times throughout the day I thought about crumbing, including towards the very end (crumb it right before claiming). I figured that any later crumbing wouldn't do anything for people who don't care about crumbs, and wouldn't be very believable for people who wanted crumbs, so I figured I'd missed my window. In my head, it looks MORE suspicious to have crumbs at the end of a cycle, during the second night, than it would have to just not have crumbs at all.
Along with general "HAI GAIZ CRUMBING CAN BE FAKED."
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On December 08 2012 00:47 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 00:41 debears wrote:
Austin
Please explain wht you didn't breadcrumb at all your role or checks.
What was your thought process?
Did you not think of how you would do it right after reading your pm? I thought about it, but I actually figured everyone would just accept my claim. I felt that I'd done a good job of looking townie on D1, everyone seemed to have me as a town read, and so I figured town read --> claim --> lbe trusted --> lynch sandroba --> near-confirmed. A couple times throughout the day I thought about crumbing, including towards the very end (crumb it right before claiming). I figured that any later crumbing wouldn't do anything for people who don't care about crumbs, and wouldn't be very believable for people who wanted crumbs, so I figured I'd missed my window. In my head, it looks MORE suspicious to have crumbs at the end of a cycle, during the second night, than it would have to just not have crumbs at all. Along with general "HAI GAIZ CRUMBING CAN BE FAKED."
But why wouldnt u just crumb early d1 :/
Generally, it makes claims more believable
1) mafia would have to think ahead, a little too far ahead imo
2) if a mafia crumbed more than one role, the other crumbs have a chance at being found
From what I see its just standard play to do so if you're a blue
Do you have any other games where you were blue?
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On December 08 2012 00:55 debears wrote:
Do you have any other games where you were blue?
On December 06 2012 23:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 12:42 Keirathi wrote:
Also, you were scum in Aperture 2. Your partner Hiro bussed your godfather/joat on day 1. Yet you didn't even CONSIDER the possibility that sandroba was? Or that WBG could actually be town? Of course I considered the possibility. I didn't know what to make of ShiaoPi. Everything I wrote about WBG were my true thoughts, regardless of Sandroba's comments. There's absolutely a possibility that my read was wrong (it was). But I decided that between me not loving the marv interaction, never having an explanation on him disbelieving marv's claim, AND Sandroba's actions D2, I was confident in WBG being scum. I didn't go "What is Sandroba doing I will do the opposite." It was an additional factor for me beyond my basic thoughts. We can discuss whether I'm a jubjub, or King in the Jub, postgame. Yes, some/all of you think what I did, if I actually took the course of action I did, was stupid. Fine. Stupid is on another axis. It makes my claim less believable than if you didn't think what I did was stupid, but votes iz fer scumminess and not stupidity. Heck, if you want to talk meta, and how I didn't go check on Sandroba or anything, go look at my blue games. (1) Message DT in Bureaucracy - I decide it's a good plan to look like a paranoid idiot early on in order to not be a threat to anyone and survive until lategame (Kind of a good idea? But definitely altering my play that whole game because of a role) (2) Mason in Can't Believe - Mason chat has bunch of discussion about when to claim, how to claim, etc. etc. Sciberbia and I got caught up in being blue, wasted a lot of time being idiots. Heck, I flipped mason and Sciberbia DIDN'T CLAIM to be my buddy, because we were so paranoid. (3) Vigi in...LVII? I think that's right. Two-shot vigi. Shoot someone N1. N2 what do I do? Hold my shot instead of dropping a lurker or anyone helpful to town, thinking, as I did here, that by using my powers later on I could potentially benefit town. Ended up dead. (4) Veteran in Looney Lynching - THIS ISN'T EVEN A POWER ROLE. I JUST DON'T DIE TO ONE SHOT. And yet i STILL concoct a stupid plan to give away votes at the end of D1, which I thought would make me look townie and draw a shot, but everyone else finds scummy. Then on the day I get lynched, I decide to be all mysterious and save my claim til the last moment hoping someone would figure things out and not even really understanding why some folks were voting for me. 2 times I've been blue I actively played differently than normal because of blue. The vigi game is the same logic as here, "Well, won't get the most of out my power NOW, because I can potentially get MORE out of it if I use it later too." Mason game is partially just us being idiots at some points in time because of blue. If you're going to think I'm scummy because I didn't do homework you would have done, you should at least do the same homework yourself. I appreciate that you don't think I'm an idiot, but here's a different question, do you think I'm an idiot when I'm blue?
Only one I crumbed in was mason in Can't Believe.
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I used to think your (2) was valid - that someone could find the other crumbs if mafia crumbed a bunch of stuff.
After looking for extra crumbs from folks, and after playing mafia-side once and spending the first 2 nights hunting from crumbs, I can tell you it's near impossible to find things like that if someone doesn't use a ridiculously simple crumb (first letter in each line, first letter of each sentence).
So many crumbs are like...the third letter of every third word, or the first letter of these posts I made, or stuff that you just can't SEE without checking every last post for every possible crumb, which you don't have time to do.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Can you pkease switch off austin??? Seriously he is town as fuck. Get over the fact that ge did not crumb and pkay the way you would play tracker.
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On December 07 2012 23:06 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 21:38 Xatalos wrote:Hmmm.... debears, debears... I'm having some trouble figuring him out. On the other hand, when I read his filter, he is basically commenting on anything he notices and generally seems like a genuine carefree townie. But on the other hand, his posts about austinmcc today strike me as weird. At first he wanted to lynch Sandroba based on some speculation, then he hesitated some more, finally coming to the conclusion that he wanted to lynch austinmcc after all. This would fit with Mafia reluctantly bussing his teammate when left no other option. But then I keep coming back to this post. On December 02 2012 09:05 debears wrote:On December 02 2012 09:03 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 09:03 debears wrote:
Because its different in a way scum would not know surely if your PM is different from a townflip, that wouldn't help? i'm missing something here Actually nvm. I think we should save it for lylo It could be helpful. EVERYONE WHO IS TOWN. LOOK AT YOUR ROLE PM COMPARED TO MARV'S AND THE ONE REVEALED TO BE DP'S DON'T REVEAL IF IT'S DIFFERENT YET. WAIT UNTIL LYLO IF NEED BE THEN REVEAL I just don't see Mafia posting something like this (or some other posts of his either). I'm starting to get a bit paranoid about the differently highlighted PM's myself, and I wonder if debears actually knows something about this that he's going to save until LYLO. Maybe some special role? Or special PM? Then again, why is debears so confident that he's going to live until LYLO anyway? Could that be a scumslip? Ugh... This setup is the weirdest one I've ever played, that's for sure. Maybe I can't be lynched wifomwifomwifom
WIFOM OVERWHELMING
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On December 08 2012 01:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Can you pkease switch off austin??? Seriously he is town as fuck. Get over the fact that ge did not crumb and pkay the way you would play tracker.
Hm. I have to say that austinmcc's defense today has felt townish. But it would mean that Sandroba is Mafia and you+austinmcc are pretty much confirmed town. And I have quite a hard time believing that the remaining Mafia would be something like Sandroba+debears+Lazermonkey/debears instead of austinmcc+ShiaoPi+Lazermonkey/debears.
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EBWOP: Sandroba+debears+Lazermonkey
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I'm leaning on austinmcc+ShiaoPi+Lazermonkey making the most sense right now. Although austinmcc has played relatively townish (except some things like not reacting to the supposed redcheck, lack of breadcrumbs, etcetc)... And I don't really see debears as Mafia at this point, but he'd have to be Mafia if austinmcc was town.
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On December 08 2012 01:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 01:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Can you pkease switch off austin??? Seriously he is town as fuck. Get over the fact that ge did not crumb and pkay the way you would play tracker. Hm. I have to say that austinmcc's defense today has felt townish. But it would mean that Sandroba is Mafia and you+austinmcc are pretty much confirmed town. And I have quite a hard time believing that the remaining Mafia would be something like Sandroba+debears+Lazermonkey/debears instead of austinmcc+ShiaoPi+Lazermonkey/debears.
It doesn't mean ShiaoPi is town.
Whether I get lynched or get NKed, scum has to keep playing. It's likely that at least 1 remaining scum has outed himself today in how he's voting for me and talking about me/Sandroba.
ShiaoPi is a mafia candidate for most folks at this point, and they've had this entire cycle to plan how they want to play things out. IF he's mafia, one of the better things he could do today would be to defend me, knowing that I'll flip town, sandroba will flip scum tomorrow, and maybe he looks a little better for it (being attacked by Sandroba, defending me).
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On December 08 2012 01:46 Xatalos wrote:
I'm leaning on austinmcc+ShiaoPi+Lazermonkey making the most sense right now. Although austinmcc has played relatively townish (except some things like not reacting to the supposed redcheck, lack of breadcrumbs, etcetc)... And I don't really see debears as Mafia at this point, but he'd have to be Mafia if austinmcc was town.
I didn't "not react" to my watch.
I reacted, but in a way that nobody likes. I decided to be sneaky, but don't seem to have done that well, and didn't get anything for it really.
And no, I didn't crumb. But I generally haven't crumbed my roles, and I didn't crumb when I found a message in Bureaucracy, and didn't crumb when I shot someone in LVII.
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Day 3 Votecount
austinmcc (7) < --- Gonna get lynched
Xatalos
Blazinghand
sandroba
Lazermonkey
debears
Keirathi
MrZentor
sandroba (2)
austinmcc
ShiaoPi
~6 hours until deadline~
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On December 08 2012 01:41 Xatalos wrote:
EBWOP: Sandroba+debears+Lazermonkey
I was gonna say if I was 2 of the mafia members by myself I would be impressed
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Austin, you requested my analysis of Sandroba yesterday, so here it is.
I get slight scum vibes from some parts of his filter. Like the post I mentioned earlier or the fact that he basically went ''Austin scum KKTHXBAI'' when you claimed kill check on him. I also think his filter is WAY too small given the time this game has taken. About 60% of his posts are in fact one liners. While posting very little can just be a trait of a lazy town, I still don't like it.
Yes, I must agree with that Sandroba has far from convinced me that he is town. In fact, had it not been for your claim, he might've been my second or third scum read for today. But given that you and him CANNOT have the same alignment(at least you cannot both be town and I'm okay with lynching you if he is bussing you nonetheless...), I simply think It's far more likely for you to be scum than for him to be.
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On December 07 2012 23:55 austinmcc wrote:If you are voting me, you are placing you vote with lazermonkey's. Lazermonkey who said N2 he hadn't done much analysis on Sandroba, and had problems with one of Sand's posts coming from town - + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 07:59 Lazermonkey wrote:Sandroba - I haven't done very much analysis on him either. However one of his posts earlier today caught my attention a bit. Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 21:28 sandroba wrote:
wow. you guys. really. you make me sad.
Remember that Sandrobawas not present during the lynch. Not even close, He basically went afk about 12 hours before it. Also, he doesn't actually comment on anything regarding the lynch. Just that it's bad. Saying stuff like this risk to demoralize town. So why would someone as town say this? I really don't see the motivation for it. Not really lych worthy but still. I will look more closely into sandroba later. Lazermonkey who drops a vote on me. Lazermonkey who admits that he hasn't looked at Sandroba (despite voting to lynch me), but will have lots of time today! + Show Spoiler +On December 07 2012 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Regarding Sandroba, no I haven't looked into him. As a matter of fact, I haven't looked into anyone today because I was really busy IRL. Will probebly be able to do that tomorrow. I did have a slight scum read on him, yes. But I didn't feel like pushing his lynch would be very beneficial because my scum reads on other players were much stronger. This is the company you're keeping. I'm not sure what your point is. This basically all boils down to that I was suspcious of Sandroba and yet I am voting you but guess what? You cannot both be town and I find you more likely to be scum.
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On December 08 2012 01:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Can you pkease switch off austin??? Seriously he is town as fuck. Get over the fact that ge did not crumb and pkay the way you would play tracker. I get the impression that ShiaoPi has in fact given up trying to convince us that his town instead trying to convince us that he is too stupid to be scum...
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