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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 22:00 GMT
#961
Do you believe that with your current posts in this game anyone should logically have a townread on you?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 21 2012 22:00 GMT
#962
On November 22 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 06:46 iamperfection wrote:
@ Marv

What do you think of bios town read on you. I think it is bs and it seems like to me it was a pre calculated move to come into the thread with. I dont see how anyone can drop a strong town read and i can see you easily saying that quote in his post regardless of alignment

Bios post also doesn't say much at all just that he doesn't have a problem what is going on.

Im thinking scum


You've played way more games with me than Bio, though, who's played with me... once maybe? And certainly not for a long time.

The fashionable read on marvelbabe is that I'm hard to read day 1, and he didn't go with that so meh. I can see how if you're not familiar with my play that he could see what I said there as a towntell anyways.

I'd like Bio to say some shizzle on the more controversial topics, like his opinions on Cave/Denisore for example.

Clarity - Cave is still bad or scum or both, and the important thing is that he doesn't get invited on today's event.

I wouldn't really call Cave & Denisore controversial.
Anyone actually have a townread on them? Denisore might just be daft but when Cave posted about Syllos withdrawal I almost swapped my vote to syllo that instant.

I'm starting to wonder if syllo might be a safer vote then sandroba. Or I'm just getting paranoid because sandroba haven't posted in a while.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2012 22:00 GMT
#963
of course, i'm blates town.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 21 2012 22:00 GMT
#964
well marv you said you can see how he could give you a town read on that.

Could you explain that a little better
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2012 22:02 GMT
#965
risk: you've kinda answered your own point.

It is possible to have a townread or otherwise on Denisore and you said yourself one of the controversial things about Cave there. I was prodding him to talk about something.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2012 22:03 GMT
#966
no, iamp, you can wait for Bio to answer himself.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
November 21 2012 22:03 GMT
#967
On November 22 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 06:46 iamperfection wrote:
@ Marv

What do you think of bios town read on you. I think it is bs and it seems like to me it was a pre calculated move to come into the thread with. I dont see how anyone can drop a strong town read and i can see you easily saying that quote in his post regardless of alignment

Bios post also doesn't say much at all just that he doesn't have a problem what is going on.

Im thinking scum


Clarity - Cave is still bad or scum or both, and the important thing is that he doesn't get invited on today's event.


Read my first post and pretty much the last page and a bit of discussion...

Anyway I'm gonna sleep I'll probably cast my vote in the morning after I sleep on a few things.
Mafia smurf
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 21 2012 22:04 GMT
#968
Some reads:

- Dienosore: I could very well imagine that he is 3rd party. If not, then town. do not think he is scum, as I cannot imagine scum to enter the thread the way he did. However, I oppose having him on the party.

- Goodkarma: I will have to go through his filter again (not in the next 10 hours though), but my gut currently says that he is talking too much about the importance of townhunting. I have him in my mind as "looks like he is contributing but is not really helping town". Do not want him on the party.

- CaveJohnson: willing to sacrifice players regardless of their alignement? 3rd Party at least, scum at worst.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 21 2012 22:07 GMT
#969
cavejohnson is probably just stupid
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
November 21 2012 22:07 GMT
#970
CaveJohnson - Was doing fine up until his idea to kill off inexperienced townies.

On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:
On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:
On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange*

Can I have a legend for your color scheme?


orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain".

Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too.


Easy target != wrong

Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better.


obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on.

Easy target as in he's new and fluffy.

Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum.


The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game.


IDK, but I feel like killing townies, no matter how bad they are, is a scum agenda/SK agenda.

As for Dino-Man, I've got nothing. My gut tells me town, but its a light shade of green.
Bio - Breaking it down
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 21 2012 22:11 GMT
#971
On November 21 2012 22:28 marvellosity wrote:
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On November 21 2012 21:42 kitaman27 wrote:
There are quite a few people who claim to be voting for sandroba on the basis that they claim to be able to easily differentiate his scum play from his town play. The only reason I see this as the case is that he commonly gets lazy and stops caring or posting as mafia. However, that's simply due to personal choice. How many people here other than maybe syllo are confidant they can identify a scum sandro when he remains active? Having played with him in pypi (an election game), I know he is quite capable of fooling most people when there is something he wants.

I'm quite puzzled by the fact that marv hasn't run for election. As being one of the most active players recently, I think he would be fairly confident at being able to gain support for himself. As town, I know I want to be the leader because that is the only way to directly increase our chances of success. marv however appears to want to avoid the spotlight and participate in an advising role or at least gauge the support he has. Could you explain this decision?

Work time. I'll try to start identifying some town players when I get back if I'm confident enough.


I'm not interested at running for party leader atm. And it's not about gauging support, I'd probably just tell town to vote for me from the get go if I wanted it.

Why don't I want it? Like syllo I've been hoping to be somewhat 'lazy'. While I will give this game my full attention like any other, partly I've come along for the ride. I don't want to dominate this game (for better or worse) like I'm capable of doing.

Plus I don't feel very at home in themed setups like this. There are going to be some differences in how scum/town players act compared to normal setups, and I don't know what they are yet.

There are a few players in this game who I hold in extremely high regard (I think are better than me) and in that situation I feel somewhat insecure. If those players weren't in the game I'm pretty sure I would be standing for party leader because I'd think I knew best out of everyone playing, but I don't think that in this game.


This post really bothers me. It's hard to grasp what exactly disturbs me. Let's try.

What if those players you hold in high regards are all scum or 3rd party? I mean, in a game where there are several vets it would be even more important that as many strong town members as possible try to lead town. If all just hope that the next vet will do it, scum can fuck us over even harder considering the lineup.

i really do not like how you are stealing yourself out of the responsibility here. This is a perfect setup for later to find excuses. And if you are town, it is probably not helping town.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 21 2012 22:13 GMT
#972
Acrofales, if you are around, i would still like to know why you do not consider Kita a serious candidate.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2012 22:15 GMT
#973
Disturbs you in a "grr, that's scummy" way, or a "you shouldn't be doing this qtpie" way?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 22:17 GMT
#974
Bio please answer Acro's question. Please expand on your townread on marv.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 21 2012 22:22 GMT
#975
On November 21 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 14:05 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:51 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:31 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote:
1) "I'm not going to vote marv unless I have a town read on him."
2) "I'm going to vote someone unless he's giving me a 'scummy vibe.'"

Those two statements mean very different things. The first expresses reservation - that you're not going to vote someone UNLESS you have a town read on them. The second expresses no hesitancy - that you're vote is determined unless marv shows you otherwise.

Okay, I guess I see what you're getting at. Just poor wording on my part, I guess. But really, there is no "neutral" ground for me when it comes to marv. Either I believe that he is town, or he is giving off scummy vibes that give me pause.


I still don't understand this. This implies that you would never be unsure about your read on marv - on D1 of all days.

Part of me has a really hard time believing that this is the same Kei as in GSL III - the one who was uber reluctant and helpless on D1 to make a read on anyone in the game.

It doesn't imply that I would never be unsure of my read on marv at all. I'm much more likely to be paranoid towards marv when he says something fishy (aka 'scummy vibes') than I am for someone like kush, because I know town kush can say really stupid things (no offense kush <3).

And, if you remember, day 1 in GSL 3 was a nightmare for me IRL. I had a ton of family shit going on, and I was playing 90% of the game from my phone, which meant I wasn't able to go filter diving, or even devote very much time to the game. I'm not averse to making comfortable day 1 reads, but I generally make them really conservatively. Conservative reads + no time to play meant I was useless.


Oh you're totes right on GSL III - completely forgot.

Well I still don't understand the marv thing, but I don't think it makes you scummy.

And that is my cue to hit the sack - gnite!


hapa still not happening for me
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 21 2012 22:24 GMT
#976
I have the feeling that your post is sincere, but I'm not sure. If this is indeed how you are feeling, then you shouldn't be doing this, qtpie. However, there is the possibility that you are just setting yourself up to make excuses later on. I doubt it, but I don't want to dismiss that thought yet.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 21 2012 22:25 GMT
#977
On November 21 2012 14:27 Dienosore wrote:
Look at it this way:

I have no idea who any of you are, and none of you know me. Therefore, I can't abuse any preconceived notions or reads you have on me because they just dont exist. If I'm elected the leader, I promise to publicly consider every move before it happens. I will try to do so in such a manner that hopefully leaves no sour taste in anyones mouth.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

campaign poster lol


wow this guy

I just don't know what to make of this

I mean I guess iamperfection is right, what noobly scum player would do this? But... this just makes no sense so hard.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 22:26 GMT
#978
snb, I beg you, just read the whole thread and then join us in current discussion, rather than 12-hour-ago-discussion
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2012 22:29 GMT
#979
On November 22 2012 07:24 phagga wrote:
I have the feeling that your post is sincere, but I'm not sure. If this is indeed how you are feeling, then you shouldn't be doing this, qtpie. However, there is the possibility that you are just setting yourself up to make excuses later on. I doubt it, but I don't want to dismiss that thought yet.


what potential excuses do you think that post might lead to?

I will quite happily discuss it with you now so you can hold me accountable to it later.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 21 2012 22:30 GMT
#980
yeah snb, I agree with clarity. It's cute that you try to take a stance on every subject (no matter how dead that topic is by now), but you could probably use your scarce time more productively. This way it seems you abuse the thread as your personal notebook.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
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