I'm trying to figure out what part of your stuff this game I don't believe. I know some of it is likely true, other bits false. Haven't checked Drazerk and Kita's full filters yet after looking through yours, but will work on that this evening.

Yeah, I'm not accusing you of anything specific there, because...I don't know what to accuse you of yet. But you make it out like you did town this big favor by claiming where you'd used your actions so "you guys" can "solve the game." When in all likelihood, that's crap. A lot/all(?) your actions were in thread already, so you weren't handing down divine information that nobody knew. And you refuse to answer questions that town wants answered.

I don't think anyone is buying what you're selling, but I don't like that you're trying to sell it anyway.

3 of the 7 actions I performed were in the thread. I admit that 3 of my other actions had no impact on the game, but the damage + jail on Toad needed claiming if there is any hope of scumhunting by finding incongruous actions.

I fail to see why claiming my rolename and secondary wincon help town at all. You suspect me of lying anyway. Why will claiming magically confirm me as town-friendly? I have said I am town-friendly. I have acted town-friendly. Me talking about me helps absolutely nobody catch scummers. So read my filter by all means, conclude that me being on a scumteam with Toad and SnB would be mindbogglingly stupid. Conclude that me claiming to not want to be on a party as scum would be mindbogglingly stupid. Keep your suspicions about my ulterior motives (I don't see how my claiming would help you with those anyway), but get to scumhunting.

CaveJohnson

278 Posts

December 05 2012 20:17 GMT

#6523

So do I have to campaign for prehistory again?

Acrofales

Spain18263 Posts

December 05 2012 20:33 GMT

#6524

On December 06 2012 03:46 austinmcc wrote:

Show nested quote +

I call it counterattack because that's basically what it does, but it doesn't require the same cycle, and it's not actually "Counterattack". If I use that ability, it just looks at the last point at which I was dealt damage, and then splits my damage between all players who dealt me damage at that point. Until I'm damaged otherwise, you'd be eating the full 300 if you're being truthful about being the sole source of damage on me that night, as I haven't been hit since then.

So.. austin has a shitload of KP with pretty much no condition except era?

How does this match up with other town claimed abilities:

1. H1 can do less damage per shot and only if he hits himself first.
2. GK can do half the damage per shot and it takes 3 days to charge.
3. Hapa can do lots of damage (more than Austin), but is more likely to hit townies with most of it, even if his initial shot hits scum.
4. Adam has to play NK roulette in order to get a shot which does LESS damage.

Or even scum claimed abilities:

1. Sandro can do 200 damage, spread out over 4 days.
2. SnB can hit for 250 damage, once per player per game and only if they are dumb enough to roleclaim.
3. Toad can do 100 damage per night (probably most similar in total amount of damage)

There are only two abilities that can even approach that amount of damage:

Drazerk's claimed EMP, which is almost certainly a lie and definitely a lie in how much damage it does.
Kush's 1-shot dayvig. However, this is balanced by being 1-shot and having a risk of suiciding (although only if you use it as a complete derp like he did).

I am having a hard time wrapping my head around giving town this amount of KP, which seems to top what scum can do.

Acrofales

Spain18263 Posts

December 05 2012 20:33 GMT

#6525

And yes, I know that it cannot be a scum ability. I am just wondering whether it can be an ability at all.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 05 2012 20:38 GMT

#6526

There's still the unresolved question regarding Prom taking less damage than I shot him for (I hit for 75 and he claimed 25). I don't think he is mafia, but that suggests that there is a mafia (or Drazerk) ability that messed with the damage.

CaveJohnson

278 Posts

December 05 2012 20:46 GMT

#6527

All my abilities are one shot or I would just keep spamming levitation every cycle Syllo

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 05 2012 20:48 GMT

#6528

Sigh I guess Austin is mafia, there is no way he would have used shielding every cycle over healing if he is town

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 05 2012 20:50 GMT

#6529

I mean he claims using shield n2 on keirathi even though Dienosore took 445 damage n1

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 05 2012 20:52 GMT

#6530

And then he used a hp check in dienosore on n4, how is that reasonable

Acrofales

Spain18263 Posts

December 05 2012 20:58 GMT

#6531

On November 21 2012 14:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Djodref

I've never played with sandroba nor am I familiar with his meta. There are a lot of people here that are though (lots of vets), so I'm taking an overall town perspective. This is an assumption of course, but I think it's a fair one.

Is this inline with Zbo's reasoning as town? He is willing to vote Sandro blindly on the assertion that "there are people who can figure Sandro out". Anybody familiar enough with Zbo's meta to tell me whether this is normal?

Acrofales

Spain18263 Posts

December 05 2012 21:00 GMT

#6532

On December 06 2012 05:50 syllogism wrote:
I mean he claims using shield n2 on keirathi even though Dienosore took 445 damage n1

Also, Keirathi took 75 damage in cycle 4, same as GK and I, which I assume is linked to being in a failed party.

Of course, this evidence is inconclusive, because we don't know whether he took damage cycle 2 or 3 that was blocked by the shield. However, it'd have to be exactly 75 damage to show up as it did.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 05 2012 21:02 GMT

#6533

I've to say it's a really stupid claim to make if he is mafia (don't blame him though, I would want this to end by this point as well), but still as a town aligned player you would absolutely love to "confirm" your actions by healing players instead of using a shield. None of his actions so far are actually confirmable and healing is strictly better than shielding.

It's a cry for help, maybe we should lynch him today.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

December 05 2012 21:06 GMT

#6534

On December 06 2012 06:02 syllogism wrote:
I've to say it's a really stupid claim to make if he is mafia (don't blame him though, I would want this to end by this point as well), but still as a town aligned player you would absolutely love to "confirm" your actions by healing players instead of using a shield. None of his actions so far are actually confirmable and healing is strictly better than shielding.

It's a cry for help, maybe we should lynch him today.

I shall sheep unto this and that'll be that. This game has been really interesting and fun, but 4 scum are dead and the game feels like it's dragging on right now.

Anyone have a timetravel preference?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

December 05 2012 21:10 GMT

#6535

Idunno. I'm pretty convinced that risk is scum, but if there's a second one lurking about, it's probably austin/Z-Bo. Austin going off on Acro is completely nonsensical at this point.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

December 05 2012 21:11 GMT

#6536

I think if there are two more scum left risk is probably the second but syllo is right, claiming those abilities and which ones he used is just..... claiming scum.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

December 05 2012 21:14 GMT

#6537

no, it is claiming dumb and if zbo couldn't commit enough time to the game I could see him playing dumb. Those are bad moves by scum or town. stupid =/= scum.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 05 2012 21:15 GMT

#6538

I don't think he can actually heal. We can just lynch risk today and ask him to heal someone who isn't being healed by anyone else.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 05 2012 21:16 GMT

#6539

Hi. I've claimed to be able to shoot someone for 300 damage. If you think that's too much, fine. We can go to one of the time periods in which I've got that ability and I can shoot someone for 300 damage. ta da. Unless I take damage tonight or Adam is lying, it'll do 300 damage to Adam, Adam can say "Oh wow, I just took 300 damage." It's a pretty provable thing. Heck, if you really want to prove it, if there's anyone with random KP remaining they can shoot me this cycle (not too much) and I can fire back when we're in one of the right time periods. I won't know who shot me, it will hit them, they can confirm, ta da. You may find it hard to believe, but I can't aim it and it requires me to take damage AND still be alive the next cycle, AND it's era-specific. However hard you find it to believe, the fact remains that it's 100% testable if you'd like. I've chosen NOT to fire it off the one cycle it was available to me since joining.

As to Z-Boson's actions, I can't give you anything there. Can't tell you why he targeted who he targeted when, but I'm assuming the later cycles he just wasn't around.