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On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote:
This Keirathi guy is mafia.
Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far.
There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on.
this.... feels pretty silly to me
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On November 22 2012 07:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
snb, I beg you, just read the whole thread and then join us in current discussion, rather than 12-hour-ago-discussion
oh, I just noticed it.
okay, I guess I can do that.
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On November 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:24 phagga wrote:
I have the feeling that your post is sincere, but I'm not sure. If this is indeed how you are feeling, then you shouldn't be doing this, qtpie. However, there is the possibility that you are just setting yourself up to make excuses later on. I doubt it, but I don't want to dismiss that thought yet. what potential excuses do you think that post might lead to? I will quite happily discuss it with you now so you can hold me accountable to it later.
I don't know. I think.
I was just pretty surprised by this, normally people announce stuff like that before the game starts, and not in the middle of D1.
It will at least give you a good excuse why your meta might be off.
Look, honestly, I don't know what you could abuse it for. I just don't like it. I read it for the first time, scrolled down to the next post, then stopped and went back and read it again. It just feels... wrong. But I cannot really give you a good reason why.
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On November 22 2012 07:13 phagga wrote:
Acrofales, if you are around, i would still like to know why you do not consider Kita a serious candidate.
I dunno. I never consider Kita serious in the first place. I liked his posts this game, but then I kinda forgot about him. If he were to make an impact on the game then I could certainly see him as a serious contender. However he is also a risky candidate, because I don't find him easy to read at all.
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Thanks. I look forward to your thoughts. =]
The list of people who are not answering questions asked to them is growing, and it's rather infuriating.
Guess I'm gonna go look at some filters and then head to bed. Will be around for a bit longer.
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On November 22 2012 07:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Bio please answer Acro's question. Please expand on your townread on marv.
Would you like me to state for the third time why? I said, I agree with his stance on what we should be doing in regards to the Party Election. I agree with his stance on CJ looking back through CJ's filter. I wanted to have 3 people whom I believed to be town in my party, based on early play, so there it is. It's based on him being in my top 3 town reads at the moment.
Why is it not ok for marv to be one of my town reads this early, when it's ok for you to sheep him?
On November 22 2012 01:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am sheeping marv. I believe that whether marv is town or scum, the way he plays scum from what I've read is he tries to lie as little as possible. I think consolidating at the moment is important so people can stop focusing on townreads and focus on scumreads, and I don't have time to read 3-4 games of every player that is being nominated if I still want to contribute today.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
If I'm such an obvious towny, why haven't y'all expressed it with your votes? There's still enough time to vote me your party leader ^^
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On November 22 2012 07:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:13 phagga wrote:
Acrofales, if you are around, i would still like to know why you do not consider Kita a serious candidate. I dunno. I never consider Kita serious in the first place. I liked his posts this game, but then I kinda forgot about him. If he were to make an impact on the game then I could certainly see him as a serious contender. However he is also a risky candidate, because I don't find him easy to read at all.
Kita is practically ruling himself out of the running by having such long stretches without posting. As he notes himself it's similar to a mayoral election and you need your mayor being around and interacting with town, which he is failing to do.
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Holy cripes 25 pages to catch up on TT
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On November 22 2012 07:40 Dienosore wrote:
If I'm such an obvious towny, why haven't y'all expressed it with your votes? There's still enough time to vote me your party leader ^^
You aren't obvious. I just can't find a scum tell/reason for your posts right now. Plus I don't really trust your townreads either for that matter.
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On November 22 2012 07:40 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Bio please answer Acro's question. Please expand on your townread on marv. Would you like me to state for the third time why? I said, I agree with his stance on what we should be doing in regards to the Party Election. I agree with his stance on CJ looking back through CJ's filter. I wanted to have 3 people whom I believed to be town in my party, based on early play, so there it is. It's based on him being in my top 3 town reads at the moment.Why is it not ok for marv to be one of my town reads this early, when it's ok for you to sheep him? Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am sheeping marv. I believe that whether marv is town or scum, the way he plays scum from what I've read is he tries to lie as little as possible. I think consolidating at the moment is important so people can stop focusing on townreads and focus on scumreads, and I don't have time to read 3-4 games of every player that is being nominated if I still want to contribute today.
Because in my sheeping I reasoned that even sheeping a scum marv on that issue would be fine. It says it right there, after the part you bolded.
It's fine if marv is one of your town reads, but I don't like/understand your reasoning. The only thing you mention is that he has the same view on how to handle party creation as you, but I don't think there are many people who disagree with that... so why marv?
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As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around.
If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader.
Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game.
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On November 22 2012 01:11 kushm4sta wrote:
I actually don't care at all who is elected leader. I just said that shit before about making the scummiest leader because I wanted to contribute something unique.
okay i know i said i would stop doing this
but i am actually laughing out loud right now
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On November 22 2012 07:40 Dienosore wrote:
If I'm such an obvious towny, why haven't y'all expressed it with your votes? There's still enough time to vote me your party leader ^^
I don't think you're obvious town at all. In my first game I rolled scum (GoT mafia). The first thing Chaoser (experienced player on the scumteam) did, was coach us noobs (there were actually three of us) on what kind of things to say.
I don't find it in any way weird that this could happen in this game as well... and while I, personally, would not coach noobie scum to play the noobie card quite so openly, I could definitely imagine some players in this game advise that playstyle. It is rather easy to pull off and has everybody fooled off the bat.
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Sidetrack: in GoT mafia, Chaoser's coaching/plan backfired horribly and it was a miracle that we managed to talk our way out of the trainwreck that was the first few hours.
Your recent posts have been better, but I don't have you labeled green yet, let alone obviously green.
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I'm off to bed, see you guys tomorrow.
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On November 22 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote:
As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around.
If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader.
Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game.
I swear to god if this gains traction I'm going to be pissed.
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On November 22 2012 02:45 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:39 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:38 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game. Excellent, more wanting to kill people for reasons that aren't that they are scum. New and fluffy != scum (to use your construction) and we want to kill scum, dear. Anything else? No point killing scum if you can't kill Lavos What's that got to do with being new and fluffy? New and fluffy are harder to read and likely to make mistakes. If they prove themselves to be town and competent somehow: Wonderful. However if they fail to do that they need to go down before the end game. So far I don't ever see the dinosaur changing and so he's on my needs to die list. Before you call me an easy target again I am including myself in the needs to die before end game list since I'm smurfing.
fuck
i was really happy that i was gonna get to play a themed game without drazerk in it
but no
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On November 22 2012 07:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:40 BioSC wrote:On November 22 2012 07:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Bio please answer Acro's question. Please expand on your townread on marv. Would you like me to state for the third time why? I said, I agree with his stance on what we should be doing in regards to the Party Election. I agree with his stance on CJ looking back through CJ's filter. I wanted to have 3 people whom I believed to be town in my party, based on early play, so there it is. It's based on him being in my top 3 town reads at the moment.Why is it not ok for marv to be one of my town reads this early, when it's ok for you to sheep him? On November 22 2012 01:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am sheeping marv. I believe that whether marv is town or scum, the way he plays scum from what I've read is he tries to lie as little as possible. I think consolidating at the moment is important so people can stop focusing on townreads and focus on scumreads, and I don't have time to read 3-4 games of every player that is being nominated if I still want to contribute today. Because in my sheeping I reasoned that even sheeping a scum marv on that issue would be fine. It says it right there, after the part you bolded. It's fine if marv is one of your town reads, but I don't like/understand your reasoning. The only thing you mention is that he has the same view on how to handle party creation as you, but I don't think there are many people who disagree with that... so why marv?
I agree with Clarity here. Having a town read on marv isn't a bad thing, but your reasoning to justify that town read were extremely weak, and something scum marv is certainly capable of (and definitely WOULD be) doing. ANd it feels like your just picked out the vets, and came up with some kind of justification of why they could be town, rather than you actually believing that they are town.
And its weird to me that you endorsed sandro as leader, when his plan was for him to be leader and then select 3 "newbies" of whom he was certain they were town, rather than vets, in an attempt to save the vets. But, in your ideal party, you would be taking all vets.
Also, marv, why are you being so cavalier about a town read on yourself for some arguably terrible reasoning? Maybe I'm biased because I'm suspicious as fuck of anyone calling me town for reasons that I don't believe are strong enough to actually make that assessment, but your reaction toward it was...lacking, imo.
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On November 22 2012 07:54 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:45 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:39 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:38 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
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Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game. Excellent, more wanting to kill people for reasons that aren't that they are scum. New and fluffy != scum (to use your construction) and we want to kill scum, dear. Anything else? No point killing scum if you can't kill Lavos What's that got to do with being new and fluffy? New and fluffy are harder to read and likely to make mistakes. If they prove themselves to be town and competent somehow: Wonderful. However if they fail to do that they need to go down before the end game. So far I don't ever see the dinosaur changing and so he's on my needs to die list. Before you call me an easy target again I am including myself in the needs to die before end game list since I'm smurfing. fuck i was really happy that i was gonna get to play a themed game without drazerk in it but no
Great minds think alike?
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Well he said he wanted Bio to explain properly first, so I guess we're waiting on that.
On November 22 2012 07:00 iamperfection wrote:
well marv you said you can see how he could give you a town read on that.
Could you explain that a little better
On November 22 2012 07:03 marvellosity wrote:
no, iamp, you can wait for Bio to answer himself.
Which seems reasonable to me.
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