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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 05 2012 21:57 GMT
#6561
On December 06 2012 06:48 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
On December 06 2012 06:37 Acrofales wrote:
I just read Zbo's filter and it is completely inconclusive. He has accused pretty much everybody of being scum for rather terrible reasons. Now he may really be trying to figure people out, pressuring them with long cases and reacting to their response, or he could be scum making bad cases on people in order to look townie.

There are some posts that just don't sit right with me, but it could be the problem of English as a second language.

His vote for Sandro D1 is not really indicative of alignment. His reasoning for the vote might be, but depends on meta. He never hopped off, but scum could easily have hopped off: Sandro wasn't getting elected.

His vote for Toad on D2 is also not indicative of alignment. He spends most of the day tunneling TC and never leaves off his scum read, however it was clear that TC was not going to be lynched. Choices were basically Sandro and Toad and a non-Sandro vote is consistent with his D1 behaviour.

After the lynch he makes a couple of posts accusing various people of being scum, but his activity drops off and he never follows up with actions. I will have to look at VE and SnB's filters to see if there's any associative tells, but Zbo's filter doesn't give me much to work with.

At the moment I am liking the test. Austin healing H1 seems like a pretty good idea. H1 is an unlikely target for other protection and I think he's probably town. Lets see if he can get that heal.

Back to deciding between CJ and risk which one is worse.

CJ will always be bad. Risk could be useful, he just isn't right now.

I find that rather offensive considering I'm one of the only reasons why we even got a lynch this cycle.

Let's pretend that this was both verifiable and true. What era will give us another lynch? Unless you know something we don't, you're talking out of your ass like you always do.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 05 2012 22:03 GMT
#6562
@Acro
Given that I have more than 1 HP (i.e. a little more difficult to kill), are you still against me getting the potential heal from austin? I'll claim my current HP before the deadline if it helps.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18263 Posts
December 05 2012 22:06 GMT
#6563
Other than that, either SnB was in on the distancing the crap out of GK or GK is town. SnB's filter gives very little away about scum we don't yet know about.

He does not mention Zbo/austin or risk.nuke at all.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18263 Posts
December 05 2012 22:07 GMT
#6564
On December 06 2012 07:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
@Acro
Given that I have more than 1 HP (i.e. a little more difficult to kill), are you still against me getting the potential heal from austin? I'll claim my current HP before the deadline if it helps.

If you feel scum would have to put significant effort into killing you, then I think you're a good target for healing by austin.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 05 2012 22:13 GMT
#6565
If austin truly shielded me last cycle, I took 525 damage which seems rather absurd given that there was only one or two mafia still alive. Even during the early cycles mafia never inflicted this much damage and they had S&B's 250 damage hit at their disposal. Difficult to explain how they could have achieved that unless risk is mafia or a third party or two participated in the attack. I guess it's possible that they had double actions due to time period bonus or some ability. Lynch occurs before other actions are processed, so S&B definitely didn't use his action on me.
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
December 05 2012 22:15 GMT
#6566
On December 06 2012 06:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 06:48 CaveJohnson wrote:
On December 06 2012 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
On December 06 2012 06:37 Acrofales wrote:
I just read Zbo's filter and it is completely inconclusive. He has accused pretty much everybody of being scum for rather terrible reasons. Now he may really be trying to figure people out, pressuring them with long cases and reacting to their response, or he could be scum making bad cases on people in order to look townie.

There are some posts that just don't sit right with me, but it could be the problem of English as a second language.

His vote for Sandro D1 is not really indicative of alignment. His reasoning for the vote might be, but depends on meta. He never hopped off, but scum could easily have hopped off: Sandro wasn't getting elected.

His vote for Toad on D2 is also not indicative of alignment. He spends most of the day tunneling TC and never leaves off his scum read, however it was clear that TC was not going to be lynched. Choices were basically Sandro and Toad and a non-Sandro vote is consistent with his D1 behaviour.

After the lynch he makes a couple of posts accusing various people of being scum, but his activity drops off and he never follows up with actions. I will have to look at VE and SnB's filters to see if there's any associative tells, but Zbo's filter doesn't give me much to work with.

At the moment I am liking the test. Austin healing H1 seems like a pretty good idea. H1 is an unlikely target for other protection and I think he's probably town. Lets see if he can get that heal.

Back to deciding between CJ and risk which one is worse.

CJ will always be bad. Risk could be useful, he just isn't right now.

I find that rather offensive considering I'm one of the only reasons why we even got a lynch this cycle.

Let's pretend that this was both verifiable and true. What era will give us another lynch? Unless you know something we don't, you're talking out of your ass like you always do.


We will prove this post game or next cycle when it isn't a lynch.

The nos -

65,000,000 BC (Changed my mind since we have unfinished business but doesn't impact the story)
600 AD (SO MANY MONSTERS)

The Maybes -

2300 AD (Should have the plants in the domes this time IIRC)
12,000 BC (While dangerous we probably need to go there to weaken Lavos and actually win the game and I can guarantee a success with a Chipotle ham sandwhich with pancakes as bread drizzled with syrup)
End Of Time (Yeah I've argued this enough)
Mafia smurf
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 05 2012 22:17 GMT
#6567
On December 06 2012 07:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 07:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
@Acro
Given that I have more than 1 HP (i.e. a little more difficult to kill), are you still against me getting the potential heal from austin? I'll claim my current HP before the deadline if it helps.

If you feel scum would have to put significant effort into killing you, then I think you're a good target for healing by austin.

Okay well the ball's in austin's court anyways.

@austin
This era's ability is already locked in as a heal/shield right? If we went to EoT, you would NOT end up using an HP check, correct?
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 05 2012 22:24 GMT
#6568
On December 06 2012 07:13 syllogism wrote:
If austin truly shielded me last cycle, I took 525 damage which seems rather absurd given that there was only one or two mafia still alive. Even during the early cycles mafia never inflicted this much damage and they had S&B's 250 damage hit at their disposal. Difficult to explain how they could have achieved that unless risk is mafia or a third party or two participated in the attack. I guess it's possible that they had double actions due to time period bonus or some ability. Lynch occurs before other actions are processed, so S&B definitely didn't use his action on me.
I didn't shield you last cycle. Last cycle was antiquity, and I can only use my counterattack thing in that era. Last cycle I did nothing.


On December 06 2012 07:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 07:07 Acrofales wrote:
On December 06 2012 07:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
@Acro
Given that I have more than 1 HP (i.e. a little more difficult to kill), are you still against me getting the potential heal from austin? I'll claim my current HP before the deadline if it helps.

If you feel scum would have to put significant effort into killing you, then I think you're a good target for healing by austin.

Okay well the ball's in austin's court anyways.

@austin
This era's ability is already locked in as a heal/shield right? If we went to EoT, you would NOT end up using an HP check, correct?
This era is heal or shield. As long as we stay in 600 or 1000, that's what I have.
Fe fi fo fum.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
December 05 2012 22:31 GMT
#6569
how much of heal is it austin if you don't mind?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 05 2012 22:33 GMT
#6570
On December 06 2012 07:31 iamperfection wrote:
how much of heal is it austin if you don't mind?

150 heal or 75 shield. Its in the thread bud.
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 06 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote:
I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up.
  • While in 2300 AD or 12,000 BC I can counterattack anyone who dealt damage to me.
300 damage to the last person that dealt damage to me.
If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them.
  • While in 600 AD or 1000 AD I can heal/shield
150 HP heal or 75 HP shield.
  • While in 65,000,000 BC or End of Time, I can find out a target's current hp



Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me.

Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him.

One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed.

iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
December 05 2012 22:35 GMT
#6571
austin your stronger than me why is that?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 05 2012 22:39 GMT
#6572
On December 06 2012 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
austin your stronger than me why is that?
(1) awwww, you're gonna make me blush
(2) do you even lift, bro?
(3) I don't know, you'd have to ask Grey (I assume he won't answer)

Best guess would be that I can only heal in 2/6 of eras. And if we fight lavos in 1999, then I apparently can't heal or shield or anything during that event, if it's multicycle and only in 1999.
Fe fi fo fum.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 05 2012 22:39 GMT
#6573
He's era limited...have you read his ability properly or are you just basing this on the heal?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
December 05 2012 22:44 GMT
#6574
On December 06 2012 07:39 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
austin your stronger than me why is that?
(1) awwww, you're gonna make me blush
(2) do you even lift, bro?
(3) I don't know, you'd have to ask Grey (I assume he won't answer)

Best guess would be that I can only heal in 2/6 of eras. And if we fight lavos in 1999, then I apparently can't heal or shield or anything during that event, if it's multicycle and only in 1999.

i would say overall your character is stronger than mine which i find surprising unless your a main character or well your scum.

you dont really have any drawbacks like me except the era limitations but really that just changers your role to other pretty good stuff.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
December 05 2012 22:45 GMT
#6575
you have drawbacks?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
December 05 2012 22:45 GMT
#6576
On December 06 2012 07:45 Promethelax wrote:
you have drawbacks?

i dont
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
December 05 2012 22:47 GMT
#6577
oh, okay, I was misreading your post I guess.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 05 2012 22:50 GMT
#6578
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 03 2012 09:15 GreYMisT wrote:
ABILITY GET!

[image loading]



Upon arriving in 12,000 BC, you find a broken down machine labeled the "Epoch". You are not sure, but it looks like you can use this to travel through time. It should be repaired soon, so you better vote where you want to go!





You may now travel through time as a town. You may visit the following periods: 65,000,000 BC (Prehistory), 12,000 BC (antiquity), 600 AD (Middle Ages), 1000 AD (Present), 2300 AD (future), or the End of time. Vote in the voting thread with ##Epoch: <Time Period> (you may use the short names or the actual Year, with a preference for the short names).

You will vote on a new place to travel to each cycle.

It is now cycle 7, A counter on the dashboard of the Epoch reads Mandatory return to 1999 AD - Cycle 12

On December 05 2012 09:14 Mementoss wrote:
Gods have trouble counting? Lavos will appear cycle 11


Confirming Cycle 11 - return to 1999AD?
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 05 2012 22:51 GMT
#6579
Yes, that post had the wrong number because counting is stupid
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
December 05 2012 22:51 GMT
#6580
On December 06 2012 07:47 Promethelax wrote:
oh, okay, I was misreading your post I guess.

i was saying like me, he also doesn't have any drawbacks.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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